i think diouf is the top diver..
but ronaldo's dive in last game is unacceptable
Discussion who's dive the most?, EPL players who dive the most in game
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I'm surprised Robbie Savage was mentioned. I'll have to go with Diouf as he has already admitted to diving when it is in his best interest to do so.
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i would say dive is part of the game nowaday...
1 day later u will c 1 of the best footballer in the world dive oso js like rivaldo..he likes to act n oso he like to dive many players did dive in the past js tat we never focus on this my 2cent |
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If you dive with style or realistically, does that count as a dive in the eyes of the referee and the spectators? Who knows right?
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In many leagues, diving is considered gamesmanship. It's sad to see this happening in the EPL though because the English game is known to be hard but fair. More and more pansies are coming into the league and fearing injury, choose to dive rather than soldier on like real men. I suppose there is nothing wrong in 'cheating' the referee if you can live with yourself. Nowadays it's rare to hear the commentator go, "you know that if he stays down, it's got to be bad" as too many players not only dive but feign injury.
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i kinda agree with the idea to use video replay to assist refree even it might damage the colours of football but i can't stand to see the divers nowadays.
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I don't think this is a good post. How do you count the times a player dives? Unless there is some sort of official statistics, otherwise we can only rely on our own calculations (which is probably inaccurate and biased).
Besides, how do you classify diving? Falling down without contact? Falling down over the slightest contact? Falling down because of a purposely trailing leg?  |
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c.ronaldo gets my vote...no doubt
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i think diving here can be assume as trying to get a free kick or penalty and at the same time would damage the opponent when they received a card while they shouldn't.
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Dec 4 2006, 02:44 PM
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yea i agree that we cant count mathematically how many times a player dives.... but after diouf publicly said he do dive to esrn freekicks n penalties my vote goes for him...
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Dec 4 2006, 02:45 PM
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Arjen Robben for me
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I enjoy football matches and to be honest, dive spice up a match. Well perhaps video replay help referee made better accurate judgement but it certainly make football become predictable. I remember in early days how minor team manage to hold and upset giants with a little bit of trick.
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QUOTE(seydee @ Dec 4 2006, 02:52 PM) I enjoy football matches and to be honest, dive spice up a match. Well perhaps video replay help referee made better accurate judgement but it certainly make football become predictable. I remember in early days how minor team manage to hold and upset giants with a little bit of trick. its just not spice up the match but its also now becoming part of football.. sometimes u need to 'cheat' to win sumting.. do u think one player is tough enough if evrytime he got the ball, all the opponent want to screw him up?No offence but I'm speaking from neutral spectator point of view.  |
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Dec 4 2006, 03:15 PM
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So sad coz Arjen Robben is not on the list.. waaaa
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I really hope that those divin' cheatin' bastad get their legs broken..
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Dec 4 2006, 02:39 PM) I don't think this is a good post. How do you count the times a player dives? Unless there is some sort of official statistics, otherwise we can only rely on our own calculations (which is probably inaccurate and biased). Quoted for the truth.Besides, how do you classify diving? Falling down without contact? Falling down over the slightest contact? Falling down because of a purposely trailing leg? Vote goes to Diouf because he said it himself. |
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QUOTE(creap @ Dec 4 2006, 03:44 PM) Quoted for the truth. I vote for C Ronaldo. He is the best diver at the moment .... he didn't need to admit it coz everyone knows about it. For Diouf in admitting the dive - it is a ploy to topple C Ronaldo from the DK title .... Dive King. Vote goes to Diouf because he said it himself.  |
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Dive Dive Dive! hmm whats their managers think about their diving players? will they go "ah i dint see the incident"
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the thread title state for who dive the most, not the best diver
so it should be drogba for me |
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Dec 4 2006, 04:12 PM
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pires would be the all time diving legend but at the moment should be between diouf and ronaldo
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Dec 4 2006, 04:33 PM
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Well, currently, Crissy Ronaldo is the Master Diver
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Dec 4 2006, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Dec 4 2006, 04:33 PM) Well, currently, Crissy Ronaldo is the Master Diver seems like u have problem with c.ronaldo at the moment? hmm, let me ask u one question, the team that u are 'currently' supporting.. do they have their own 'diver'?  |
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Dec 4 2006, 04:53 PM
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You can't blame a person for giving an opinion based on the topic of the thread.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 4 2006, 04:53 PM) You can't blame a person for giving an opinion based on the topic of the thread. i dont blame him...  but seems like he have some personal problem with ronaldo ATM.. so, can i stood up to defend 'my' PLAYER?  |
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Dec 4 2006, 04:58 PM
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Of course you can defend your player if they aren't guilty. It helps if you give a reason lah otherwise it will end up like this:
you : "he does not dive!" him : "he dives!" How to argue lah like that? |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 4 2006, 04:58 PM) Of course you can defend your player if they aren't guilty. It helps if you give a reason lah otherwise it will end up like this: hmm.. thats y im asking him a question.. you : "he does not dive!" him : "he dives!" How to argue lah like that?  |
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For me Drogba is the main character of diving where playing the higest role to get Academy Award and also Golden Horses Awards to win as the best actor of the years!! Lolz
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QUOTE(@rissband @ Dec 4 2006, 05:03 PM) hmm.. thats y im asking him a question.. I'm replying to you because I'm having a conversation with you lah, it doesn't mean I'm referring to you alone. |
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who else, bro Diouf la
 . btw interesting news from yahoo:QUOTE LONDON (Reuters) - Fourth division club Torquay United said on Tuesday they will start taking disciplinary action against any of their players who dive or feign injury. Torquay, who believe they are the first professional club in the world to begin such an initiative, will operate a "three strikes and out" policy and use video technology to prove cases. First time offenders will be warned, players who dive again will be fined and third time offenders sacked or placed on the transfer list. "British football has the opportunity to take a lead in resolving this major issue which is tarnishing our sport and marred the World Cup finals in Germany 2006," Torquay chairman Chris Roberts said in a statement. Source  |
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Dec 4 2006, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Dec 4 2006, 04:33 PM) Well, currently, Crissy Ronaldo is the Master Diver What do you based that on? Only on one game? Got any evidence? Penalty decision, he stumble... should blame the ref for giving it. 2nd one againts Boateng, Ronaldo jumped to avoid him, then they collide... foul lah brader. heh. He didn't go look for a foul, but Boateng left his leg there, not his job to try and avoid it.Robben, Drogba.. forgot Gerrard. Sheffield, and Bolton. Look in EPL issues thread for the gif. This post has been edited by Wan: Dec 4 2006, 05:27 PM |
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Dec 4 2006, 05:29 PM
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gua punya vote goes to diouf ,eh why i see garcia's name there? he hardly play a EPL games
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Dec 4 2006, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(Wan @ Dec 4 2006, 05:26 PM) Robben, Drogba.. forgot Gerrard. You really think it's fair to compare Gerrard with the other names that have been mentioned here? Has he dived? yes. Does he do it frequently? no. If I drink a couple of beers, does that make me an alcoholic? Not saying he never dived, just trying to put some perspective into your argument.Sheffield, and Bolton. Look in EPL issues thread for the gif. The topic is "who dives the most?" and not "who has ever dived" This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 4 2006, 05:36 PM |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 4 2006, 05:34 PM) You really think it's fair to compare Gerrard with the other names that have been mentioned here? Has he dived? yes. Does he do it frequently? no. If I drink a couple of beers, does that make me an alcoholic? Not saying he never dived, just trying to put some perspective into your argument. hehehe.. now its time u r defending ur player rite? The topic is "who dives the most?" and not "who has ever dived" hmm, now maybe we both can ask zimhibikie what his problem with ronaldo ATM? This post has been edited by @rissband: Dec 4 2006, 05:40 PM |
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I'm just responding in line with the title of the thread
If the title was "who ever dived", I myself will name Gerrard ler. I support the club first and the player second. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 4 2006, 05:41 PM |
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QUOTE(@rissband @ Dec 4 2006, 05:39 PM) hehehe.. now its time u r defending ur player rite? brother u obviously trying to make up flame war in this thread.so who you vote for?what's your problem with the player?why you vote that player? hmm, now maybe we both can ask zimhibikie what his problem with ronaldo ATM? |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 4 2006, 05:34 PM) You really think it's fair to compare Gerrard with the other names that have been mentioned here? Has he dived? yes. Does he do it frequently? no. If I drink a couple of beers, does that make me an alcoholic? Not saying he never dived, just trying to put some perspective into your argument. Ahem, he does it a lot of times, but got no coverage because he plays for Liverpool and he's English. The topic is "who dives the most?" and not "who has ever dived" I didn't say he dive the most, need to explain myself better next time I guess. Sorry yah. Those people who compile every single stats(almost.. fantasy league stuff) should really count those things. Make it easier for everyone to argue. |
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It's almost impossible to keep with the statistics. There is no smoke without fire though and if a pundit, managers or players labels someone a diver, there must be some degree of truth to it. Aside from you, I don't know anyone who has labeled Gerrard as one
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Dec 4 2006, 05:53 PM
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Let's just all solve this argument by agreeing that all goalkeepers dive the most.
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Liverpool LEGEND got my vote
El Hadji Diouf..he's known as a DIVER since he was in Liverpool..who else can get freekicks, corners and penalties...he even knows how to feign injury..damn that guy, me and my Reds friends really hated him  |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 4 2006, 05:53 PM) Let's just all solve this argument by agreeing that all goalkeepers dive the most.  not to not mention,handball the most,shout the most,spitting the most..worse player on the field |
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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Dec 4 2006, 05:55 PM) Liverpool LEGEND got my vote Eh ptooi ptooi! He's not a Liverpool legend, we hate him as well! El Hadji Diouf..he's known as a DIVER since he was in Liverpool..who else can get freekicks, corners and penalties...he even knows how to feign injury..damn that guy, me and my Reds friends really hated him |
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QUOTE(akRia @ Dec 4 2006, 05:43 PM) brother u obviously trying to make up flame war in this thread.so who you vote for?what's your problem with the player?why you vote that player? im just being sarcastic with duke red only.. im voting for diouf, i have no problem with him.. why im voting? aiseh man.. u dun read his statment ke? p/s: i know that u read that statement ok.. |
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Dec 4 2006, 06:00 PM
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I don't have the stats, but I read* about it a lot...
*From other mans forums... so take it for what it is. GKs? CR has really clean those stuff a lot. He 'may' have done it before a lot, but since last season managed to really clean himself up... but then he get to gather with the other Portuguese players in June-July, and then came back to us with all those extra baggage usually. But so far this season he's clean. Almost. |
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Dec 4 2006, 06:21 PM
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I'll go to Ronaldo. MU players always get penalty by dive.
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Dec 4 2006, 06:24 PM
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The survey didn't mention 'Who dive the most in EPL Season 2005/2006 minus WorldCup2006, minus FA Cup, minus League Cup,minus Friendlies and minus diving into swimmimg pool or scuba outings'.
don't get carried away with all these ... but it will great if somebody did count and has the statistics of the divers. then we know who is the most and the best DK. great info as can get points in Yahoo Fantasy league for getting a foul. |
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Dec 4 2006, 06:25 PM
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the more frequent divers in the list of names i would say c ronaldo and diouf
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Dec 4 2006, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Dec 4 2006, 03:15 PM) So sad coz Arjen Robben is not on the list.. waaaa i shud have vote for didier dogba |
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Dec 4 2006, 06:49 PM
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Dive the most?
I'll go for Van Der Sar, Petr Cech, Jens Lehmann, Jose Reina, etc. Good divers I'd say! |
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Dec 4 2006, 06:49 PM
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who else but pires from the crybabies?
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Dec 4 2006, 06:50 PM
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Robben's name should be there.
What he did against liverpool last season is shameful. Even babies wont fall down when touch on the face. |
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QUOTE(fr4g*st3r @ Dec 4 2006, 06:49 PM) Dive the most? hahaaha I'll go for Van Der Sar, Petr Cech, Jens Lehmann, Jose Reina, etc. Good divers I'd say! diving saves huh hahaha |
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Dec 4 2006, 06:52 PM
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crybabies refers to which team may i ask?
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Dec 4 2006, 08:21 PM
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I voted for winker!
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Dec 4 2006, 08:26 PM
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too bad only EPL, if not I will vote for Pipo Inzaghi! master of diving..but in EPL, the undisputed king of kings in diving will be non other than Diouf!
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Dec 4 2006, 08:31 PM
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drogba gets my vote, though ronaldo is also gettin itchy nowadays
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Dec 4 2006, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(emmeir @ Dec 4 2006, 06:21 PM) I'll go to Ronaldo. MU players always get penalty by dive. pls b responsible to wat u saiddon ever think it is the forum then u can simply say anything  ronaldo is the best united player so far this season he improves alot..smtm he is just trying to escape from hard tackle n choose to jump but sadly he count not manage to balance himself js like the match against boro he tried to escape schwazer blocking but ending up fall down n he never claimed anything the penalty is given by referee..no doubt but sm ppl sharpen their eye when they watch ronaldo c whether he dives...izit ronaldo don hv the right to fall down?? i cant find any meaning of this topic... This post has been edited by ryanso85: Dec 4 2006, 08:34 PM |
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^ Chill... I understand where all the fury is coming from. Once a player is notorious, people will start to make accusations without thinking. C.Ronaldo used to dive, yes, no doubt about that. This season it is apparent that he has cut down on theatrical falls, and that is something worthy. However, he still 'falls' down quite easily and even MU fans have to admit that.
I'm not helping anyone here. Even Arsenal players have the tendency to 'fall down" easily. Pires always got the slack ever since he 'tripped' against Pompey to earn that equalising penalty. Everytime Pires was fouled, everyone called him a diver. Same case goes for C.Ronaldo I suppose. This season we have seen Robin van Persie going down easily especially in the box. I too hate the fact that he does that, but well as long as he doesn't repeat it, I'm still ok. Point is... This topic is easily turned into flame baits. Just take every post with a pinch of salt and we can avoid unnecessary arguements. |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:12 PM
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I smell flame coming...I'll call 994...
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Dec 4 2006, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(mxxuang @ Dec 4 2006, 09:12 PM) I smell flame coming...I'll call 994... yeah AND fanboyism  |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:23 PM
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was surprise about luis garcia too !!
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Dec 4 2006, 09:38 PM
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Different angles make different points of view.
Divers' around the corner and it's depends on the officials. p/s : I vote for c.ronaldo |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:39 PM
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diouf....and robin van persie and ronaldo (sadly)
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QUOTE(mxxuang @ Dec 4 2006, 09:12 PM) I smell flame coming...I'll call 994... *puts on blue tinted glasses and awaits the call of chelsea supporters*damn this thread sucks, everyone dives.......period |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:40 PM
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For me.. my vote goes to Others and the player is Robben.....
Drogba doesn't dive but always pretend as he got knocked by a hammer on his head.... Ronaldo does fall down easily at times but he is improving much alot now but I won't defend for his diving too but to me it was old story... and i know the last match.. maybe he dived.. but maybe not.. anyway... juz let it be. football is round u get things against u and things that benefit u at times but this is just football... -peace- This post has been edited by davidlow7: Dec 4 2006, 09:49 PM |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(emmeir @ Dec 4 2006, 06:21 PM) I'll go to Ronaldo. MU players always get penalty by dive. what is that suppose to mean? what team u come from? |
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Dec 4 2006, 10:02 PM
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Cristiano Ronaldo got my vote too
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Dec 4 2006, 10:16 PM
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Didier Drogba ??
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Dec 4 2006, 10:25 PM
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----> diouf!
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Dec 4 2006, 10:25 PM
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no one can beat rivaldo.
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Dec 4 2006, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Dec 4 2006, 11:25 PM) no one can beat rivaldo. I disagree, he doesn't play EPL......Period. Agree with me? |
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Dec 4 2006, 11:06 PM
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how can u disagree with smart*$$ mr kcng? he predicts rivaldo will come to epl one day. so u cant beat him. there. he prolly predicts hes mu gonna win epl this season as well.
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Dec 4 2006, 11:09 PM
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i smell flaming and fanboyism here. close this thread. it's useless. almost every single player will dive if he get the chances.
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Dec 4 2006, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Dec 4 2006, 10:25 PM) no one can beat rivaldo. You obviously haven't seen Pippo Inzaghi in action Period. Agree with me? |
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i didnt agree c.ron is the most diver in the game...he hardly dive when the opponent tackles but not hit him. eventhough im one of his fan, i did admit that he DID dive in every game when the opponents tackle and HIT his leg,but not the most.
we all can see other players who really dive the most in every game.act like as if he's been hit by a bulldozer.but when the ref give the decision for him,he woke up happily and say no need to bring the physio in.huurrmm,what was for that. every player did dive during the game. but who's the best actor in diving, that's another story. i think the question should be, "Which player act the most after he dive from a tackle?". |
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Dec 5 2006, 12:26 AM
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stop the flame and can close tis thread..we all LYN ppl..
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Dec 5 2006, 12:27 AM
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i have voted the legendary ex-liverpool spitter
i still confuse why garcia is on the list  , i would have voted him if this thread is about who give ball away the most |
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Dec 5 2006, 12:59 AM
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I vote to close this thread. The thread title is redundant and flame-baiting. Its like that thread that was opened a while ago, "What order do you think the teams will be at the end of the season?"
All the Man Utd fans voted Man Utd, Chelsea fans voted Chelsea, etc etc. No proper justification. Its opinion based, just like this topic. The Man Utd fans are gona call for the heads of drogba, robben.... Chelsea fans are gona call for the head of Ronaldo, Arsenal are gona call for the head of Gerrard, and Liverpool are gona call for the heads of Thierry Henry etc etc. Its a ridiculous thread topic, and I sincerely hope that the thread starter has a better imagination for thread topics, and FORESEE the consequences of creating such a topic. Im all for organised and civilised conversations and deliberations about football, its rules, its strategy and even the players. But such a title would only cause unrest as everyone points a finger at the other. I vote for a closure of the thread. Simple. |
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Dec 5 2006, 01:01 AM
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yaa.. close this thread.. how abt we talk abt the divers in our 'own' thread? heheh..
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Dec 5 2006, 03:17 AM
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man utd fan pissed cause c.ron have the highest percentage |
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Dec 5 2006, 03:28 AM
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ROFLMAO funny thread. Can't believe Luis Garcia is in the list.
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Dec 5 2006, 03:51 AM
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most continental player in EPL can made into the list but only a handful standout of the pack cause their stature.
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Dec 5 2006, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(Halfhearted04 @ Dec 5 2006, 03:17 AM) man utd fan pissed cause c.ron have the highest percentage Its a valid statement that the topic and the poll is non-productive. I havent even voted on the poll, so i havent even seen the percentage. Use at least SOME of the common sense that you've been blessed with. A topic like this would get ppl fired up and resulting in a X number of days suspension. Is that even necessary ? Then again, this is only my opinion. Proceed with the debating and the flame-throwing if you will Why not start a thread abt the rate of foreign takeovers and how it would affect the league and eventually the game. Dont you think thats a better topic to start on? |
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Dec 5 2006, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(aboogee @ Dec 5 2006, 12:05 PM) You think Man Utd fans would get pissed over a stupid poll which is in a malaysian forum? We're not skimpy minded like yourself. i dun think so, this create another flame thread.Its a valid statement that the topic and the poll is non-productive. I havent even voted on the poll, so i havent even seen the percentage. Use at least SOME of the common sense that you've been blessed with. A topic like this would get ppl fired up and resulting in a X number of days suspension. Is that even necessary ? Then again, this is only my opinion. Proceed with the debating and the flame-throwing if you will Why not start a thread abt the rate of foreign takeovers and how it would affect the league and eventually the game. Dont you think thats a better topic to start on? i'm sure Manu, liv and arsenal fans sure will come to blast "Chelski use money to buy success", "Chelski use oil money", "Westham soon will become 2nd chelski" and etc... it's still the same old story |
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Dec 5 2006, 01:23 PM
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I agree with aboogee. This thread serves no purpose other than to create more tension between rival fans. If the topic was set up differently to discuss about diving maybe we would have a better discussion. And the topic u suggested is a good one as these takeovers will have a significant impact on the look of the English league in years to come.
But that is of course only if ppl actually contribute constructively rather than preferring to start flame wars. |
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Dec 5 2006, 01:56 PM
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LOL..I think arden roben dive the most..but i voted for ronaldo..coz he knows nothing about free kicking...
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Dec 5 2006, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 5 2006, 01:56 PM) LOL..I think arden roben dive the most..but i voted for ronaldo..coz he knows nothing about free kicking... What the hell does free kick have to do with diving? Anyways... who cares if Ronaldo is the diving king/ cheat king/ show pony etc etc... as long as MANCHESTER UNITED lift the EPL trophy come May, he can dive all the time if he wants to... its the referee that is making the decisions. Use cameras i'd say - i blame Sepp Blatter for this. This post has been edited by narutokun83: Dec 5 2006, 02:09 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Dec 5 2006, 01:23 PM) I agree with aboogee. This thread serves no purpose other than to create more tension between rival fans. If the topic was set up differently to discuss about diving maybe we would have a better discussion. And the topic u suggested is a good one as these takeovers will have a significant impact on the look of the English league in years to come. Some threads serve no purpose and will always invite flamings.. such as this thread but it is our duty as forumers not to start the flame here....But that is of course only if ppl actually contribute constructively rather than preferring to start flame wars. When thread asks us who dives the most.... yeah.. we just answer... and give reasons .. after that.. juz stated this is our 2 cents... so they can have theirs too and no flaming on each others after that that is just my own opinion.... people can have their own opinions and that is never our problems.... we just participate ourselves in discussion about our views on who dives the most... simple as that I guess.. This post has been edited by davidlow7: Dec 5 2006, 02:13 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(narutokun83 @ Dec 5 2006, 02:07 PM) What the hell does free kick have to do with diving? And how can u blame Sepp Blatter? Anyways... who cares if Ronaldo is the diving king/ cheat king/ show pony etc etc... as long as MANCHESTER UNITED lift the EPL trophy come May, he can dive all the time if he wants to... its the referee that is making the decisions. Use cameras i'd say - i blame Sepp Blatter for this. How long does it take u to decide whether a player dived when u watch replays? Now do u want refs to stop the game everytime there is a foul so that he can check whether the player dived? And even sometimes from videos u can't even tell whether he dived or not. So why don't u suggest how u would go about it instead of just plucking a name from your head to blame? This post has been edited by verx: Dec 5 2006, 02:16 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 02:25 PM
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therefore... diving will still continue to exist.
not stop every time there is a foul... like NFL - challenge the play, but you only get 4 chances. They (the NFL) knows that referees are human and can make mistakes and they did something about it. Since opposing managers can "spot" the diving from where they are standing... stop and have a look. Or they can take action after the game and ban the divers for the next game. the main point is to punish the divers. If not - threads like this will continue to pop up when ever player dive for penalty or free kicks. just my 2 cents anyways. This post has been edited by narutokun83: Dec 5 2006, 02:27 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(aboogee @ Dec 5 2006, 12:05 PM) Why not start a thread abt the rate of foreign takeovers and how it would affect the league and eventually the game. Dont you think thats a better topic to start on? I did in the EPL thread but no one seemed interested in discussing it. The best all time diver award has to go to Juergen Klinsmann. |
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Dec 5 2006, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 5 2006, 02:36 PM) I did in the EPL thread but no one seemed interested in discussing it. ha ! agreed... forgot about the man that made it an art form. Even his goal celebration is a mock of his dive.The best all time diver award has to go to Juergen Klinsmann. |
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Dec 5 2006, 04:28 PM
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Where's the topic starter? Why suddenly became quiet? Everybody's vote for closure of this thread. Why he didnt defend it or didnt explain whats the purpose of this thread?
Again,mod please close this thread sooner rather than later before everybody start to fire n flame each other. its just destroy the harmony of this forum! Edit: And I encourage all of Man Utd fans to stop replying this thread since it has no specific purpose and its just waste of time. Lets talk in our "own" forum! This post has been edited by naz: Dec 5 2006, 04:30 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(Halfhearted04 @ Dec 5 2006, 03:17 AM) man utd fan pissed cause c.ron have the highest percentage  |
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Dec 5 2006, 05:17 PM
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Robben dive more.
top diver in the world. then is drogba. terrible |
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Dec 5 2006, 05:59 PM
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Dec 5 2006, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(bubucaca @ Dec 5 2006, 06:17 PM) Robben dive more. Just a match they justified Ronaldo as diver but Drogba do it in everygames is not justified as diver and when Newcastle Boss make his statements on Drogba is liar,cheater and diver in last season, just u can watch wat he really doing. Ronaldo is a good dribbler so u can't said he is diver since 3 or more people go attack him. Drogba is diffrent, people taking the ball and he do it onto others people. which 1 is fair ???top diver in the world. then is drogba. terrible |
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Dec 5 2006, 09:43 PM
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edited: malas la...
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Dec 5 2006, 11:10 PM
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Gerrard doesn't dive alot but when he does it
Need more lessons from Ronaldo,Robben and etc....  |
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Dec 6 2006, 01:05 AM
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damn, no option to choose da first 3.
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Dec 6 2006, 02:25 AM
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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Dec 5 2006, 05:13 PM) i think others more piss to see man united top the table yeah,they sure piss off to see united top of the table when united only bought carrick and they bought a lot ,somemore we sold nistelrooyThis post has been edited by hazremi: Dec 6 2006, 02:25 AM |
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Dec 6 2006, 06:00 AM
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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Dec 5 2006, 05:13 PM) i think others more piss to see man united top the table LOL yeah! |
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Dec 6 2006, 07:32 AM
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Ronaldinho, I saw him pretending to fall to get a free kick... Poor Wiese...
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Dec 6 2006, 08:08 AM
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i surprice y dun hav arjen rubben....?
last season he dived so many times.... this season seldom not becoz he dun dived anymore.... but becoz he dun get the chance to play only..... |
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Dec 6 2006, 09:32 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo and Robben dive more often.
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Dec 6 2006, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Dec 5 2006, 11:10 PM) Gerrard doesn't dive alot but when he does it Need more lessons from Ronaldo,Robben and etc.... the thread title is "who dive the most" la,from the epl thread till here u keep posting the gif file for wat? iskk.... |
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Dec 6 2006, 10:30 AM
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There are two things wrong with this thread:
1) People who don't seem to grasp the thread topic. It doesn't have to be backed by statistics. No one can be expected to remember each dive made or have ratio's to back it up. Sometimes a players reputation precedes them and this is enough. As I've said before, there is no smoke without fire. 2) People who defend their players at all costs. How would we react to a Bolton Wanderers fan who claims Diouf doesn't dive? Some people may want to win at all costs even if it means they condone their players going for diving lessons but I personally do not. I love sports and I participate which is why I think cheating for whatever reason is totally against the spirit of sportsmanship. Call it gamesmanship, tactics or whatever, deceiving the officials is wrong in my books especially when the EPL is supposed to be all about fair play. |
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Dec 6 2006, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2006, 11:30 AM) There are two things wrong with this thread: yeah you're rite!! 1) People who don't seem to grasp the thread topic. It doesn't have to be backed by statistics. No one can be expected to remember each dive made or have ratio's to back it up. Sometimes a players reputation precedes them and this is enough. As I've said before, there is no smoke without fire. 2) People who defend their players at all costs. How would we react to a Bolton Wanderers fan who claims Diouf doesn't dive? Some people may want to win at all costs even if it means they condone their players going for diving lessons but I personally do not. I love sports and I participate which is why I think cheating for whatever reason is totally against the spirit of sportsmanship. Call it gamesmanship, tactics or whatever, deceiving the officials is wrong in my books especially when the EPL is supposed to be all about fair play.  |
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Dec 6 2006, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2006, 10:30 AM) There are two things wrong with this thread: thats why old footballer's say "Nowdays football there's no more Man football, all Fake football"1) People who don't seem to grasp the thread topic. It doesn't have to be backed by statistics. No one can be expected to remember each dive made or have ratio's to back it up. Sometimes a players reputation precedes them and this is enough. As I've said before, there is no smoke without fire. 2) People who defend their players at all costs. How would we react to a Bolton Wanderers fan who claims Diouf doesn't dive? Some people may want to win at all costs even if it means they condone their players going for diving lessons but I personally do not. I love sports and I participate which is why I think cheating for whatever reason is totally against the spirit of sportsmanship. Call it gamesmanship, tactics or whatever, deceiving the officials is wrong in my books especially when the EPL is supposed to be all about fair play. |
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Dec 6 2006, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(bubucaca @ Dec 6 2006, 11:05 AM) thats why old footballer's say "Nowdays football there's no more Man football, all Fake football" You're right. When I spoke with Phil Neal during his visit to KL, he told us stories of how tough the league was back then. Elbows where thrown all the time and players played on with fractures and small breaks. Nowadays, players want to come off having broke a fingernail. |
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Dec 6 2006, 11:28 AM
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Here is an article I read that is relevant to our discussion.
QUOTE Ronaldo acts the part well Please practice some objectivity before responding.10:41am 5th December 2006 by Des Kelly The only excuse is that ham acting must be in his blood. Such an elaborate tumble, such an intuitive trip, must happen through some involuntary instinct, just like blinking when you sneeze. Cristiano Ronaldo just sees a leg and he falls over, whether it has touched him or not. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised. After all, Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aviero, to give him his full moniker, was not dubbed 'Ronaldo' because of some romantic affinity with Brazilian football and the beautiful game. The name was chosen because his parents' favourite movie star was Ronald Reagan, the enduringly wooden actor and all-American Presidential plank. Reagan was once asked "How can an actor become President?" He replied: "How can a President not be an actor." And so it seems with football. These days, acting is so much a part of the game that we are almost growing weary of condemning it, preferring to excuse the professional tumblers, particularly if the simulation is convincing enough. Take Ronaldo's hop, skip and jump at Middlesbrough, a deceit that earned Manchester United a penalty as he pushed the ball past Mark Schwarzer. Rather than criticise him for this obvious bout of chicanery, a surprising number of commentators queued up to explain away the act. Alan Hansen came out with the most bizarre nonsense of all, claiming: "My sympathies were with Ronaldo, he was looking for the Middlesbrough keeper to hit him. Under the laws that a centre forward lives by, he was guilty of no crime." By this warped logic, players in different positions must be entitled to play to different regulations. Let's see how Hansen's Law might apply elsewhere? "Under the laws that a centre half lives by, he was guilty of no crime when he clattered straight through the striker from behind and left him on his backside with a broken ankle." For all the inane alibis and misplaced commiserations, most of us know Ronaldo did not stumble accidentally; he did not leap selflessly out of the way of an advancing goalkeeper; he did not helplessly fall to earth. The player dived, pure and simple. Yes, it was skilfully accomplished with all the twinkle-toed mastery that you might expect from the Premiership's best Riverdance impersonator, but it was still a blatant act of gamesmanship. As Schwarzer advanced, Ronaldo left his right leg trailing, inviting contact. The fact that the keeper missed by a foot or so did not deter him from completing his collapse to the turf. Here, United fans will complain their club are being victimised and that there would be less media scrutiny of the incident had Ronaldo not been involved. And they are right. That's the trouble, you see; it's Ronaldo again. "Something has to be done because it is happening with that lad too many times," said Boro manager Gareth Southgate. "It seems to be a handful of players at the centre of it." Correct. Ronaldo, Didier Drogba, Arjen Robben are among the repeat offenders and yet, despite the wealth of evidence and the endless howls of protest, it goes on. On his first day in office at the Football Association, the new chief executive Brian Barwick announced it was his intention to help cut out the plague of diving but, sincere as his intentions undoubtedly were, nothing official has been done. There is no panel in place to review incidents, no retrospective punishments issued for simulation. In fact, it has been the court of public and media opinion that has come down on the cheats. Mockery and abuse has made some of the worst offenders think twice about falling over as players realise how quickly a reputation can be gained and lost. But it is not enough. The great sadness is Ronaldo had been arguably the player of the season so far. Having been pilloried for his part in Wayne Rooney's World Cup dismissal and widely expected to flee to Real Madrid as a result, he had responded with real character and maturity, shedding his reputation as a novelty act who would look more at home in sequins and producing the kind of irresistible performances that marked him out as a potential Footballer of the Year. Until he went and fell flat on his face. |
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Dec 6 2006, 11:37 AM
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one reason why i feel that video evidence will be hard to implement is because how do u diffrentiate a dive and a trip or lost of balance. if a player dives but does not ask for a spot kick, does it still count? in his defence, he could have lost his balance but on the other hand, dive maybe? what say u?
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Dec 6 2006, 11:52 AM
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EPL banyak divers... =D Football is such a "clean" game
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Dec 6 2006, 12:22 PM
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actually i don really support video evidence,winning losing is part of the game,i accept diving/cheating as part of modern football,but well,not those fake dive from robben when a small touch from reina
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Dec 6 2006, 01:48 PM
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If there weren't so much controversy, we'll have nothing to talk about also ler.
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Dec 6 2006, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2006, 11:28 AM) Here is an article I read that is relevant to our discussion. That article forgot to include Steven Gerard as a repeat offender.Please practice some objectivity before responding. |
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Dec 6 2006, 01:52 PM
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Perhaps because he isn't. If he was, why isn't he labeled as a diver by any of the press. One or two instances don't sum up a man. Please try to reply with a certain degree of objectivity as mentioned before. I understand that most people don't take criticism well.
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Dec 6 2006, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2006, 01:52 PM) Perhaps because he isn't. If he was, why isn't he labeled as a diver by any of the press. One or two instances don't sum up a man. Please try to reply with a certain degree of objectivity as mentioned before. I understand that most people don't take criticism well. He happens to be Britain's master diver. Does it with such grace that most pundits close one eye when it comes to him. In fact, they're always applauding the penalties he wins. One or two instances? I think it's more than that when it comes to your captain.How many times has Ronaldo dived for penalties? Perhaps he had that nasty habit when he first came here but I think he's successfully cut it out of his game now. Perhaps the FA needs to offer him more protection, instead of criticizing him when he does go down. EDIT: I wouldn't really count on any tabloid over there as a source of diver statistics. The media likes to play favourites. This post has been edited by refnulf: Dec 6 2006, 01:59 PM |
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Dec 6 2006, 02:06 PM
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wtf garcia is inside the poll?
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Dec 6 2006, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(refnulf @ Dec 6 2006, 01:58 PM) He happens to be Britain's master diver. Does it with such grace that most pundits close one eye when it comes to him. In fact, they're always applauding the penalties he wins. Ok fine, so Ronaldo never dives and is constantly victimised while Stevie G is a habitual diver, happy now? Pundits and the media have no idea what they are talking about either. Makes me wonder why I even bother reading articles. The only reason you mentioned Stevie G is because I am a Liverpool fan and the article just happens to be on Ronaldo. Would you be happier if I were to dig up another article on Diouf perhaps? I only posted the article, because it was relevant to the topic but apparently articles are biased towards your team anyway so they don't matter. Why do all the big clubs claim they are being victimised? Next topic please.One or two instances? I think it's more than that when it comes to your captain.How many times has Ronaldo dived for penalties? Perhaps he had that nasty habit when he first came here but I think he's successfully cut it out of his game now. Perhaps the FA needs to offer him more protection, instead of criticizing him when he does go down. EDIT: I wouldn't really count on any tabloid over there as a source of diver statistics. The media likes to play favourites. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 6 2006, 02:09 PM |
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Dec 6 2006, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(akRia @ Dec 6 2006, 09:53 AM) the thread title is "who dive the most" la,from the epl thread till here u keep posting the gif file for wat? iskk.... |
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Dec 6 2006, 02:13 PM
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there's alot of divers in the EPL.. but when it comes to the highlighted ones.. its always Ronaldo or Robben.. btw.. I've seen Steven Gerrard dive not only one or twice.. loads of time.. its just that He's English.. they usually aim for Foreigners for Dive Blame..
My fren a liverpool fan also say Stevie G dives... but he's smart to cover up(my fren still wanna boast stevie G skill ler) even rooney dive loads of time.. but not much of a publicity since he's English.. Plus.. if ur team is on Form.. top of the table.. Sure people will find flaws in ur team to critisise... I noe i did last season.. This post has been edited by edthrax: Dec 6 2006, 02:19 PM |
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Dec 6 2006, 02:25 PM
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I myself agree that Stevie G has dived, I'm no hypocrite. What I don't like is when someone attacks a player of mine just because I posted an article that mentioned Ronaldo. Heck, it's not like I wrote the bloody article. It should at least open up a channel for discussion and not retaliation. I would not have got the some response had I been a Wigan fan, no? To make matters fair, why don't we add Stevie G to the pool then? I'm pretty sure that many players dive, but some make an art of it. Look at Juergen Klinsmann. He perfected the art of diving.
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Dec 6 2006, 02:27 PM
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Here is another article on diving except it mentions "BEST DIVES". Do not mistake this with BEST DIVERS please.
QUOTE The 10... Ctn'd...best football dives Sunday November 2, 2003 Observer Sport Monthly 1: Roberto Rojas Brazil v Chile, World Cup qualifier, 3 September 1989 Overrun and intimidated, Chile needed a way out. The plan: force an abandonment and a replay in a neutral venue. The execution: on 69 minutes, goalkeeper Rojas threw himself into the smoke of a firecracker, which had landed nearby, pulled a razor blade from his glove and stabbed himself in the head. The result: lots of blood, a mass brawl, a walkout, an abandonment - but, after video evidence, no replay. Instead, Brazil were awarded the game, Chile were out of one World Cup and excluded from the next, Rojas was banned for life and the woman who threw the firecracker was signed up by Playboy Brazil. In May 2001, Fifa lifted the ban. 'At 43, I'm unlikely to play again,' said Rojas, now coach at So Paulo, 'but at least this pardon will cleanse my soul.' 2: Jurgen Klinsmann West Germany v Argentina, World Cup Final, 8 July 1990 Germany had no answer to Argentina's solid, anti-football until Klinsmann collected the ball on the right and tried to go past Pedro Monzon. Monzon was lining something up - a tackle, perhaps even a foul - but before he'd had a chance, Klinsmann was soaring above him. Arcing through the air, he broke into three jarring, electric rolls. He'd done enough to see Monzon sent off - the first red card in a World Cup Final. Germany won with a penalty, awarded following a late Rudi Vller air trip. 3: Diego Simeone Argentina v England, World Cup, 30 June 1998 Before he was deified, David Beckham was a sack hanging from lamp posts. He owed his unpopularity to Diego Simeone, who, flicked by Becks's back heel in retaliation after a foul, toppled theatrically in this World Cup last-16 match in Saint-Etienne. 'I took advantage,' Simeone told OSM in May last year. 'I think anyone would have done so in just the same way.' Beckham was naturally unimpressed. 'Simeone went down as if he'd been shot,' he said. 'My first thought was, "I've made a big mistake here."' |
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Cnt'd
QUOTE 4: Robbie Savage I didn't write this article.Derby v Leicester, 15 September 2001 Robbie makes it so high in the list for sheer effort: a corrosive 90 minutes, a last-minute dive in the area, a hopeful look to the referee and a fist-pumping explosion in front of the home fans. Derby players chased him all the way to the corner flag, then tried to mug him in the tunnel afterwards. 'We've seen players for years who are very clever at diving for penalties,' said Derby boss Jim Smith. 'But he's not very clever and his penalties become riots. It's always him.' Robbie said: 'I've never dived in my career. I was blameless.' 5: Slaven Bilic Croatia v France, World Cup semi-final, 8 July 1998 Feeling the hairs on the back of Laurent Blanc's hand brush his cheek, Bilic went down, his hands covering his face. He stayed down until Blanc had been dismissed, which meant he was suspended for the World Cup Final. 'He only had himself to blame,' said Bilic. 'I am not a cheat, I am honest. I am not to blame. After all, he hit me in my face.' Bilic was condemned by the PFA, colleagues and fans across Europe, including his own in Croatia. 6: El-Hadji Diouf Senegal v Uruguay, World Cup, 11 June 2002 On his way round Uruguay keeper Fabian Carini, El-Hadji Diouf felt the keeper's breath on his shin. The gust blew him up, then down, then all over the penalty area. Replays confirmed no contact - as in, none at all - had been made. Later, Richard Morales did the same for Uruguay and the ref gave that, too. When he wasn't giving penalties, he was taking names: 12 players booked and Senegal through to the last 16. 'We'll keep playing to our strengths,' said Diouf. 'Above all, I feel proud.' 7: Francis Jeffers Arsenal v Liverpool, December 2002 'He's the biggest cheat in football,' said Peter Osgood. 'I'd love to see him get really hurt.' Jeffers's greatest moment in an Arsenal shirt, a last-gasp trip over a space where John Arne Riise's leg might have been but wasn't, earned Arsenal a penalty and a point. 'The referee was conned,' said Grard Houllier. 'I wouldn't be surprised if he practised diving in training,' said Ron 'Chopper' Harris. 'Since the foreigners came over here everyone's at it, even the English lads.' 'I'm not a conman or a diver,' said Franny, now back at Everton. 'I'm an honest player.' 8: Paul Alcock Sheffield Wednesday v Arsenal, 26 September 1998 Just before half-time, Patrick Vieira and Petter Rudi drew handbags, Paolo Di Canio kicked Martin Keown's shin and Paul Alcock sent the latter pair off. Di Canio reacted by pushing the referee, who staggered backwards several paces before splaying like a new-born foal. 'I gave him a shove, but it was hardly done with force,' said Paolo. 'He took sideways steps then fell over in a rather strange way - like someone acting for a penalty.' Di Canio was banned for 11 games and Alcock threatened to retire. 'I did not expect to be branded a psycho,' said Paolo. 9: Rivaldo Brazil v Turkey, World Cup, 3 June 2002 Hit in the leg by a football - always nasty - Rivaldo felt the pain searing in his face. Referee Yung Joo Kim, seeing him clutch his head, sent off the ball-kicker, Hakan Unsal. Fifa fined Rivaldo 5,180. 'I'm calm about the punishment, and I am not sorry about anything,' he told reporters. 'I was both the victim and the person who got fined. Obviously the ball didn't hit me in the face, but I was still the victim. I did not hit anyone in the face! Nobody remembers what that Turk did to me. I'm not a player who fakes fouls.' 10: Mark Hughes Manchester United v Montpellier, Cup Winners' Cup quarter-final, 6 March 1991 Millions watched as Mark Hughes was thrown backwards by the weight of a Pascal Baills air-butt. Uefa wouldn't allow Baills to use TV evidence to prove he hadn't made contact. Hughes was warned not to travel for the second leg by Montpellier president, Louis Nicollin. 'What Nicollin said is intimidation,' said Alex Ferguson. 'This is 1991. They can't get away with these things.' In the event, Hughes travelled; Jean-Manuel Thetis was booked for fouling him and sent off for spitting at him. United won 2-0. Rationale This month's 10 was selected by Observer football writer David Hills. Here he justifies his choice: So where's Ruud? Like Franny Lee, the game's first great English diver, Van Nistelrooy's effective dive-for-penalty/score-from-penalty routine knocks him way down the list. This list is about showmanship, about falling with an eye on the cameras. Among those to nearly make it were Italy's Alessandro Del Piero against England in 1997; Klinsmann for Monaco against Milan in the 1994 Champions League semi-final; Bernd Hlzenbein for Germany in the 1974 World Cup Final; Robert Pires for Arsenal against Portsmouth this season; and Peter Schmeichel, in 1993, knocked down by a Micky Quinn punch that missed. Quinn's red card was one of the first to be overturned on TV evidence. Other contenders included David Speedie, Cristiano Ronaldo, Hristo Stoichkov, David Ginola, Anders Limpar, Sasa Curcic, Vitor Baia, Maradona, Christian Panucci and Hakan Sukur, whose air sprawl against England in Turkey last month was genre-defining. Michael Owen, against Argentina in 1998, was ruled out for patriotic reasons. One other near miss: Ariel Ortega in the 1998 World Cup quarter-final. In the 88th minute, Ortega plunged over but missed Jaap Stam's leg; he was so incensed at being booked, instead of winning a penalty, that he head-butted keeper Edwin van der Sar, who, writhing in pain, threw himself to the ground. Ortega - out-dived and humiliated - was sent off. Roberto Rojas was the clear winner, however, not least because he inspired a copycat self-slashing from Esperance keeper Chokri el Ouaer in the 2000 African Champions League final. Chokri's attempt at self-knifing, though, was seen by all, including the officials. He was substituted and banned for a year. A more neutral one wouldn't you say given that they did mention Franny Jeffers and Michael Owen, both of whom are English. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 6 2006, 02:40 PM |
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Dec 6 2006, 02:31 PM
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Jurgen Klinsmann... Now thats a guy who deserve an Academy award...
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Dec 6 2006, 02:32 PM
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Simao is the famous diver n actor
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Dec 6 2006, 03:16 PM
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i hate players who dive and acting like the opponent had punch his face.. the opponent made a foot tackle but the player cover his face.
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Dec 6 2006, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(edthrax @ Dec 6 2006, 02:31 PM) Jurgen Klinsmann... Now thats a guy who deserve an Academy award... i thought rivaldo? lolbrazil turkey match is classic!~~ |
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Dec 6 2006, 05:50 PM
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erm..do we need to have this kind of thread?
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Dec 6 2006, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(zickey @ Dec 6 2006, 03:16 PM) i hate players who dive and acting like the opponent had punch his face.. the opponent made a foot tackle but the player cover his face. There you have it. The ever dirty Rivaldo. That was seriously the worst acting I've ever seen in football. |
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Dec 6 2006, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(fr4g*st3r @ Dec 6 2006, 06:48 PM) There you have it. The ever dirty Rivaldo. That was seriously the worst acting I've ever seen in football. second that,i just couldnt stop laughing on the referee when i watch that replay |
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Dec 6 2006, 07:53 PM
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WOW!!!
WHERE ARJEN ROBBEN?!?! |
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Dec 6 2006, 11:37 PM
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I told you guys
no one can beat rivaldo.... not even pires or ronaldo or gerrard or watever... hit in the leg, the face felt pain... and with 6 billion people watching... |
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Dec 7 2006, 12:46 AM
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he is pretty gud actor
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Dec 7 2006, 12:54 AM
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And he still managed to get away with it and the Turk fella got sent off.
The ref must be high on v!agra or something. TOTALLY A DISGRACE TO THE BEAUTIFUL GAME AND BRAZILIANS I'd say! This post has been edited by fr4g*st3r: Dec 7 2006, 12:55 AM |
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Dec 7 2006, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Dec 4 2006, 11:09 PM) i smell flaming and fanboyism here. close this thread. it's useless. almost every single player will dive if he get the chances. Shearer wont dive... |
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Dec 7 2006, 01:15 AM
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But he uses elbows - once in a while...
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Dec 7 2006, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Dec 7 2006, 01:08 AM) Shearer wont dive... diving header<---shearer's ultimate skill,consider dive?ahahaha..i remember once he diving head a goal and kepala pecah but yet still playing on the field.great player indeedThis post has been edited by akRia: Dec 7 2006, 01:23 AM |
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Dec 7 2006, 10:43 AM
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The article I posted is in today's NST if anyone thinks I fabricated it.
Rivaldo's act was disgraceful especially for a player of his quality but I can't remember him diving on any other occasion. Doesn't one have to be a repeat offender to be a diver? Maradona himself dived because he claimed that referees did not give him enough protection. There is a difference between him and players who dive to deceive referees to their advantage. If you are constantly hacked and chopped down, I suppose it's difficult to blame a player from going down too easily. If you do it out of desperation, then it's despicable. Win fair or don't win at all. |
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Dec 7 2006, 11:59 AM
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the article were based on the best dives, not the most. i personally think rivaldo performed the best dive i ever seen, even robben act against reina didnt come close to it
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Dec 7 2006, 11:29 PM
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rivaldo is the bomb.....
he did it at the right time.... in front of the whole world.... i support tv replays to help referee..... especially in this kind of situation... and the ref that sent off the turkey player deserved to be shot too... |
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Dec 8 2006, 02:43 AM
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i wonder why ref must give a penalty if he not totally sure there's contact or not between the players...
if it's critical decision such as penalty, first ref must 100% sure there's contact, & from that he must decide whether that incident merit a penalty or not... in ronaldo case, middlesboro keeper didnt touch him at all & i cant understand from where the ref got 100% sure there's contact.....if not sure, just dont give it.... it shows, ref always bias to big team...unlucky boro... |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:16 AM
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i cant believe diouf only got 20% votes
he's a self-admit diver la!!! |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:20 AM
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Personally I think Arjen Robben dive the most. Every time I see him on TV, he sure drop there, drop here. So, therefore Robben gets my vote!
Damn! No Robben in the poll!! |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(he-sham @ Dec 8 2006, 02:43 AM) i wonder why ref must give a penalty if he not totally sure there's contact or not between the players... You are right, the ref should not award pens based on guess work. However, we have to consider that the ref may have been certain it was a pen from his angle so to him, there was no doubt.if it's critical decision such as penalty, first ref must 100% sure there's contact, & from that he must decide whether that incident merit a penalty or not... in ronaldo case, middlesboro keeper didnt touch him at all & i cant understand from where the ref got 100% sure there's contact.....if not sure, just dont give it.... it shows, ref always bias to big team...unlucky boro... |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:32 AM
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dive-dive-wink
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Dec 8 2006, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2006, 02:08 PM) Ok fine, so Ronaldo never dives and is constantly victimised while Stevie G is a habitual diver, happy now? Pundits and the media have no idea what they are talking about either. Makes me wonder why I even bother reading articles. The only reason you mentioned Stevie G is because I am a Liverpool fan and the article just happens to be on Ronaldo. Would you be happier if I were to dig up another article on Diouf perhaps? I only posted the article, because it was relevant to the topic but apparently articles are biased towards your team anyway so they don't matter. Why do all the big clubs claim they are being victimised? Next topic please. Ronaldo did dive when he first came here but I believe that he's managed to cut that out of his game already. Even if he does go down easily, he's quick back on his feet and he's never asking for penalties unless he really thinks he was fouled. He does get kicked around alot though, hence me highlighting the fact that he needs more protection from the referees.Rooney is known to dive once in a while, not habitual but still known to do so from time to time. The Arsenal game comes to mind, not one of his proudest moments, but that was definitely a dive. The team did play well enough there, but a dive is a dive. |
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Dec 8 2006, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(refnulf @ Dec 8 2006, 10:34 AM) Ronaldo did dive when he first came here but I believe that he's managed to cut that out of his game already. Even if he does go down easily, he's quick back on his feet and he's never asking for penalties unless he really thinks he was fouled. He does get kicked around alot though, hence me highlighting the fact that he needs more protection from the referees. Well I don't watch as many of your games as you do obviously but Rooney never struck me as a diver. Must have been a couple of incidents I missed. Rooney is known to dive once in a while, not habitual but still known to do so from time to time. The Arsenal game comes to mind, not one of his proudest moments, but that was definitely a dive. The team did play well enough there, but a dive is a dive. If you read the article I posted, the author agreed that Ronaldo was beginning to clean up his act and has been playing quality football. This is why the incident against Middlesborough is being highlighted. No one wants to see him revert to diving again. Then again, it's just one incident, give it a few more games before anyone can judge him. |
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Dec 8 2006, 03:03 PM
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Andy Gray and his views on the issue of diving.
QUOTE Untwist Your Knickers Over Diving...[SIZE=7] Posted 07/12/06 14:28 I'm no Manchester United fan but I am a fan of football and I absolutely love the Premiership. And we're going to lose magnificent players like Cristiano Ronaldo from this league if we persist in McCarthy-style witch trials of footballers who dive. There is so much to celebrate and glorify about football, and yet we spend hour upon hour, week upon week, talking about simulation and diving. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill... Last week's furore was no surprise to me, and it certainly was no surprise that Ronaldo was the player at the centre - not because he dives any more than anyone else, but because he has become an easy target, especially after the World Cup. Yes, he might exaggerate sometimes. But does he do it more than anyone else? Was his 'dive' any worse than Tomas Rosicky's against Tottenham? Personally I think Rosicky's was worse, and there was vfery little said about that. And it looked exactly the same as Stevie Gerrard's against Sheffield United to me. He was running at pace, moved to avoid a tackle, lost his balance and with it the scoring opportunity. Nowhere in the rule books does it say that there has to be contact - only intent. Ronaldo is probably one of the most fouled players in the Premiership - he keeps the ball close to his feet, twists and turns and stays on his toes. It doesn't take a lot to lose your balance when you play like that. Yes, he embellishes it at times. But which player doesn't? Watch defenders when they're shepherding out the ball - the slightest contact in the back from the striker, and they're down. It's part of the game and it always has been. I played against the likes of Franny Lee and Trevor Francis, who were masters of the art. If ever there was a brush, they would be down. We accepted it, and that's what people need to do now - condemning players will only see them lose their confidence and eventually even go elsewhere. You couldn't really blame Ronaldo - at the age of 21 - if he decided he'd had enough and went to Italy or Spain, where his talents would be appreciated. That would be a massive loss to the Premiership - we need to encourage skill players, not drive them out of the country. This game is not perfect and it never will be - people need to stop trying to make it so. People will make mistakes, as we all do in everyday life, and we have to accept those mistakes. Sometimes players will get it wrong, sometimes referees will get it wrong - launching a witch-hunt helps nobody. A totally sanitised game - which some people seem to be striving for - will never happen, and thank God for that. Wouldn't it be dull if we didn't have controversy and argument? What on earth would I talk about for hours every Sunday? |
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Dec 8 2006, 03:29 PM
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duke...can tell me where u get articles from mr gray? big fan of his
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Dec 8 2006, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(he-sham @ Dec 8 2006, 02:43 AM) i wonder why ref must give a penalty if he not totally sure there's contact or not between the players... remember mu vs arsenal dis season?if it's critical decision such as penalty, first ref must 100% sure there's contact, & from that he must decide whether that incident merit a penalty or not... in ronaldo case, middlesboro keeper didnt touch him at all & i cant understand from where the ref got 100% sure there's contact.....if not sure, just dont give it.... it shows, ref always bias to big team...unlucky boro... arsenal player dived n ref give penalty.. lucky no goal did everyone kecoh about that? maybe all people open big eyes for this case to MU player, especially ronaldo |
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Dec 8 2006, 04:06 PM
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^ here we go again...
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Dec 8 2006, 04:13 PM
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where is rivaldo? must give credits to his oscar performance.
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Dec 8 2006, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Dec 8 2006, 03:29 PM) duke...can tell me where u get articles from mr gray? big fan of his I hope you're a fan of his football only because that man is a scumbag non football wise. |
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Dec 8 2006, 06:19 PM
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Nolah I think he's a fan because Andy Gray defended Ronaldo, correct or not?
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Dec 8 2006, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(he-sham @ Dec 8 2006, 03:43 AM) i wonder why ref must give a penalty if he not totally sure there's contact or not between the players... oh yeah ka....if it's critical decision such as penalty, first ref must 100% sure there's contact, & from that he must decide whether that incident merit a penalty or not... in ronaldo case, middlesboro keeper didnt touch him at all & i cant understand from where the ref got 100% sure there's contact.....if not sure, just dont give it.... it shows, ref always bias to big team...unlucky boro... how about pires trip over his own heels and got a penalty against portsmouth? who is worst off now? so yeah...... |
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Dec 8 2006, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(Acey @ Dec 8 2006, 11:32 AM) dive-dive-wink drog-flip-slip |
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Dec 9 2006, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Dec 8 2006, 07:43 PM) oh yeah ka.... that is the best diving skill I ever watched....really how about pires trip over his own heels and got a penalty against portsmouth? who is worst off now? so yeah...... stick your leg out to the defender and get urself a penalty....wow the 1st in the world |
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Dec 9 2006, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 8 2006, 06:19 PM) Nolah I think he's a fan because Andy Gray defended Ronaldo, correct or not? no i am a fan of his punditry....take a bow son, gerrard so he was praising a scouser, wasnt he? dont jump to conclusions that people would like someone over a comment i am disgusted by that remark anyway refnulf, if u are referring to his womanising, i am just curious how someone like him can keep getting babes!!! amazing la....maybe his voice... |
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Dec 9 2006, 02:41 AM
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i just hate andy gray.. bias
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Dec 9 2006, 10:21 AM
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lol this somehow turn out to b MU vs Arsenal pulak.
come to think of it, a lot players dived... what make Ronaldo's became such a big hoo-haa simply bcoz of his reputation n big name. i doubt there will b a thread for some Reading or SHU players if they dived. |
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Dec 9 2006, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(seruzz2003 @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 AM) Personally I think Arjen Robben dive the most. Every time I see him on TV, he sure drop there, drop here. So, therefore Robben gets my vote! not to forget robben was the first person in world cup 2006 who got booked for diving.Damn! No Robben in the poll!! |
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Dec 9 2006, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(GrooveCoverage @ Dec 9 2006, 10:25 AM) not to forget robben was the first person in world cup 2006 who got booked for diving. materazzi had one of the most famous dives/overexagerration in recent time IMO |
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Dec 9 2006, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 9 2006, 10:21 AM) lol this somehow turn out to b MU vs Arsenal pulak. they can still vote others if they think any other player not on the list dive come to think of it, a lot players dived... what make Ronaldo's became such a big hoo-haa simply bcoz of his reputation n big name. i doubt there will b a thread for some Reading or SHU players if they dived. and wth???? garcia got 2 vote???? |
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Dec 9 2006, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Dec 9 2006, 11:48 AM) they can still vote others if they think any other player not on the list dive and wth???? garcia got 2 vote???? that must be some dude who hardly click a poll thread or click for the sake of fun |
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Dec 9 2006, 02:09 PM
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Top diver, for me
1) Ronaldo 2) Robben |
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Dec 9 2006, 02:16 PM
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Probably I don't always watch see Robbie Savage playing, I've no impression about his diving behavior
And Cristiano Ronaldo gets my vote. As a player he definitely gets my respect, with flowery skills and lightning speed, but not his acting skills though This post has been edited by samurai1337: Dec 9 2006, 02:16 PM |
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Dec 9 2006, 05:01 PM
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Same with me... Ronaldo always dive... Although, he's a good player with his skills and pace, he go down too easily!
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Dec 9 2006, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(DannGun @ Dec 9 2006, 06:01 PM) Same with me... Ronaldo always dive... Although, he's a good player with his skills and pace, he go down too easily! how about pires who trip and then dive over his own foot? |
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Dec 9 2006, 11:14 PM
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corradi, got red card summore, kekekeke
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Dec 10 2006, 03:18 AM
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if you look at this matter from another perspective you will notice that most player accuse for diving are mostly players with electric pace.Ronaldo,Robben,Diouf,Drogba to mention a few of them.While they are running at full speed,even the slightest touch may unbalance them.Make sense right?
Against middlesbrough Ronaldo did not make contact and fell to earn his team a penalty but what would happen if he did not "dive"??An easy tap in for him to earn himself and the team a goal instead of risking the penalty to be save.So why did he dive??Maybe he lost his balance whilst avoiding the keeper's challenge??From wat i see he was running at full speed and when the keeper charged out he avoided him by jumping to the left.Try jumping to the left while running at full speed a few times when you are free and don't fall at least once.Can you?? |
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Dec 10 2006, 03:21 AM
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By the way im not saying that there are no divers in the game at all but im trying to say that not all of the "dives" you see is actually a "dive".
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Dec 10 2006, 03:21 AM
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I still remember the time when pires was still with arsenal.. hehe..
he's no.1 in diving, but sportingly (didnt argue) my vote goes to didier drogba.. he's strong and dont come down easily.. so when he dive, it looks very fake |
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Dec 10 2006, 08:23 AM
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critics dont bother me - ronaldo , i am the top premiership player - ronaldo, continue critics me so i can be PFA player of the year this season - ronaldo
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Dec 10 2006, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Dec 10 2006, 08:23 AM) critics dont bother me - ronaldo , i am the top premiership player - ronaldo, continue critics me so i can be PFA player of the year this season - ronaldo hes a great player, have such a great skills, but he just spoiling his name by diving. |
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Dec 10 2006, 11:04 PM
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drogba should win the vote, believe me
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Dec 11 2006, 02:11 AM
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im putting a good word in on Drogba here hahhaa.
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Dec 11 2006, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Dec 10 2006, 11:04 PM) drogba should win the vote, believe me Yeah...after today match. i think people will change their mind. |
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Dec 11 2006, 03:05 AM
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anyone have the drogba diving video clip?
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Dec 11 2006, 03:08 AM
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Anyone saw the winner best actor/diver of the week?? As he his go crazily fighting like a kids with Lehmann...........such as Childish attitude
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Dec 11 2006, 03:08 AM
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drogba dint dive as much as previous seasons.
BUT RONALDO however... he's a pro-diver. maybe he should swtich to swimming instead. |
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Dec 11 2006, 03:20 AM
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pastinya si Ronaldo....
hes got wonderfull talent but he stil need to dive ~ look at world cup and recent games ... unacceptable.. maybe hes use to it ard...dive to avoid ppl tackle him and try the luck to cheat ref.. |
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Dec 11 2006, 03:27 AM
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Guess coz he's too talented that he "needs" to dive. Ppl always want to hentam him one every chance they get just to stop him.
2 cents (well maybe less in this case.. its 327 am in the morning) |
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Dec 11 2006, 03:35 AM
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drogba.. big guy but dive the most..
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Dec 11 2006, 03:52 AM
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^ cristiano defends for himself... (avatar and signature also C7)
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Dec 11 2006, 04:02 AM
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of cos he's the best player for the future
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Dec 11 2006, 04:02 AM
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QUOTE(ManLivArs @ Dec 11 2006, 02:45 AM) Yeah...after today match. i think people will change their mind. drogba won the trophy for this weekend.... but for all time diver, still ronaldo get my vote. he is still young and have plenty time to have diving session. unless he get broken leg and retire from football, then drogba has chance to overtake him... hehehe. |
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Dec 11 2006, 04:05 AM
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Oh well, all time great must be Rivaldo in the last 2 World Cup. hahaha
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Dec 11 2006, 04:06 AM
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of cos.. dunno how he got the idea to do it
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Dec 11 2006, 02:05 PM
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votes for diouf still so low geh?
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Dec 11 2006, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(timothyltw @ Dec 11 2006, 02:05 PM) votes for diouf still so low geh? because he plays for bolton...  |
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Dec 11 2006, 02:07 PM
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All the above plus Arjen Robben....
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Dec 11 2006, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Dec 11 2006, 02:07 PM) All the above plus Arjen Robben.... robben is a actor, not diver...next time if hollywood needs actor that need shows those painful face for certain scene, he is the man!!! |
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Dec 11 2006, 02:36 PM
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Well for actor i still vote for rivaldo...lolz...i guess everyone remember the drama...
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Dec 11 2006, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(hk_loo @ Dec 11 2006, 02:09 PM) robben is a actor, not diver...next time if hollywood needs actor that need shows those painful face for certain scene, he is the man!!! aiyo.. he dives too... can join those bollywooders... fall down tumble 100x, crutch leg, face, then stand up run 100m in 11sec flat...QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Dec 11 2006, 02:36 PM) Well for actor i still vote for rivaldo...lolz...i guess everyone remember the drama... whoa.. that one, lifetime achievement award... |
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Dec 11 2006, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Dec 11 2006, 02:38 PM) aiyo.. he winks too... can join those bollywooders... fall down tumble 100x, crutch leg, face, then stand up run 100m in 11sec flat... That sounds like the winker.This post has been edited by jdreamer: Dec 11 2006, 02:44 PM |
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Dec 11 2006, 02:58 PM
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sigh.. he winks at his winkie la.... kakakakaka...
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Dec 11 2006, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Dec 11 2006, 02:41 PM) That sounds like the winker. LoL true that.But atleast his not involved (yet, touch wood) in those theathrical acts such as rolling down on the floor when then goalkeeper gave him a friendly spank. Not talking about drogba though.. He didn't manage to get the keeper sent off.. but this felloww.. even manage to get the keeper pissed and sent off. Achievement! |
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Dec 11 2006, 03:35 PM
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I'll go for Drogba, quite a good player, but probaly the best diver...
Like his finishing but hate his dives... Diouf...hmmm, i tot this "bad boy"'s play had been more in control lately. Vasalle, like ur sig...good one... |
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Dec 11 2006, 04:39 PM
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haha vasalle i LOVEEE ur siggie... but its abit too much for the chelski fans la
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Dec 11 2006, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(idevonz @ Dec 11 2006, 04:02 AM) of cos he's the best player for the future i agree with this... he is the player who certainly will be a big name in the future... yes, he dives sometimes but he does it as real as possible... he such a great talent, got great legs, and a great, realistic diver... unlike some other divers who try to dive but end up getting yellow card or worse, a blood-coloured card... |
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Dec 11 2006, 07:24 PM
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C.Ronaldo just has ellectric legs. He's not really a diver, just goes to ground easily with minimal contact.
Look what happens to Guti when he doesn't dive. Get ball only kena hantam kau kau till need to call for medic and spend 1-2 minutes of the field. |
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Dec 11 2006, 07:27 PM
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No matter what happen Drogba is most suxiest diver of my life ................... muahahhahahha
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Jan 12 2007, 08:54 PM
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No doubt,......it has got to be Drogba
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Jan 12 2007, 10:39 PM
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drogba is my man...diving 10 out of 10
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Jan 13 2007, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Dec 11 2006, 07:24 AM) C.Ronaldo just has ellectric legs. He's not really a diver, just goes to ground easily with minimal contact. Yes I think sometimes players dive to draw attention to the referees that people are sliding in without even thinking of getting the ball.Look what happens to Guti when he doesn't dive. Get ball only kena hantam kau kau till need to call for medic and spend 1-2 minutes of the field. |
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Jan 13 2007, 01:02 AM
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used to b reyes, now its drogba
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Jan 13 2007, 01:07 AM
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C. Ronaldo
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Jan 13 2007, 01:12 AM
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drogba for me.and he always complains too.sometimes it's good to stand up for your teammates, but doing it too frequently is just irritating
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Jan 13 2007, 01:13 AM
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Lehmann!!
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Jan 13 2007, 01:24 AM
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a goalie for sure like to dive, if not how they want to save the ball
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Jan 13 2007, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(vdvaart @ Jan 13 2007, 01:24 AM) a goalie for sure like to dive, if not how they want to save the ball lol..but lehmann loves to act and cari pasal also la.. |
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Jan 13 2007, 01:54 AM
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reminds me of da incident when drogba n lehmann were in a shoving match... damn even bowling pins can stay up stronger then those two wakaka
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Jan 13 2007, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Jan 13 2007, 01:54 AM) reminds me of da incident when drogba n lehmann were in a shoving match... damn even bowling pins can stay up stronger then those two wakaka LOL they were like kids at that time |
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Jan 13 2007, 02:03 AM
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drogba keji.. i vote for drogba XD
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Jan 13 2007, 02:06 AM
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Drogba all the way
I think judging by how strong he handles himself in situations, i find some of the falls quite prepostrous.... but nobody beats rivaldo, the incident where the ball hit his leg, and he covers his face in agony (best dive) |
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Jan 13 2007, 02:47 AM
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Voted 4 cristiano ronaldo!!!
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Jan 13 2007, 02:57 AM
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Jan 13 2007, 03:14 AM
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QUOTE(-Jonathan- @ Jan 13 2007, 02:06 AM) Drogba all the way yea hahaa dat was against turkey rite? in da world cup 02. rivaldo wanted to take corner, da turkish player pass the ball kena his leg, rivaldo stares at da ref n then falls to da ground clutching his face in agony... result: turkish player red card, rivaldo oscar prize.I think judging by how strong he handles himself in situations, i find some of the falls quite prepostrous.... but nobody beats rivaldo, the incident where the ball hit his leg, and he covers his face in agony (best dive) |
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Apr 5 2007, 01:55 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo is the only player who dives in this world.. weee!!!
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Apr 5 2007, 09:35 AM
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I have to go with C.Ronaldo.
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Apr 5 2007, 11:18 AM
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savage.... nowdays he overshadowed by C.ronaldo and diaof
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Apr 5 2007, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Jan 13 2007, 01:13 AM) Lehmann!! he like to dive... but dunno how to do it.. |
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Apr 5 2007, 11:22 AM
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such a direct poll
Drogba n Ronaldo Drogba always rolled on the floor like he was very painful when he been taken down, 3 minutes later you will see him run again like F1 car. When is the last time we see him get injure? Ronaldo? do i need to say anything more? xD These 2 will surely leader the poll as the winner and 2nd runner up This post has been edited by Meis: Apr 5 2007, 11:26 AM |
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Apr 5 2007, 09:03 PM
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I'm going with Luis Garcia.
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Apr 5 2007, 09:05 PM
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why oh why? Ronaldo is the only player who dive in this WORLD not only dive he also a cheater and a hypocrite.. why dont u just stop pretending?... why??
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Apr 5 2007, 09:07 PM
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Cause he says," Because I'm to gooood."
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Apr 5 2007, 09:09 PM
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hmm..RONALDO did dive a lot....
but dono is deliberately ...or accidentally ... HE shud know better than us here. i think ROBINHO used to dive too ..  |
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Apr 5 2007, 09:32 PM
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Their both extremely fast and agile players that's why they seem to fall often often with little contact. The opponents just can't keep up. When running at full pace it doesn't take much to make you fall over.
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Apr 5 2007, 11:34 PM
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i have to go for Cristiano Ronaldo. even the newspaper agrees
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Apr 5 2007, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Apr 5 2007, 09:03 PM) I'm going with Luis Garcia. no hard feeling bro,but luis garcia don often play a EPL game ,how u suppose to "go with luis garcia" ? ROFLMAO in fact,he only got 3/250+ vote just curious,not supporting L.Garcia..This post has been edited by akRia: Apr 5 2007, 11:49 PM |
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Apr 5 2007, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(akRia @ Apr 5 2007, 11:37 PM) no hard feeling bro,but luis garcia don often play a EPL game ,how u suppose to "go with luis garcia" ? ROFLMAO From the times I've seen him played. Didn't read the 'EPL' part. in fact,he only got 3/290+ vote just curious,not supporting L.Garcia.. |
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Apr 5 2007, 11:52 PM
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I haven't seen Garcia dived b4, maybe I'm just biased
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Apr 5 2007, 11:56 PM
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do you think perotta dive or not last night in match with MU???
he got yellow card and suspend for next match.. unlucky him... |
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Apr 5 2007, 11:57 PM
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i thought it was harsh
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Apr 6 2007, 12:14 AM
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yes he dived.. but not sure about the YC
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Apr 6 2007, 12:18 AM
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italian player is quite good in diving + acting
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Apr 6 2007, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE(deadalus @ Apr 6 2007, 01:18 AM) italian player is quite good in diving + acting oh sorry, this thread just to discuss about epl player, |
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Apr 6 2007, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(deadalus @ Apr 6 2007, 12:18 AM) italian player is quite good in diving + acting yup! no doubt.. they also love to play hide & no seek.. pretty smart.. |
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Apr 6 2007, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(scorps @ Apr 5 2007, 11:56 PM) do you think perotta dive or not last night in match with MU??? hmm....not sure..he got yellow card and suspend for next match.. unlucky him... i think Heinze did make contact with him... QUOTE(deadalus @ Apr 6 2007, 12:18 AM) italian player is quite good in diving + acting haha...u mean like Zidane vs Materazzi case huh? |
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Apr 6 2007, 08:43 AM
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if u all say acting, no 1 can beat the oscar winner robben...
next time for those bullet hit scene, should find robben since he can express it well |
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Apr 6 2007, 05:23 PM
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Definitely C.Ronaldo....He's skillful and pacey but in the same time he is a king of diver & being arrogant too....
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Apr 6 2007, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(Ken @ Apr 6 2007, 08:43 AM) if u all say acting, no 1 can beat the oscar winner robben... LOL. I could still remember his 'duel' with Reina.. next time for those bullet hit scene, should find robben since he can express it well |
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Apr 7 2007, 10:56 AM
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Best Diver: Definitely C. Ronaldo ('I'm too good', as mentioned in his interview after the game against Boro)
Best Play Acting: Drogba and Lehmann (both fell to the ground like tofu). |
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Diouf is the pure diver,no contact at all and he'll fall.For CR,there's contact when he fall most of the time.Drogba like to exaggerates his fall..
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Apr 7 2007, 11:16 PM
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wanna bet , if c.Ronaldo wasnt playing for ManUtd or any english club , his name wont even be on this list.
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Apr 7 2007, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 8 2007, 12:16 AM) wanna bet , if c.Ronaldo wasnt playing for ManUtd or any english club , his name wont even be on this list. why ??becoz he will not popular at another club?? |
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Apr 7 2007, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 7 2007, 11:16 PM) wanna bet , if c.Ronaldo wasnt playing for ManUtd or any english club , his name wont even be on this list. u know wat? Cristiano Ronaldo is the ONLY player who dives in this WORLD..everybody say that.. no other players dive! no one! Except Cristiano Ronaldo! i'm suggest non-man utd fans are happy with my statement!!  This post has been edited by maxizanc: Apr 7 2007, 11:25 PM |
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Apr 7 2007, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Apr 8 2007, 12:24 AM) u know wat? Cristiano Ronaldo is the ONLY player who dives in this WORLD.. and i think maybe the most of MU fan out there will not agree with u..everybody say that.. no other players dive! no one! Except Cristiano Ronaldo! i'm suggest non-man utd fans are happy with my statement!! hohohohoho |
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Apr 7 2007, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(scorps @ Apr 7 2007, 11:33 PM) and i think maybe the most of MU fan out there will not agree with u.. and the man utd fan u mentioned are either a newbie or someone who donno the art of metaphore like u..hohohohoho |
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Apr 7 2007, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Apr 7 2007, 11:24 PM) u know wat? Cristiano Ronaldo is the ONLY player who dives in this WORLD.. No doubt the best diver. Thats how good he can be, in every ways.everybody say that.. no other players dive! no one! Except Cristiano Ronaldo! i'm suggest non-man utd fans are happy with my statement!! |
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Apr 7 2007, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Apr 8 2007, 12:38 AM) and the man utd fan u mentioned are either a newbie or someone who donno the art of metaphore like u.. nevermind |
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Apr 8 2007, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(neozero @ Dec 4 2006, 04:12 PM) pires would be the all time diving legend but at the moment should be between diouf and ronaldo haha so true ... but the all time diving legend & king title goes to Jurgen Klinsmann ... he is the fella who started the trend in EPLThis post has been edited by sakura73: Apr 8 2007, 04:07 PM |
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Apr 8 2007, 08:12 PM
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You miss out robert pires..Haha..
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Apr 8 2007, 08:42 PM
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yeah robert pires dives alot man...and as well as didier drogba..
but yes those other supporters would say that ronaldo is the greatest diver..but he has cut that nonsense out |
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C. Ronaldo has been playing great football this season, no doubt. He was used to be labeled as diver because of previous season's acts. Leave this guy aside for the title of this season, will' ya?
Pires is not an EPL player already. QUOTE(maxizanc @ Apr 7 2007, 11:24 PM) u know wat? Cristiano Ronaldo is the ONLY player who dives in this WORLD.. I know you are frustrated but I find no ground for you to make such a generalization to all "non-Man-Utd" fans. You are not making anyone happy but yourself.everybody say that.. no other players dive! no one! Except Cristiano Ronaldo! i'm suggest non-man utd fans are happy with my statement!! |
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Apr 8 2007, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 7 2007, 11:16 PM) wanna bet , if c.Ronaldo wasnt playing for ManUtd or any english club , his name wont even be on this list. this is true...because he is playing in Man Utd.... |
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QUOTE(scorps @ Apr 7 2007, 11:33 PM) and i think maybe the most of MU fan out there will not agree with u.. lolx dont think so..im with maxizanc .cause i cant think of other way to please people out there with C.R if not saying he's the only diver.hohohohoho the truth?we know ourselves |
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Apr 9 2007, 02:16 PM
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If you play in the big four, you get into the press more often so it makes sense. I'm tired of hearing fans, player and managers moan about how they are victimised because they are part of a big team. Being a big and well supported team, you get more press coverage, your games get aired live more often and people notice you more. It's part of the game, deal with it. If they can't live with it, drop out of the top four and glide under the radar.
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Apr 9 2007, 03:00 PM
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robert pires, now working in pulau redang..teach ppl how to scuba dive.
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Apr 9 2007, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(eltan @ Apr 9 2007, 03:00 PM) robert pires, now working in pulau redang..teach ppl how to scuba dive. Excuse me, are you trying to be sarcastic? Grow up.Added on April 9, 2007, 3:32 pmEPL players only huh? This post has been edited by kimhoong: Apr 9 2007, 03:32 PM |
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ Apr 8 2007, 08:51 PM) C. Ronaldo has been playing great football this season, no doubt. He was used to be labeled as diver because of previous season's acts. Leave this guy aside for the title of this season, will' ya? truly respect u.Pires is not an EPL player already. I know you are frustrated but I find no ground for you to make such a generalization to all "non-Man-Utd" fans. You are not making anyone happy but yourself. i watched the game against pompey and free kicks that would be given against other players were not given against him because he is CR7. so many players should have been yellow carded because they were kicking lumps in him. so yes he does exagerate a fall but certain times, they kick him or nudge him out of balance and they KICK him..if we have a Opta for fouls against, go look at CR's number bet it will be top by a mile |
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Apr 9 2007, 03:41 PM
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oops..thats En. Rehad Faris that teaches scuba lesson...for once i thot Pires really do give diving lesson in redang..my bad...
Added on April 9, 2007, 3:44 pmbut he definitely have great diving skill...salute!~ This post has been edited by eltan: Apr 9 2007, 03:44 PM |
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Apr 9 2007, 03:45 PM
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No one is doubting CR's ability. They are just responding to the topic. Just because they think he goes down easy, it doesn't mean they think he's crap.
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Apr 9 2007, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 9 2007, 03:45 PM) No one is doubting CR's ability. They are just responding to the topic. Just because they think he goes down easy, it doesn't mean they think he's crap. no i am saying that ppl think he dives more than he actually does if my comment makes sense and if u understand it.he dives. period. but sometimes, its a slip, loss of control or indeed the opposition nudges him and he loses his balance or a slight contact keeps him on the floor.... ppl fail to see the other three factors as to why he falls easily Mark Clatternburg was disgusting at Pompey, so were the linesmen |
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Apr 9 2007, 03:57 PM
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Funny how Thierry Henry wasn't listed ... =\
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Apr 9 2007, 04:00 PM
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Well players in general tend to go down easier nowadays as the stakes are much higher. I don't necessarily believe everything the press tells me but I do believe that there often isn't smoke without fire. I personally have not seen Henry dive often enough to call him a diver.
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Apr 9 2007, 04:11 PM
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People often say that C.Ronaldo dives. As a fan, yes I do admit he dives. But most of the time, the decision by the referee just goes the against him even though he was genuinely fouled due to his "reputation".
Duke you should really watch some of Henry's dives. Interesting stuff. Football players should become actors after their prime age. From one theatrics industry to another. |
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Apr 9 2007, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 9 2007, 03:49 PM) no i am saying that ppl think he dives more than he actually does if my comment makes sense and if u understand it. I think Mark Clatternburg was fantastic. Most of his decisions are correct, especially Rooney's claim of penalty (twice) and the tv replay proved the decision is right. In fact, the MU players went down shamelessly looking for freekick all the time. Anyway, I think Mark is one of the best referee around in EPL.he dives. period. but sometimes, its a slip, loss of control or indeed the opposition nudges him and he loses his balance or a slight contact keeps him on the floor.... ppl fail to see the other three factors as to why he falls easily Mark Clatternburg was disgusting at Pompey, so were the linesmen |
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Apr 9 2007, 06:49 PM
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Falling down easily and unintentionally is different from diving intentionally
~ anyway, no matter who is your choice of "best diver", let's look at it maturely. Hopefully there's no more childish flaming with little ground. After all, it's personal choice. Different people has different taste, right? |
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Apr 9 2007, 07:02 PM
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Voted for Diouf because he'll say some very INFLUENCING words to the ref to make the ref change his decisions....
 Well, personally I think that every striker will dive sometimes for the team's benefits. Just put yourself into the situation, it's in the injury time, the other team is pressing hard on your team's defense, your team got a launch to counter your opponents. You are inside the penalty box and see one quality defender coming straight at you, what you will do?? Remember it's dying seconds and a goal is the only thing can will make your team win a... well, CL. Lolz, I think everyone will think of how to dive... One striker that I think is the purest is David Healy of Ireland and Leeds... never seen him dive, either skip over a tackle or just satnd up after fall....  Added on April 9, 2007, 7:04 pm QUOTE(kimhoong @ Apr 9 2007, 06:49 PM) Falling down easily and unintentionally is different from diving intentionally Sometimes they looked as if falling down unintentionally but different people have different perception about things....~ anyway, no matter who is your choice of "best diver", let's look at it maturely. Hopefully there's no more childish flaming with little ground. After all, it's personal choice. Different people has different taste, right? There's always bias and even sometimes with video replays, people will argue about whether it's intentional or unintentional.... Only the player knows.... This post has been edited by waynelyp90: Apr 9 2007, 07:04 PM |
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Apr 9 2007, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(BioZai @ Apr 9 2007, 03:57 PM) Funny how Thierry Henry wasn't listed ... =\ Yeah,he's a diver too,but not a famous one because he's king henry.He dive occasionally only,but when he dive,it's an obvious one..This post has been edited by hokuan: Apr 9 2007, 07:15 PM |
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QUOTE(hokuan @ Apr 9 2007, 07:14 PM) Yeah,he's a diver too,but not a famous one because he's king henry.He dive occasionally only,but when he dive,it's an obvious one.. Pity he didn't learn from Master Pires while he had the chance. |
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Apr 9 2007, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(Red Maniac @ Apr 9 2007, 05:15 PM) I think Mark Clatternburg was fantastic. Most of his decisions are correct, especially Rooney's claim of penalty (twice) and the tv replay proved the decision is right. In fact, the MU players went down shamelessly looking for freekick all the time. Anyway, I think Mark is one of the best referee around in EPL. IMO he tried to keep the game neutral but at the same time he is very kayu.. ronaldo obviously fouled few times but seems like he never saw thoseQUOTE(waynelyp90 @ Apr 9 2007, 07:02 PM) Voted for Diouf because he'll say some very INFLUENCING words to the ref to make the ref change his decisions.... diouf is so ugly thus ref will faster angry to him Well, personally I think that every striker will dive sometimes for the team's benefits. Just put yourself into the situation, it's in the injury time, the other team is pressing hard on your team's defense, your team got a launch to counter your opponents. You are inside the penalty box and see one quality defender coming straight at you, what you will do?? Remember it's dying seconds and a goal is the only thing can will make your team win a... well, CL. Lolz, I think everyone will think of how to dive... One striker that I think is the purest is David Healy of Ireland and Leeds... never seen him dive, either skip over a tackle or just satnd up after fall.... Added on April 9, 2007, 7:04 pm Sometimes they looked as if falling down unintentionally but different people have different perception about things.... There's always bias and even sometimes with video replays, people will argue about whether it's intentional or unintentional.... Only the player knows.... jk jk |
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Apr 9 2007, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(waynelyp90 @ Apr 9 2007, 07:02 PM) There's always bias and even sometimes with video replays, people will argue about whether it's intentional or unintentional.... Only the player knows.... 90 % of the times that people say ronaldo dive is because they might not understand physics.If ur running at the speed Ronaldo does , even a slight nudge on ur heels or even body can send u flying down. Right now, Ronaldo does more to keep on his feet then the most honest and competitive player out there. Count the number of times he was clearly fouled but did his best ( succesfully ) to get back on his feet and continue running. I bet , that more then half the people that voted that Ronaldo dives the most , is NOT following his every match. Besides thatk, this diving thing .... is no where as bad as players who fake injury. *hints* robben This post has been edited by befitozi: Apr 9 2007, 08:18 PM |
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Apr 9 2007, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 9 2007, 08:16 PM) 90 % of the times that people say ronaldo dive is because they might not understand physics. Well, C.Ronaldo gets lots of tackle flying on him because he is great at dribble and full of pace. Not many defender can match his pace. However, he did DIVE on countless of occasion, just looks at the number of people votes. Remember how he get Rooney sent-off in World Cup? How he get penalty in Spurs & Boro match? In fact lots of players dive, its just a matter of how often. I can say that C.Ronaldo, Savage, Diouf, Drogba & Robben are the top DIVER in EPLIf ur running at the speed Ronaldo does , even a slight nudge on ur heels or even body can send u flying down. Right now, Ronaldo does more to keep on his feet then the most honest and competitive player out there. Count the number of times he was clearly fouled but did his best ( succesfully ) to get back on his feet and continue running. I bet , that more then half the people that voted that Ronaldo dives the most , is NOT following his every match. Besides thatk, this diving thing .... is no where as bad as players who fake injury. *hints* robben |
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Apr 9 2007, 09:17 PM
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i voted for "others" in poll; arjen robben
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Apr 10 2007, 09:12 AM
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Well, Ronaldo gets tackle he sits there and looks at the ref....
In serious Hollywood events, we see players holding their legs like it has been broken... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNvGgV0ek7A These are all non-divers but got their legs well, twisted and broken because they want to continue to chase the ball... P/S: I don't know why the Youtube tags don't work so there goes the link... Some might not play football anymore....  |
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Apr 10 2007, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(eltan @ Apr 9 2007, 03:00 PM) robert pires, now working in pulau redang..teach ppl how to scuba dive. make my days... ya, still remember that match against portsmouth in highbury... is a clear dive to win the penalty also another superman dive pires dive |
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Apr 10 2007, 12:20 PM
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Which do you boys reckon is worse? A player who dives and admits to being a diver, OR a player who dives and doesn't admit to being one?
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Apr 10 2007, 01:40 PM
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a player who doesnt dive
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Apr 10 2007, 02:18 PM
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Good answer
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Apr 10 2007, 02:43 PM
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wat about a player that doesnt dives but is victimized by the media
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Apr 10 2007, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 10 2007, 02:43 PM) wat about a player that doesnt dives but is victimized by the media I've said before that there often isn't any smoke with no fire. If the media do go on about it, there has to be a certain degree of truth behind it. Then it's up to the media how much they want to sensationalise it. |
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 10 2007, 02:43 PM) wat about a player that doesnt dives but is victimized by the media Example? |
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Apr 10 2007, 02:56 PM
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i just found this.
Henry learned from rivaldo for rivaldo his thigh is beside his nose for henry , his chest is beside his nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgFJfhFCiwE...related&search= |
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Apr 10 2007, 03:07 PM
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That's feigning injury which is another despicable habit!
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May 15 2007, 11:40 AM
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i choose Christian Ronaldo...
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May 15 2007, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(ckkean @ Apr 9 2007, 09:06 PM) Well, C.Ronaldo gets lots of tackle flying on him because he is great at dribble and full of pace. Not many defender can match his pace. However, he did DIVE on countless of occasion, just looks at the number of people votes. Remember how he get Rooney sent-off in World Cup? How he get penalty in Spurs & Boro match? In fact lots of players dive, its just a matter of how often. I can say that C.Ronaldo, Savage, Diouf, Drogba & Robben are the top DIVER in EPL r u watching the match? or juz read news from pathetic media |
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May 15 2007, 11:52 AM
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The truth about this thread is most fans would not be able to take criticism aimed at their players, whether or not it is justified. They will start trying to deflect the attention to another player who seemingly dives more rather than defend their player, because in reality, most players dive, only to what degree.
I can accept the fact that most players go down easily there days when there's contact. In accordance with the letter of the law, that warrants a foul. What I despise is players going down anticipating contact, even when there clearly isn't any. They then try to justify their innocence by trying to convince the opposing defender that there was indeed contact. That to me shows poor sportsmanship. If you anticipate contact and go down even when there isn't any, you should get right up again and play on. If you know you dived, don't try to justify your actions because the cameras will tell us the truth, and then you will get labeled as a diver, and rightly so. It's understandable that players who are especially quick will go down easier. Their momentum is taking them forward and the slightest bit of contact can throw them off. Has Ronaldo dived? Of course but so has other players. Does he go down easily? Yes but that could be because of the reason I gave, similar to how Gerrard went down under Gattuso's challenge in 2005. I like the thread topic though because it states "who dives the most?" and not "who dives?" It has already been established that almost all players dive every now and then. Out of the names given, I'll have to go with Ronaldo though Drogba comes in a close second. A player of his size should not go down so easily. It defies the laws of physics when you see defenders half his size put him to ground with minimal effort. I have to give credit where it's due though, and Drogba has since been working on cleaning up his act. I remember when he was getting booed by the Stamford Bridge faithful for diving too often. It says something when your own fans give you stick for it. This applies across the board. This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 15 2007, 11:56 AM |
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May 15 2007, 11:54 AM
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i don't think ronaldo is diving all the time even though i'm a chelsea fan...as you can see, the guy is so quick on his feet...a little nudge will bring him down to earth becoz of the momentum he's carrying...he's a poor fella until fouls on him went unnoticed by the ref at times...but i'd say he really wished to be fouled!!!
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May 15 2007, 03:35 PM
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is this from epl only?
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May 16 2007, 02:25 AM
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I have to say,
Its Drogba. During the last meeting with liverpool- he seemed to be suffering from spinal failure.. LOL even a slightest brush had made him trembling all over the field.. what a player.. PS: enjoy seeing him asking for cards from the ref during the Semis. |
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May 16 2007, 05:17 AM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ May 15 2007, 12:01 PM) What I cannot stand nowadays is how much a wimp some players are this day. Is like a slight nudge would threaten to break some of the players legs. Like this one?I don't mind players going down easily as that might be because they are too fast or they are thought to run off balance when they were young. But faking an injury to get someone booked? Thats just plain sad. And disgraceful. And scum like. And the revenge |
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May 16 2007, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE(khelben @ May 16 2007, 05:17 AM) Like this one? ahaha robben is a joke.. he's a nice player b4 came to chelseaAnd the revenge |
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May 16 2007, 08:38 AM
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I'm not going to start on any one player but those that feign injury to get others booked are a disgrace. I don't care which club you play for, there's no place for this in football.
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May 16 2007, 08:59 AM
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robben's case is not consider dive
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May 16 2007, 09:00 AM
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Henry dive vs Wigan
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May 16 2007, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(scorps @ May 16 2007, 09:00 AM) Henry dive vs Wigan henry not dived but lost balance only |
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May 16 2007, 09:12 AM
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dive is oledi one part of the competition nowsadays.....we have admit this even this is not a good sign....i do not know who dive the most, may be we can said is ronaldo......coz we depends on Astro for EPL matches.....Astro always show the big teams games.......so we will see a lot of divers come from the big teams......i think how smart a player dive will get my attention.....how smart the player can dive and cheat the referee.........if got a pool to choose who is the smartest player in diving......then my vote will go to Ronaldo......
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May 16 2007, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(chtanray @ May 16 2007, 09:12 AM) dive is oledi one part of the competition nowsadays.....we have admit this even this is not a good sign....i do not know who dive the most, may be we can said is ronaldo......coz we depends on Astro for EPL matches.....Astro always show the big teams games.......so we will see a lot of divers come from the big teams......i think how smart a player dive will get my attention.....how smart the player can dive and cheat the referee.........if got a pool to choose who is the smartest player in diving......then my vote will go to Ronaldo...... It works both ways. When your team is shown on TV more, they win more fans, and their players get more recognition. It's a double edged sword, the price of fame is you will. I can't see how people can complain though, they know it's coming. |
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May 16 2007, 09:41 AM
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No doubt the king of diver.........Christiano Ronaldo
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May 16 2007, 09:55 AM
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I voted for Drogba..
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May 16 2007, 10:19 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo is the Master Diver
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May 16 2007, 10:29 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo get my vote
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May 16 2007, 10:33 AM
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noone else than Cristiano Ronaldo...
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May 16 2007, 10:38 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo is smartest in diving but not dive the most......dun get wrong my meaning....
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May 16 2007, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(chtanray @ May 16 2007, 10:38 AM) Cristiano Ronaldo is smartest in diving but not dive the most......dun get wrong my meaning.... Sorry mate, what do you mean by smartest in diving again? Does that mean he dives or he doesn't? |
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May 16 2007, 11:30 AM
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Maybe dives in a better pose?
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May 16 2007, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 16 2007, 11:29 AM) Sorry mate, what do you mean by smartest in diving again? Does that mean he dives or he doesn't? he dived and can win the believe from the referee......or can say that he seldom get yellow card on diving even the whole England labeled him as NO 1 Diver in the country......with this label, referee still seldom give yellow card....this is wat i mean by smart......correct me if i am wrong....This post has been edited by chtanray: May 16 2007, 11:34 AM |
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May 16 2007, 11:34 AM
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man utd fan will defend ronaldo while chelsea fan will defend drogba..this is going nowhere..just vote and dont leave comments, if not will go on forever
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May 16 2007, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(vNistelrooy @ May 16 2007, 11:34 AM) man utd fan will defend ronaldo while chelsea fan will defend drogba..this is going nowhere..just vote and dont leave comments, if not will go on forever agree on this.......should just cast vote and leave here....i leave now.... |
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QUOTE(chtanray @ May 16 2007, 11:33 AM) he dived and can win the believe from the referee......or can say that he seldom get yellow card on diving even the whole England labeled him as NO 1 Diver in the country......with this label, referee still seldom give yellow card....this is wat i mean by smart......correct me if i am wrong.... Personally I don't care if a person is a 'smart diver' or a 'dumb diver'. To me, diving is still diving and though it may be accepted in certain parts of the world, I can't tolerate it. As I've said, all players have probably dived at some point or other and I find it despicable. It's one of the reason Liverpool fans didn't warm to Diouf who was a diver and worse, he admitted it. In short, he admitted he cheats. |
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May 16 2007, 11:39 AM
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It feels so good to see EPL Best Player of the Season gets the highest vote so far
*Spit* at CR , Kaka is the One & Only Golden Boy!!! Dun believe? go download MU vs AC Milan both 1st and 2nd leg |
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May 16 2007, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(vNistelrooy @ May 16 2007, 11:34 AM) man utd fan will defend ronaldo while chelsea fan will defend drogba..this is going nowhere..just vote and dont leave comments, if not will go on forever I see your point but the purpose of a forum is to discuss issues. What would be the point of just leaving a vote with no input? I don't see a problem as long as some posters exercise some common sense and use logic in their arguments. Also, some posters have to learn to take in constructive criticism and form an opinion of their own, backed by fact of course. It's just that most Malaysians post nonsense and when someone says something about their club or it's players (even though it's backed with fact and logic), they react as though someone had just insulted their mother. A little common sense will go a long way. You see me arguing with Renulf and though it may seem to get really heated, I appreciate that fact that we both have our points. At least it shows we gave some though into what each other said and tried to form our own arguments.This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 16 2007, 11:48 AM |
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May 16 2007, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(sickboy @ May 16 2007, 11:39 AM) It feels so good to see EPL Best Player of the Season gets the highest vote so far a comment from a milan fanboy..to all man utd fan, just vote and we talk in man utd street talk (dunno what version..maybe 50)*Spit* at CR , Kaka is the One & Only Golden Boy!!! Dun believe? go download MU vs AC Milan both 1st and 2nd leg u spit ronaldo still get award..better save ur saliva for better food digestion |
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May 16 2007, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(sickboy @ May 16 2007, 11:39 AM) It feels so good to see EPL Best Player of the Season gets the highest vote so far Now gentlemen, let's take this post as an example of someone baiting violent responses. If you ask me, this accusation (true or not) is not backed by enough reasoning and fact. By reacting in a similar fashion (e.g. balls! CR is the best!), you stoop to that level. If it were me, I'd go, "yeah yeah, Kaka is the greatest player that ever lived, and Ronald is the crappiest". Why? Because I see no point in arguing when I know the other party cannot justify his claim with reasoning and logic. How would you react to this then?*Spit* at CR , Kaka is the One & Only Golden Boy!!! Dun believe? go download MU vs AC Milan both 1st and 2nd leg This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 16 2007, 11:48 AM |
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May 16 2007, 11:52 AM
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Agreed with Duke there, there's no such thing as a smart diver or a dumb diver. If you want to name the biggest divers, I suggest you look at the teams first, Man U, the consistent "performers" are Ronaldo and would you believe it, Rooney! Many would not agree, but if you watch him game properly, despite his stocky build, Ronney is one of the biggest diver, it's just that he is able to deceive the referee more because of his "craftiness in the art".
Chelsea, on the other hand, has a few good ones there, Drogba, J Cole, Robben, SWP (when he plays). Arsenal have the likes of Hleb, Rosicky, Van Piersie, Fabregas, almost everyone else. Liverpool with Gerrard, Garcia, Pennant. The thing is this, diving existed long before 1992, when the premier league is formed. The thing is that with more cameras scrutinising the movement of players, it is easier to pick up diving with the slow mo replays and all that. So, it would be pretty dumb on the players part to blatantly dive if there's no contact and try to make a fool of themselves. If you ask me, if there's contact and you make a meal out of it, then it's diving. Whether it gets you a penalty, you opponent sent off or anything, it is cheating. Oh yeah, I don't buy the "intent" crap either. Thoughts and actions are 2 different thing. |
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May 16 2007, 11:54 AM
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Sometimes I just enjoy watching small boys post witty remarks hoping to be burnt. I just sit back and see what ensues
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May 16 2007, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ May 16 2007, 11:54 AM) Sometimes I just enjoy watching small boys post witty remarks hoping to be burnt. I just sit back and see what ensues You talking about me mate? Thanks for the compliment mate. |
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May 16 2007, 11:59 AM
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Nah was commenting on the flame bait earlier. No offence dude
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May 16 2007, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ May 16 2007, 11:59 AM) Nah was commenting on the flame bait earlier. No offence dude None taken mate, in fact I would see it as a compliment. Hehehe... |
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May 16 2007, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(hk_loo @ May 16 2007, 09:04 AM) henry not dived but lost balance only wow lost balance can claim penalty? bollocks |
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May 16 2007, 12:30 PM
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Thats why its called a dive. He intentionally made it look as though he was fouled when actually he tripped over a banana
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May 16 2007, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ May 16 2007, 12:29 PM) wow lost balance can claim penalty? bollocks if i am not mistake, causing ppl not balance will cost penaltiesif any of if the action to cause other ppl not balance is a illegal action, illegal tackle and the player try to avoid, intention to make player down and the player lost balance with the action.... am i right? |
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May 16 2007, 01:56 PM
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I think he's referring to players that lose their own balance.
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May 16 2007, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(chtanray @ May 16 2007, 01:05 PM) if i am not mistake, causing ppl not balance will cost penalties No. There must be contact. Losing balance does not warrant a penalty.if any of if the action to cause other ppl not balance is a illegal action, illegal tackle and the player try to avoid, intention to make player down and the player lost balance with the action.... am i right? |
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May 16 2007, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ May 16 2007, 02:12 PM) No. There must be contact. Losing balance does not warrant a penalty. ya i know.....without contact...it may be 50%-50% either penalty or yellow card.... |
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Jun 15 2007, 11:07 PM
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Nowadays African player sure dominate EPL .
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Jun 16 2007, 04:47 PM
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really? i think only drogba, mccarthy and essien are great
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Jun 16 2007, 05:22 PM
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i'll nvr forget viera's dive to get another opposition sent off.. forgotten which was it though.
very famous wan. the opponent stick his leg out then withdraw but viera goes tumbling down. |
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Jun 17 2007, 02:44 PM
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It's been established that almost every player has dived at some point. The thread title however does clearly say "who dives the most", and not "who dives".
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Jun 17 2007, 03:05 PM
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Every player dives, including the goalkeeper (though only in a literal sense).
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Jun 17 2007, 03:12 PM
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this thread is still alive |
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Jun 17 2007, 03:23 PM
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I vote for Nani and Anderson. Or maybe Hargreaves.
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Jun 17 2007, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(fr4g*st3r @ Jun 17 2007, 03:23 PM) I vote for Nani and Anderson. Or maybe Hargreaves. i'm agreed with u ... |
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QUOTE(fr4g*st3r @ Jun 17 2007, 03:23 PM) I vote for Nani and Anderson. Or maybe Hargreaves. D= coming from an MU fan why isn't Arjen Robben on the list D= |
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Jun 17 2007, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(fr4g*st3r @ Jun 17 2007, 03:23 PM) I vote for Nani and Anderson. Or maybe Hargreaves. QUOTE(hfmea @ Jun 17 2007, 03:46 PM) i'm agreed with u ... |
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Jun 17 2007, 04:48 PM
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Jun 18 2007, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 17 2007, 05:42 PM) dont woorry,cristiano ronaldo will teach nani and andersson how to dive at Old Trafford kah kah kah funny and hilarious quote for today to keep me smile till the office hour gone |
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Jun 18 2007, 01:45 PM
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and drogba also will teach pizarro and sidwell how to dive, how to cheat, how to act and how to play shoving match like kids not only at stamford bridge, but everywhere
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Jun 18 2007, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 17 2007, 04:42 PM) dont woorry,cristiano ronaldo will teach nani and andersson how to dive at Old Trafford Just as Deco and Robinho will teach new players from the 2 teams that you "support" how to perfect the art as well. Way to spread the possibilities of winning something ehh???? |
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Jun 18 2007, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(fr4g*st3r @ Jun 17 2007, 03:23 PM) I vote for Nani and Anderson. Or maybe Hargreaves. Hargreaves dive?..i think this thread need video prove,we can find many of drogba's.. |
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Jun 18 2007, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 18 2007, 01:45 PM) and drogba also will teach pizarro and sidwell how to dive, how to cheat, how to act and how to play shoving match like kids not only at stamford bridge, but everywhere i think drogba and c.ronaldo must retire from football,then join his national olympic diving squad,i`m sure they will beat Daniel Beego(malaysian diver) drogba must enter springboard diving c.ronaldo combine with deco to enter synchronized diving |
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Jun 18 2007, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 18 2007, 02:38 PM) i think drogba and c.ronaldo must retire from football,then join his national olympic diving squad,i`m sure they will beat Daniel Beego(malaysian diver) i love u man! drogba must enter springboard diving c.ronaldo combine with deco to enter synchronized diving look in the mirror----> ?llabtoof yalp ot woh wonk u od ,ylno kcoc klat u This post has been edited by maxizanc: Jun 18 2007, 02:45 PM |
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Jun 18 2007, 02:45 PM
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drogba dives so much...he is very strong physically but can get down very2 easily...aiyaa..
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Jun 18 2007, 02:46 PM
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supporting 2 clubs at a go and at the same time talking something negative about a player from another team..ur a real genius aint ya..
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Jun 19 2007, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 18 2007, 02:45 PM) i love u man! i dont love you look in the mirror----> ?llabtoof yalp ot woh wonk u od ,ylno kcoc klat u look in the mirror----> ?llabtoof si tahw wonk u od ,oot ylno kcoc klat u |
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Jun 19 2007, 04:20 PM
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For someone who claims to know a lot about football u sure dont know the traditions and the do's and dont's of football.
Lesson no 1. No one with a working mind "supports' 2 bitter, bitter rivals. If you do so, don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Exceptions to the rule though if you're a fecking glory hunter. If that's the case, support away!!! |
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jun 19 2007, 04:20 PM) For someone who claims to know a lot about football u sure dont know the traditions and the do's and dont's of football. Lesson no 2. Dont dive and claim penalty,even you C.Ronaldo or not,u will get yellow for that funny action,please la.. play fair,dont use dirty tactic to winLesson no 1. No one with a working mind "supports' 2 bitter, bitter rivals. If you do so, don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Exceptions to the rule though if you're a fecking glory hunter. If that's the case, support away!!! i dont care if anyone dont expect me exspecially you,go and dive with you ronaldo kay |
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Jun 20 2007, 11:24 AM
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ronaldo didnt claim penalty dude.. after he goes down he stand back quickly.. not like henry, not like drogba, not like robben, not like gerrard
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Jun 20 2007, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 20 2007, 11:24 AM) ronaldo didnt claim penalty dude.. after he goes down he stand back quickly.. not like henry, not like drogba, not like robben, not like gerrard he claim it in Germany`06,i dont remember when,i think when they met England,i really hate player who dive and claim even if he is Barca player,i`m really unhappy when Deco dive and got yellow in crucial time,that jokes make him suspended for big next game now,current almost football player cheat for win,i dont see any cheating when saw 50`-66` world cup video,they play very fair the manager also not used negative tactical for win,they play very offensive that make the game interesting to wacth |
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Jun 20 2007, 01:58 PM
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And Ronaldo is the only one who does it?? No Man United fan denies the fact that he dives every once in while but he isnt the only one. Way to have selective vision and singling him out ehh??? It's bad enough that you're a glory hunter, that you claim people dont know what is football when you support 2 bitter rivals then to add selective vision in an argument....epitome of a glory hunter I say. This is football, not a fairytale storybook, not everything goes according to the rules.
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Jun 20 2007, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 20 2007, 11:24 AM) ronaldo didnt claim penalty dude.. after he goes down he stand back quickly.. not like henry, not like drogba, not like robben, not like gerrard no la dude..u can watch a clip where ronaldo can even turn his head to referee before he touch the ground..very funny man |
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Jun 20 2007, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(kepet @ Jun 20 2007, 02:01 PM) no la dude..u can watch a clip where ronaldo can even turn his head to referee before he touch the ground..very funny man Video evidence, that the rage nowadays. Back whose accusations with videos. |
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Jun 20 2007, 03:05 PM
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This thread should be closed as we all know that the only player who dives is Ronaldo..
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Jun 20 2007, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jun 20 2007, 01:58 PM) And Ronaldo is the only one who does it?? No Man United fan denies the fact that he dives every once in while but he isnt the only one. Way to have selective vision and singling him out ehh??? It's bad enough that you're a glory hunter, that you claim people dont know what is football when you support 2 bitter rivals then to add selective vision in an argument....epitome of a glory hunter I say. This is football, not a fairytale storybook, not everything goes according to the rules. i not deny too,other player dive too but now we talk about who dive most in EPL not who dive in epl,most lyn choice ronaldo,so accept that even he is your heroif you can accept people talk about negative of your player/team,so i advise you dont join this thread,just spaming your team thread them you will be happy there babai i has no time to talk to people like you say whatever you want but ronaldo still is the most dive in epl congrat for that title Added on June 20, 2007, 3:23 pm QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 20 2007, 03:05 PM) This thread should be closed as we all know that the only player who dives is Ronaldo.. agree with you,many MU fan not happy about this thread,maxizanc!!! report to mod to closed this thread This post has been edited by faris21: Jun 20 2007, 03:23 PM |
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Jun 20 2007, 03:24 PM
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diving is a normal occurance in football nowadays whether u like it or not..it has been a culture and it will nv be curbed..wen one player dives he noes tat he is taking a risk and he understand the criticism he's gonna take..a man's gonna do wat a man's gonna do and some players will use watever method to win..regardless of the tactic they use..
dun blame them but blame da money involved in the games nowadays.. |
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Jun 20 2007, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(kepet @ Jun 20 2007, 02:01 PM) no la dude..u can watch a clip where ronaldo can even turn his head to referee before he touch the ground..very funny man the truth is all players are like that dude.. dont tell me valencia players never did soAdded on June 20, 2007, 3:29 pm QUOTE(Reimao @ Jun 20 2007, 03:24 PM) diving is a normal occurance in football nowadays whether u like it or not..it has been a culture and it will nv be curbed..wen one player dives he noes tat he is taking a risk and he understand the criticism he's gonna take..a man's gonna do wat a man's gonna do and some players will use watever method to win..regardless of the tactic they use.. no.. blame klinsmann!! dun blame them but blame da money involved in the games nowadays.. This post has been edited by MADReaLJL: Jun 20 2007, 03:29 PM |
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Jun 20 2007, 03:32 PM
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the truth is..glory hunters are worse kinda animals than human divers..
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Jun 20 2007, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 20 2007, 11:24 AM) ronaldo didnt claim penalty dude.. after he goes down he stand back quickly.. not like henry, not like drogba, not like robben, not like gerrard Really? Well if he dived without wanting a penalty, why dive in the first place? If the ref awarded a penalty, why not tell the ref it wasn't on ala Fowler vs. Arsenal? We've already established that most players have dived before whether it be to get a penalty or to play in the mud like when they were kids. To say that Ronaldo dives but gets up really quickly all the time is like saying Gerrard dives all the time, it's not true. Fact is everyone goes down looking for a penalty otherwise there would be no point in going down in the first place, would there? |
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Jun 20 2007, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 20 2007, 03:21 PM) i not deny too,other player dive too but now we talk about who dive most in EPL not who dive in epl,most lyn choice ronaldo,so accept that even he is your hero i dont have bloody time to report to mod to fulfill your order.. u seem happy when i said Ronaldo is the only player who dives.. dont u realize i have other meaning? if you can accept people talk about negative of your player/team,so i advise you dont join this thread,just spaming your team thread them you will be happy there babai i has no time to talk to people like you say whatever you want but ronaldo still is the most dive in epl congrat for that title Added on June 20, 2007, 3:23 pm agree with you,many MU fan not happy about this thread, maxizanc!!! report to mod to closed this thread people vote Ronaldo because he plays for Man Utd and he's one of the best player in the world who plays in England.. means everyone enjoy watching him plays.. if people not enjoying him plays they dont even bother to search for his weakness.. Ronaldo with his masive speed, he could easily fall down and people see that as diving too.. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Jun 20 2007, 03:35 PM |
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Jun 20 2007, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 20 2007, 03:34 PM) Really? Well if he dived without wanting a penalty, why dive in the first place? If the ref awarded a penalty, why not tell the ref it wasn't on ala Fowler vs. Arsenal? We've already established that most players have dived before whether it be to get a penalty or to play in the mud like when they were kids. To say that Ronaldo dives but gets up really quickly all the time is like saying Gerrard dives all the time, it's not true. Fact is everyone goes down looking for a penalty otherwise there would be no point in going down in the first place, would there? dude, gerrard didnt have to dive to claim penaltyhe just need to miskicking the ball and voila ~ u got penalty proof - liv vs su |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 20 2007, 03:35 PM) people vote Ronaldo because he plays for Man Utd and he's one of the best player in the world who plays in England.. means everyone enjoy watching him plays.. if people not enjoying him plays they dont even bother to search for his weakness.. Actually neither are reasons why I voted for Ronaldo. As expected, it was a tossup between Drogba and Ronaldo. The Ivorian however has cleaned up a little since he was boo-ed by the Stamford Bridge faithful which is why I voted for Cristiano. I understand it is difficult to remain impartial especially when criticism is aimed at a player for your club. The thread titles does however ask us which player we think dives the most, and that player to me is Ronaldo. It is not to suggest that I think no Liverpool player dives or has dived in the past, it means that to me, none of them dives as often as Ronaldo. I won't go into naming incidences but the most notable for me was the dive against Borough, just as Gerrard's was for England. However as I said before, I personally think Stevie G dives much less than him.Added on June 20, 2007, 3:44 pm QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 20 2007, 03:39 PM) dude, gerrard didnt have to dive to claim penalty Do you even understand English? I didn't say Gerrard doesn't dive. The thread title is who dives the most? Capishe? I don't mean to sound insulting but I think I made it pretty clear what I meant in my previous post. Did anyone else have trouble understanding it? I'll help, this was my line "is like saying Gerrard dives all the time, it's not true". How does that mean I think Gerrard never dives?he just need to miskicking the ball and voila ~ u got penalty proof - liv vs su This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 20 2007, 03:45 PM |
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ok ok.. i got it.. ronaldo 1st, 2nd goes to drogba, 3rd bla3x..
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Jun 20 2007, 03:48 PM
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yo duke.. u forgot my 3rd and last point..
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Jun 20 2007, 04:02 PM
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it's okay whoever dive the most or if ronaldo dives the most,we dont care as long as we are the greatest team of EPL and we are haha,sorry I think you're all jealous of him,if he wants to join your team definitely you all want it and forget all about the diving.
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jun 20 2007, 04:02 PM) it's okay whoever dive the most or if ronaldo dives the most,we dont care as long as we are the greatest team of EPL and we are haha,sorry I think you're all jealous of him,if he wants to join your team definitely you all want it and forget all about the diving. Sorry, I won't want the winker in my club.This post has been edited by jdreamer: Jun 20 2007, 04:05 PM |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 20 2007, 03:48 PM) yo duke.. u forgot my 3rd and last point.. You mean this one? "if people not enjoying him plays they dont even bother to search for his weakness.."People will pick on him for a couple of reasons. Here are three I can think of: a) He's a manc! b) He's so good, he doesn't need to go down so easily - similar to Drogba c) He's too lightweight, which is why he seemingly goes down so easily. Personally, I could care less though if I had it my way, ANY player that dives should be severely punished. Look at video evidence and ban the cheating cunts, I don't care if it's a Liverpool player. That being said, I personally don't look at the weaknesses of good players for no apparent reason. I am in awe of Ronaldinho and I must say, I don't really look at him play hoping to spot his weaknesses. Similar with the likes of Zidane, Hagi, Baggio or Van Basten. That being said, I don't think diving is a weakness because as you have noticed, some games are won unethically. I think diving is a crime and should be dealt with accordingly, just as feigning injury is. Added on June 20, 2007, 4:08 pm QUOTE(hazremi @ Jun 20 2007, 04:02 PM) it's okay whoever dive the most or if ronaldo dives the most,we dont care as long as we are the greatest team of EPL and we are haha,sorry I think you're all jealous of him,if he wants to join your team definitely you all want it and forget all about the diving. Try not to be so simple minded lah friend. This thread was setup to obtain votes. What? Do you expect everyone to lie? If we really believe that out of the players listed, Ronaldo dives the most, this means we are jealous? I've been calling Diouf a diving **** since he was at Liverpool, which is why we were all so glad to see him walk out. What difference does it make which jersey he puts on in the morning? Are you telling me that if he were to one day pull on a Man Utd kit, he'll suddenly not be a diving, spitting ****?This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 20 2007, 04:08 PM |
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Jun 20 2007, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Jun 20 2007, 04:05 PM) Sorry, I won't want the winker in my club. Ya,I also dont want a player that admit he scored using his hand |
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diving is an art.
those who perfect it should not be criticised. its part of the skills in footballing. conclusion diving and referee caught : you suck diving and referee believe you : you rock my stand is: if you wanna cheat, dont get caught. do it properly. although its not the cleanest of stand , but its applies to real life scenarios as well. This post has been edited by EmperorMeng: Jun 20 2007, 04:31 PM |
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 20 2007, 04:18 PM) diving is an art. I beg to differ mate, diving is cheating? Why? Here is a web definition for cheating:those who perfect it should not be criticised. its part of the skills in footballing. conclusion diving and referee caught : you suck diving and referee believe you : you rock a deception for profit to yourself Key word above is "deception". Meaning you made something out of nothing, which to me is cheating. It's the same if you clutch your head in agony when instead someones boot tapped your toe. You are trying to get the offender punished because that will profit you and your team. |
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Jun 20 2007, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 20 2007, 04:28 PM) I beg to differ mate, diving is cheating? Why? Here is a web definition for cheating: sorry i edit my post slow abit.a deception for profit to yourself Key word above is "deception". Meaning you made something out of nothing, which to me is cheating. It's the same if you clutch your head in agony when instead someones boot tapped your toe. You are trying to get the offender punished because that will profit you and your team. kena kacau by small kid ler.. haha yes i admit diving is cheating. |
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Jun 20 2007, 07:39 PM
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Woaw..its like a post season warfare here...Everyone's tryin to defend their stance and believes..well i still feel tat football is not how it used to be as there's juz too many at stakes nowadays..esp money wise..
It depends on oneself act..i certainly dun like divers but if my team really need a result then i wont mind any of the team players to dive..well tat's wat i think anyways..but i hope the players wont dive so much la ofcuz..da game will be a dull affair if too many players keep on diving or feinting injuries.. and heck..y did the TS wanna open tis thread about EPL players?y dun he open up a la liga one since he supports a team from there? |
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Jun 20 2007, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Jun 20 2007, 07:39 PM) Woaw..its like a post season warfare here...Everyone's tryin to defend their stance and believes..well i still feel tat football is not how it used to be as there's juz too many at stakes nowadays..esp money wise.. Oh, so it's okie to dive when you need a result. I see I see..It depends on oneself act..i certainly dun like divers but if my team really need a result then i wont mind any of the team players to dive..well tat's wat i think anyways..but i hope the players wont dive so much la ofcuz..da game will be a dull affair if too many players keep on diving or feinting injuries.. and heck..y did the TS wanna open tis thread about EPL players?y dun he open up a la liga one since he supports a team from there? |
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Jun 20 2007, 08:22 PM
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at the speed ronaldo is running , even something as small as a piece of rock that hit his leg , he will go flying tumbling down. Learn physics. |
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Jun 20 2007, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 20 2007, 08:22 PM) aih WTF?? Go to youtube and search for Jonah Lomu. That guy does 100 meters in 10 seconds. And he doesn't fall over at the slightest hint of contact. In fact, he brushes of defenders for fun. And mind you, thats in rugby. So all this crap about running so fast that a small rock would fukking make him fall is just bollocks. If that is physics, you would see me flying off the twin towers tomorrow.at the speed ronaldo is running , even something as small as a piece of rock that hit his leg , he will go flying tumbling down. Learn physics. |
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Jun 20 2007, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 20 2007, 08:22 PM) aih O_O ronaldo run very fast meh? ...at the speed ronaldo is running , even something as small as a piece of rock that hit his leg , he will go flying tumbling down. Learn physics. |
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Jun 20 2007, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 20 2007, 08:39 PM) WTF?? Go to youtube and search for Jonah Lomu. That guy does 100 meters in 10 seconds. And he doesn't fall over at the slightest hint of contact. In fact, he brushes of defenders for fun. And mind you, thats in rugby. So all this crap about running so fast that a small rock would fukking make him fall is just bollocks. If that is physics, you would see me flying off the twin towers tomorrow. I had a bad day today. Thanks for making me laugh. Nice one, mate. |
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Jun 20 2007, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 20 2007, 08:39 PM) WTF?? Go to youtube and search for Jonah Lomu. That guy does 100 meters in 10 seconds. And he doesn't fall over at the slightest hint of contact. In fact, he brushes of defenders for fun. And mind you, thats in rugby. So all this crap about running so fast that a small rock would fukking make him fall is just bollocks. If that is physics, you would see me flying off the twin towers tomorrow. You're comparing Lomu and Ronaldo??? Not the best comparison, for starters rugby players are encouraged to knock people down and use their momentum and body, footballers don't. Secondly, Lomu is a man mountain, Ronaldo is not. If you actually do play rugby, you'll know that the players usually just go for a tap at the heels to get a player who is at full flow down, especially the ones who is way bigger than them, so yes, they do go down with minimal contact TO THE LEGS when they are running at speed.And I don't agree with the fact that Drogba has cleaned up his act. He has been diving an awful lot as well this seaosn. Add Joe Cole to that list as well. I could add Gerrard and Henry to that list as well but not going to bother as they have been the usual suspects as well this season. And to say Ronaldo has dived a lot this season is not true ain't it?? I would put the Spurs penalty as the incident where it is clear that he went down with no contact. As for the statement that glory hunters are the worse kind of human being, wouldn't disagree with that. In fact, I agree wholeheartedly as I'm sure fans of most clubs would as well. If anything, they should be lined up and shot. |
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Jun 20 2007, 10:41 PM
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Found this clip:
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Jun 20 2007, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Jun 20 2007, 10:41 PM) Found this clip: No offense to Arsenal fans..  i rmb still got another clip og veira too,but different angle... |
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Jun 20 2007, 07:43 PM) Oh, so it's okie to dive when you need a result. I see I see.. yupp..its ok..its an individual preference act..if u think its ok den ok lor...il be sad if one of the player dived to get a goal or sumthin but if it was for a gd cause and it is v important to get da result den i really dun mind..will u? |
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 20 2007, 08:39 PM) WTF?? Go to youtube and search for Jonah Lomu. That guy does 100 meters in 10 seconds. And he doesn't fall over at the slightest hint of contact. In fact, he brushes of defenders for fun. And mind you, thats in rugby. So all this crap about running so fast that a small rock would fukking make him fall is just bollocks. If that is physics, you would see me flying off the twin towers tomorrow. aiyo ... i posted a short thing nia ...fine i say full When you run at that speed , try having something knock you at say , your ankle , i dont think you will have enough strenght to remain in balance AND keep control of the ball DONT compare rugby to football. Look at his body build man. Ronaldo is so skinny compared to rugby players. AND , if Ronaldo were to 'strongly' brush of defenders, he will get a foul against him. Dont say its ok to be given a foul against. |
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Jun 21 2007, 01:29 AM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 21 2007, 01:11 AM) aiyo ... i posted a short thing nia ... But the problem is, more than half of the time, is not the ankles. Defenders just have to brush him a little and he will roll over. And mind you, he is not that small. He is at least 6 feet and 75kgs. fine i say full When you run at that speed , try having something knock you at say , your ankle , i dont think you will have enough strenght to remain in balance AND keep control of the ball DONT compare rugby to football. Look at his body build man. Ronaldo is so skinny compared to rugby players. AND , if Ronaldo were to 'strongly' brush of defenders, he will get a foul against him. Dont say its ok to be given a foul against. And comparing this issue with rugby is appropriate IMHO. In rugby, you get contact by a defender and you try your best to go forward still because you know you will get nothing if you fall. Just keep in mind that its so much easier to fall when you are tackled rugby style compared to the football tackle. But in football, a lot of players tend to fall over anytime there is a slight contact because it rewards the action. This goes to show that if a player wants to, he could have continue, but because of it is just so much easier to roll over and get a freekick rather than following through like a man, players tend to choose the former option. |
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Jun 21 2007, 01:58 AM
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say whatever you want but he is the player of the year
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Jun 21 2007, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 21 2007, 01:29 AM) But the problem is, more than half of the time, is not the ankles. Defenders just have to brush him a little and he will roll over. And mind you, he is not that small. He is at least 6 feet and 75kgs. As of now , 90% of the times Ronaldo gets fouled , he goes on. I've missed none but 3 of ManUtd's games , and each of those games that Ronaldo played , there is at least 2 or 3 times he was clearly fouled but keep going on.And comparing this issue with rugby is appropriate IMHO. In rugby, you get contact by a defender and you try your best to go forward still because you know you will get nothing if you fall. Just keep in mind that its so much easier to fall when you are tackled rugby style compared to the football tackle. But in football, a lot of players tend to fall over anytime there is a slight contact because it rewards the action. This goes to show that if a player wants to, he could have continue, but because of it is just so much easier to roll over and get a freekick rather than following through like a man, players tend to choose the former option. |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:28 AM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jun 21 2007, 01:58 AM) say whatever you want but he is the player of the year And did I say otherwise? QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 21 2007, 03:03 AM) As of now , 90% of the times Ronaldo gets fouled , he goes on. I've missed none but 3 of ManUtd's games , and each of those games that Ronaldo played , there is at least 2 or 3 times he was clearly fouled but keep going on. Well, then that would be at least 10% or 33% of the time he would actually simulate (don't you just love that word ) in order to gain an unfair advantage depending on which sentence of yours I choose to believe in. And considering he gets fault quite frequently, I should able to safely say he dives a minimum of 1 time a game. This is on a very safe side of assumption. So there you go, when someone at least dives once every game, he is a serial offender and deserves to be on the diving team thats representing the EPL consortium next year in Beijing. |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:47 AM
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Are u comparing this:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « to this? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « oh come on! u do know the different betwen them arent u? Lomu is waayyy bigger than Ronaldo.. it's like comparing KLCC building with KL Tower (apart from the height) u know.. in football it's like comparing Gattuso with Ronaldo.. Ronaldo is not really a physical player compared to Gattuso.. Ronaldo and Lomu are speedy player but Lomu is a physical player, Ronaldo is not.. so speed and weight is related and weight is related to balance.. if Ronaldo has both i call him as a perfect player coz he has both speed and balance .. to @bwan.. Why would i defend another player playing for another club? if Ronaldo at another club.. i would admit he's a diver too.. coz at Man Utd i have no problem calling him a diver.. and diver & actor on the pitch are different thing.. i'm refering to Drogba who has both.. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Jun 21 2007, 05:31 AM |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:49 AM
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dont be jealous of ronaldo. nuff said.
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Jun 21 2007, 06:53 AM
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yeah, ronaldo dive, drogba dive, khalid jamlus dive, but compare footballers with rugby players
, if u play rugby asyik jatuh je, go back kampung main congkak or konda kondi la * i'm a rugby player (u can use leg & hand to score), no "hand of god" in rugby This post has been edited by PrinceOfPersia: Jun 21 2007, 06:57 AM |
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QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Jun 20 2007, 10:41 PM) Found this clip: this is big crimeNo offense to Arsenal fans.. QUOTE(hazremi @ Jun 21 2007, 01:58 AM) say whatever you want but he is the player of the year EPL player of the year,not FIFA |
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Jun 21 2007, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 21 2007, 03:47 AM) Are u comparing this: The point I am trying to prove with the comparision to Lomu is, being speedy does not mean you would fall at the slightest hint of contact. Lomu is used as comparision because he perfectly illustrates this point although he is a bit of an extream example. And yes, I am comparing rugby and football because as far as I know, the rule of physics does not change after the All Blacks scare the shit out of kids in front of the TV right before the game. Please refer to the original post I and what I was replying to before jumping around going holier than thou again.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « to this? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « oh come on! u do know the different betwen them arent u? Lomu is waayyy bigger than Ronaldo.. it's like comparing KLCC building with KL Tower (apart from the height) u know.. in football it's like comparing Gattuso with Ronaldo.. Ronaldo is not really a physical player compared to Gattuso.. Ronaldo and Lomu are speedy player but Lomu is a physical player, Ronaldo is not.. so speed and weight is related and weight is related to balance.. if Ronaldo has both i call him as a perfect player coz he has both speed and balance .. to @bwan.. Why would i defend another player playing for another club? if Ronaldo at another club.. i would admit he's a diver too.. coz at Man Utd i have no problem calling him a diver.. and diver & actor on the pitch are different thing.. i'm refering to Drogba who has both.. Conclusion: A lot of players, not only Ronaldo, could actually stay up during challenges but instead chooses to fall over because its more rewarding and convenient. |
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QUOTE(bwan @ Jun 21 2007, 12:57 AM) I wonder if Ronaldo move to other clubs and dive, will any MU fans will defence him again. BTW, this thread is not about club but it's about certain player. I will accept the fact that Drogba dives a lot and I hate that. But I think someone dives a lot better than him. So true. I'll like to see that as well. |
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Jun 21 2007, 09:48 AM
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Diving and acting will make the league get deduct Fairplay point,Sweden league get 1st place this season meaning an extra Swedish club will take part in the first qualifying round of next season's UEFA Cup
The coefficient is founded on a number of criteria such as positive play, respect for the opposition, respect for the referee, and behaviour of the crowd and team officials, as well as cautions and dismissals. This Ronaldo and Drogba action plus Liverpool`s fan action in Athens make FA maybe can`t get extra part in UEFA cup next season,btw EPL still have chance to get it,two more team will get same advantage as Swedish club but Norway, Finland,Germany, Estonia, Wales, Switzerland, Slovakia and France is the favorite to get the place |
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Jun 21 2007, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 21 2007, 08:29 AM) The point I am trying to prove with the comparision to Lomu is, being speedy does not mean you would fall at the slightest hint of contact. Lomu is used as comparision because he perfectly illustrates this point although he is a bit of an extream example. And yes, I am comparing rugby and football because as far as I know, the rule of physics does not change after the All Blacks scare the shit out of kids in front of the TV right before the game. Please refer to the original post I and what I was replying to before jumping around going holier than thou again. From ur sentence up there i can conclude ur main point is in the bolded sentence as ur remaining point i dont understand a single bit what u're trying to say.. Not gonna discuss abou t physic or rugby or whatever again.. but last word.. it's related, running with full speed, slight contact BAM u fall down.. it's related.. not all players are balanced enough.. try to see the speed of F1 car.. what happen when the car being 'touch' from behind or anywhere.. and dont tell me u never saw a player running at full speed then fall down with a slight contact.. that means u never watch football.. QUOTE Conclusion: A lot of players, not only Ronaldo, could actually stay up during challenges but instead chooses to fall over because its more rewarding and convenient. sigh.. if u really a fan of Man Utd and Ronaldo i think u'll understand speed and fall down after slight contact is related.. he's not choosing to fall over all the time.. if he is he never scored the most goals and assist the most goal in Man Utd.. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Jun 21 2007, 10:00 AM |
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Alot of u are missing the point Monstar is trying to make. He's not comparing rugby to football. He's just disproving the theory that if u are fast u lose balance and fall down easily. For me that's just bollocks. I'm with Monstar on this one. The reason why football players go down easily is because it's more rewarding in football compared to other games. It's the very reason why players in Spain and Italy go down so easily. Watch La Liga or Serie A regularly and u won't complain about Ronaldo or Drogba anymore
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Nothing, I mean nothing beats what went on between Drogba and Lehmann during the Arsenal Chelsea game... never seen grown men falling over like that
Yes, yes, Gerrard dives too That's why civilised ppl watch cricket (heheh!). In cricket the onus is on the bowler to appeal - if you think you've got the guy out, you make an appeal to the umpire. It's someone akin to saying that no goal is scored unless the goal scorer appeals to the ref that the ball's crossed the line Still, as the batsman does not need to prove that he is not out, Adam Gilchrist (an aussie star) got a lot of stick for walking - i.e. walking off the pitch when he feels that he's been bowled out. Ironic isn't it, in footie the focus is on cheaters, in cricket it's on honest players. Hey, that was totally OT wasn't it? |
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 20 2007, 10:51 PM) I'm just trying to say that speed and falling over does not correlate. There are many other factors as well. Claiming that one falls over because he is too fast is just too juvenile. And ankle tapping only works when you tap the ankle hard tapping the calfs, thighs and anywhere of the leg would yield no result. Probably a good session in the Kangaroo's court but nothing else. Do you have friends who plays as a fullback or winger in rugby?? I used to play prop so it does not applpy to me but wingers and fullbacks, they are usually smaller than most...so the ankle tapping thing applies a lot to them, especially against bigger opponents. I dont do ankle tapping cause I'm a big enough bugger but I had it done to me before. And trust me, in my experience of playing rugby usually a slight tap on the ankles will get you falling over when you're running at full speed as it disrupts your balance and there's no point diving in rugby aint there cause you're just wasting time, it's part of the game.. That Lomu comparison is cack because for starters Lomu shrugs people off. If you watch him during his playing days, he does a lot of hand offs, and people rarely gets to his legs unless when they gang up on him. That touchline is like a straight run for him, using his hand offs and momentum to get past people. So the comparison between a running, charging bulldozer and a football winger is far off IMO.PS: I'm not emphasizing on C....Ronaldo only, I just detest the fact that people try to cover those cheating scum arses by saying that they are too fast and can't help it. Added on June 20, 2007, 10:55 pm Nah. I probably try to get them to support MU or Everton. Then I can make fun of the proper fans of those clubs as well. QUOTE(bwan @ Jun 21 2007, 12:57 AM) I wonder if Ronaldo move to other clubs and dive, will any MU fans will defence him again. BTW, this thread is not about club but it's about certain player. I will accept the fact that Drogba dives a lot and I hate that. But I think someone dives a lot better than him. For starters, you dont really find Man United fans saying Ronaldo doesnt dive aint it??? And he is still playing for the club. Most of us are admitting that Ronaldo does dive occassionaly. I'm pretty sure you'll find even more Man United fans saying Ronaldo does dive than Chelski fans admitting that Joe Cole or Drogba does the same. But to say that Drogba dives more or less than him is cock and bull story IMO. The both of them does their fair bit in this diving department. Who's to say this fella dives less than the other one?? You people watch all of their games?? You people take note of every single falling over they make??This post has been edited by air_mood: Jun 21 2007, 10:55 AM |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 21 2007, 09:58 AM) From ur sentence up there i can conclude ur main point is in the bolded sentence as ur remaining point i dont understand a single bit what u're trying to say.. RED is the color.Get a dictionary or something then. Not gonna discuss abou t physic or rugby or whatever again.. but last word.. it's related, running with full speed, slight contact BAM u fall down.. it's related.. not all players are balanced enough.. try to see the speed of F1 car.. what happen when the car being 'touch' from behind or anywhere.. Well, even F1 cars does not roll over when they get clipped. Most of the time they lose noses or tyres. and dont tell me u never saw a player running at full speed then fall down with a slight contact.. that means u never watch football.. I've seen. Most of the time I just call them cheating cun*s sigh.. if u really a fan of Man Utd and Ronaldo i think u'll understand speed and fall down after slight contact is related.. he's not choosing to fall over all the time.. if he is he never scored the most goals and assist the most goal in Man Utd.. Sorry. Me no MU fans. Me no understand speeds fall fall. Me see you in Beijing Olympic pool next year ok? Added on June 21, 2007, 11:00 am QUOTE(air_mood @ Jun 21 2007, 10:49 AM) Do you have friends who plays as a fullback or winger in rugby?? I used to play prop so it does not applpy to me but wingers and fullbacks, they are usually smaller than most...so the ankle tapping thing applies a lot to them, especially against bigger opponents. I dont do ankle tapping cause I'm a big enough bugger but I had it done to me before. And trust me, in my experience of playing rugby usually a slight tap on the ankles will get you falling over when you're running at full speed as it disrupts your balance and there's no point diving in rugby aint there cause you're just wasting time, it's part of the game.. That Lomu comparison is cack because for starters Lomu shrugs people off. If you watch him during his playing days, he does a lot of hand offs, and people rarely gets to his legs unless when they gang up on him. That touchline is like a straight run for him, using his hand offs and momentum to get past people. So the comparison between a running, charging bulldozer and a football winger is far off IMO. Yup. I have friends that plays 14 and 15. But most of the time they rather go in low from the sides. More chance for success. Ankle tapping doesn't work most of the time.The bolded part: Thats my point exactly! Thats why you see far less players in rugby falling over at contact. Whereby in football, you get rewarded, thus there is a very high tendency to just roll over. The bait is there. And some of the players are seen taking the bait more than once and then they or their fans would defend them by blaming that they are too fast. Which I think is bollocks. This post has been edited by Monstar: Jun 21 2007, 11:00 AM |
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I can attest to the fact that Monstar does play rugby. I do understand the point he's trying to make but when you speak of diving, you are often talking about someone going down without any contact. Comparing rugby to football is therefore a little out of context if you ask me, simply because diving often does not involve contact. It does not therefore matter if a player breaks the sound barrier or if he grows a beard running from his half to his opponents.
Once again, I think a lot of posters are going out of context here. The thread title specifically asks us who we think dives the most. It is natural for supporters of a club to want to defend their players and they do this by diverting the readers attention to other players that also dive (hence the videos and pictures of Gerrard, Viera, etc). The point is that we can only judge based on memory and though I would be the first to admit that I've seen Stevie dive (and when I say dive, I mean go down with zero contact), I also have to be honest to say that there is no way he dives more often than Ronaldo (once again I reiterate, diving to me means going down with no contact). Let's face it, you won't catch many players today bulldozing themselves through a sea of defenders in the manner of 'Big Dunc' Ferguson or even Geoff Horsfield. Most will do the 'smart' thing and do down at the slightest hint of contact, which doesn't necessarily go against the rules of the game. To go down with minimal contact is not nearly as serious a crime as going down with NO contact, which as I posted earlier, is to deceive or cheat. Droga does go down easily but often there is some contact however minimal. Gerrard's most blatant dive was against Hungary in England's pre-World Cup game and I was appalled what I saw that. Critics will also remember how he went down a little too easily against Milan in 2005 when Gattuso tapped his boot. The fact is however that there was contact, regardless of how minimal it was. Let us first define what constitutes diving then. To me, it is when a player goes down with NO contact. What do you reckon? Going by my definition I find it laughable that anyone can say Gerrard dives more than Ronaldo. There is no really nice way of saying this, and there is no way of making it not sound like an attack. You'll have to take my word for it though, this is not an attack but merely an observation of mine. If anyone can honestly say that Gerrard dives more than Ronaldo going by my definition, then so be it. We are all entitled to our opinions. Do try however to put things in context, this is not an attack against a particular club or player. It is just that the nature of the thread encourages us to find a target. |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 21 2007, 10:53 AM) RED is the color. Going low from the sides usually only happens when you get sidestepped and the probability of being handed off by going from the sides is very high. Hence why you see a lot of people getting handed off when they go against the man mountain that is Jonah Lomu. Hell, even the likes of Nonu, Rokococko and Umaga does that a lot. Ankle tapping is the most simple solution and is usually a last resort but it is very effective irregardless of the size of opponent the problem is the need of timing or to actually make sure you swipe the ankles. A slight swipe will you get you falling over. So yes, minimal contact when you're going at full speed still get you over. Like I've said I had it done to me before cause when I used to play rugby, stopping me head on might be a bid of a problem cause I use mybody and momentum a lot to knock people over.Added on June 21, 2007, 11:00 am Yup. I have friends that plays 14 and 15. But most of the time they rather go in low from the sides. More chance for success. Ankle tapping doesn't work most of the time. The bolded part: Thats my point exactly! Thats why you see far less players in rugby falling over at contact. Whereby in football, you get rewarded, thus there is a very high tendency to just roll over. The bait is there. And some of the players are seen taking the bait more than once and then they or their fans would defend them by blaming that they are too fast. Which I think is bollocks. I have no idea who came up with this quote but was told to me by my rugby coach. "Football is a gentlemen's game, played by hooligans. Rugby is a hooligan's game, played by gentlemen." In the issue of takign baits, what's your take on Gerrard's winning the penalty against Sheffield in both games?? |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:36 AM
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Jun 21 2007, 11:41 AM
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Jun 21 2007, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 21 2007, 11:41 AM) You didn't happen to be referring my post? I think I made pretty poignant points and it took some effort. I'd feel hurt if you simply dismissed it the way you did. I do think I dismissed going down with minimal contact as 'diving'. I did clearly state a few times that to me it is when a player goes down with no contact. nop.. i didnt read ur post yet before posting the vids.. i was refering to the post before means i spent big time trying to find the vids.. btw, ur post is helping as usual.. same as air_mood.. Anyway if you say you won't bother arguing, why are you trying to get the last word in? Why not just ignore the issue completely and post something else? and now, no more post from me.. this is my last post.. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Jun 21 2007, 12:03 PM |
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first,some member bring in rugby theory,then some bring F1
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Jun 21 2007, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jun 21 2007, 03:28 AM) And did I say otherwise? You obviously havent been watching manutd matches Well, then that would be at least 10% or 33% of the time he would actually simulate (don't you just love that word ) in order to gain an unfair advantage depending on which sentence of yours I choose to believe in. And considering he gets fault quite frequently, I should able to safely say he dives a minimum of 1 time a game. This is on a very safe side of assumption. So there you go, when someone at least dives once every game, he is a serial offender and deserves to be on the diving team thats representing the EPL consortium next year in Beijing.i bet all you watch were news reports and video compilations of how much ronaldo is a 'cheater' bla bla bla' to add to all that , of all of ronaldo's past dives , he NEVER ONCE feign injury to get others sent off , unlike some others no point i continue here , bye This post has been edited by befitozi: Jun 21 2007, 12:09 PM |
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Jun 21 2007, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 21 2007, 12:02 PM) first,some member bring in rugby theory,then some bring F1 Well there is some relevance lah. In the end, I do agree it's easier to get knocked off balance when momentum is carrying you in one direction. Going into more detail will lead us to go out of context given the variables of each specific sport.i`m this really hot thread |
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Jun 21 2007, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 21 2007, 03:47 AM) Are u comparing this: why so overreacted???i think mosntar's point apply on ALL player but not focusing on ronaldo.FYI , cars are build from steel, we can adjust our body according to our will and limit,have u seen car that can move the wheel 270degree according to the driver?im not saying ronaldo is diver or anything,im just saying u compare a car which running at average 270km/h and a man at around 50-60km/h is pointless.so maxizanc u cannot go jogging in normal road with small stone/hump/tree/anything ? coz u will fall so easy whenever u step/hit/block by a something» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « to this? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « oh come on! u do know the different betwen them arent u? Lomu is waayyy bigger than Ronaldo.. it's like comparing KLCC building with KL Tower (apart from the height) u know.. in football it's like comparing Gattuso with Ronaldo.. Ronaldo is not really a physical player compared to Gattuso.. Ronaldo and Lomu are speedy player but Lomu is a physical player, Ronaldo is not.. so speed and weight is related and weight is related to balance.. if Ronaldo has both i call him as a perfect player coz he has both speed and balance .. edit: i don agree that most player is diver too,unless it's with a very solid evidence that he fall without any contact,otherwise i'll just take it as part of modern football.if he can get awarded with something after a certain fall without contact, i'll just blame it on the referee This post has been edited by akRia: Jun 21 2007, 02:00 PM |
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Jun 21 2007, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(akRia @ Jun 21 2007, 01:57 PM) why so overreacted???i think mosntar's point apply on ALL player but not focusing on ronaldo.FYI , cars are build from steel, we can adjust our body according to our will and limit,have u seen car that can move the wheel 270degree according to the driver?im not saying ronaldo is diver or anything,im just saying u compare a car which running at average 270km/h and a man at around 50-60km/h is pointless.so maxizanc u cannot go jogging in normal road with small stone/hump/tree/anything ? coz u will fall so easy whenever u step/hit/block by a something which man can ran at 50km/h??edit: i don agree that most player is diver too,unless it's with a very solid evidence that he fall without any contact,otherwise i'll just take it as part of modern football.if he can get awarded with something after a certain fall without contact, i'll just blame it on the referee 100m world record holder only can ran max 36km/h |
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Jun 21 2007, 02:27 PM
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You are missing the point of his post.
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Jun 21 2007, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jun 21 2007, 11:26 AM) Going low from the sides usually only happens when you get sidestepped and the probability of being handed off by going from the sides is very high. Hence why you see a lot of people getting handed off when they go against the man mountain that is Jonah Lomu. Hell, even the likes of Nonu, Rokococko and Umaga does that a lot. Ankle tapping is the most simple solution and is usually a last resort but it is very effective irregardless of the size of opponent the problem is the need of timing or to actually make sure you swipe the ankles. A slight swipe will you get you falling over. So yes, minimal contact when you're going at full speed still get you over. Like I've said I had it done to me before cause when I used to play rugby, stopping me head on might be a bid of a problem cause I use mybody and momentum a lot to knock people over. OK. Lets continue the first and second paragraph in the Rugby thread instead.I have no idea who came up with this quote but was told to me by my rugby coach. "Football is a gentlemen's game, played by hooligans. Rugby is a hooligan's game, played by gentlemen." In the issue of takign baits, what's your take on Gerrard's winning the penalty against Sheffield in both games?? As for Stevie, I think he overreacted to the challenges. I wasn't the happiest when we got the penalty. Of course, I still love Stevie mainly because of my heavily tinted red glasses. QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 21 2007, 12:05 PM) You obviously havent been watching manutd matches No. You think I am that free? Go around watching compilations of Ronaldo diving. Mate I have better things to do. i bet all you watch were news reports and video compilations of how much ronaldo is a 'cheater' bla bla bla' to add to all that , of all of ronaldo's past dives , he NEVER ONCE feign injury to get others sent off , unlike some others no point i continue here , bye Bold: Ermm, winky winky? What I am trying to say is, defending a diver by saying he is just too fast has has no balance is plain stupid. Yes, they would lose balance, but flying like he just got hit by a truck? No way. PS: I am not talking about Ronaldo only. Fans of CR, don't be so sensitive. |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:32 PM
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Without a doubt, most fans would always defend their own players and I will never deny that fact exists inside my heart. However, having a diver or a cheater or a deceiver or whatever you guys call it in a team is not something to be proud off. I'm surprised to see something like 'CR maybe a diver but he is the Player of the Year'. It just shows that how shallow and how desperate we are nowadays to own a year long of bragging rights.
As for my opinion about a car's balance, yes it does affect when you're driving fast especially when the engine is in the middle of the car where it will upset the traction more whenever slowing down or just a slight contact. But it has nothing to do with a player's traction where a car's balance is upset based on the weight distribution to the front or side tires whereas a player's pace has nothing to do with what you've stated. |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jun 21 2007, 03:32 PM) Without a doubt, most fans would always defend their own players and I will never deny that fact exists inside my heart. However, having a diver or a cheater or a deceiver or whatever you guys call it in a team is not something to be proud off. I'm surprised to see something like 'CR maybe a diver but he is the Player of the Year'. It just shows that how shallow and how desperate we are nowadays to own a year long of bragging rights. Like I said before, I was appalled the Gerrard dived against Hungary and it's not something I condone. I hated Diouf for the very same reason. I agree with you on the bold bit though. It's the reason I don't go over the top when we win because of a dodgy decision. It's part of the game but I'd much rather win it fair and square. QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jun 21 2007, 03:32 PM) As for my opinion about a car's balance, yes it does affect when you're driving fast especially when the engine is in the middle of the car where it will upset the traction more whenever slowing down or just a slight contact. But it has nothing to do with a player's traction where a car's balance is upset based on the weight distribution to the front or side tires whereas a player's pace has nothing to do with what you've stated. I see your experience in street shootouts has come in handy. Let me know the next time here is an open track day at Sepang mate. |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:43 PM
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i laugh a lot when i saw a news cliping from STAR newspaper showing C.ronaldo with diving pose and diving underwear with MU crest. so funny. they really make it funny
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Jun 21 2007, 03:49 PM
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ok.. i cant stand this.. have to post it anyway.. why only look at my F1 car comparison.. is it just because i posted the Kubica car accident.. eh dont need to write a long post responding to my F1 car comparison la.. if u read what i tried too say in the beginning, my point is speed and balance and weight are related to each other.. that's all. and i know u not talking about Ronaldo only.. i realize that..
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Jun 21 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 21 2007, 03:40 PM) Like I said before, I was appalled the Gerrard dived against Hungary and it's not something I condone. I hated Diouf for the very same reason. I agree with you on the bold bit though. It's the reason I don't go over the top when we win because of a dodgy decision. It's part of the game but I'd much rather win it fair and square. I suppose you do know that some of the Liverpool fans actually would like to have someone like CR. Guess football has evolved, from a man's game to a girl's game where players fall down easily without considering his or should I put it this way, her pride and ego. And I'm not saying that CR is a serial diver. Diouf in my opinion was worse than the current portuguese winger.I see your experience in street shootouts has come in handy. Let me know the next time here is an open track day at Sepang mate. I do remember that there're pacey but not so strong players who has the ability to dribble past opponents without going down easily such as John Barnes, Steve Macca, Owen and many more, I'm only stating these players as I pay more attention towards Liverpool. I thought Thierry Henry was decent too although he did dive b4 but not frequent enough to be consider a diver. These players aren't heavyweight, Michael Owen especially. This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Jun 21 2007, 03:56 PM |
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Jun 21 2007, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 21 2007, 02:24 PM) which man can ran at 50km/h?? im just giving out example for a point which u obviously miss it and u picking bones from egg.like what duke red posted,i really hope 21 behind your nick is your IQ,or else i will feel bad for treating u a idiot.100m world record holder only can ran max 36km/h QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jun 21 2007, 03:49 PM) ok.. i cant stand this.. have to post it anyway.. why only look at my F1 car comparison.. is it just because i posted the Kubica car accident.. eh dont need to write a long post responding to my F1 car comparison la.. if u read what i tried too say in the beginning, my point is speed and balance and weight are related to each other.. that's all. and i know u not talking about Ronaldo only.. i realize that.. brother maxizanc okla let's stop talking about ronaldo time to give the all this rivalry a break btw,i feel like its more about reflextion and action taken towards incoming tackle,sometimes a very good dribbler (yea ,the best at the moment,u know who i mean ) can really dodge those tackle and scored with a screamer,but thats only when they are really in good form.just like messi dribble pass 5defender. ps: i still dont mind diving,part of the game,apply to all players without considering club. |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:43 PM
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diving is good!!
well it applies when a team really needs a result anyways... |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:44 PM
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i rate ronaldo as the better diver. he always gets the penalty.
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Jun 21 2007, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Jun 21 2007, 11:43 PM) diving is good!! Diving is good?? What a load of bull. It's wrong and should neevr be done irregardless of the situation.well it applies when a team really needs a result anyways... QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jun 21 2007, 11:44 PM) i rate ronaldo as the better diver. he always gets the penalty. Here we go again, a Chelski fan saying Ronaldo is a worse diver, we'll have a Man United fan saying Drogba is the better on. It'll just go round and round. |
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Jun 22 2007, 02:15 AM
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QUOTE(akRia @ Jun 21 2007, 04:25 PM) brother maxizanc okla let's stop talking about ronaldo time to give the all this rivalry a break btw,i feel like its more about reflextion and action taken towards incoming tackle,sometimes a very good dribbler (yea ,the best at the moment,u know who i mean ) can really dodge those tackle and scored with a screamer,but thats only when they are really in good form.just like messi dribble pass 5defender. ps: i still dont mind diving,part of the game,apply to all players without considering club. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Jun 22 2007, 02:27 AM |
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Jun 22 2007, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(akRia @ Jun 21 2007, 04:25 PM) ps: i still dont mind diving,part of the game,apply to all players without considering club. I think that's the problem these days. Too many people accept diving as being part of the game. Is there a difference between diving and pretending to be injured? Both are done with the intention to deceive and benefit unfairly. |
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Wahlau, this thread is getting VERY technical
End of the day, most of us hates diving (those of the non-contact but can fly a few meters and rolling on gound type) The F1 example is taking the theory abit too extreme. That being said - the faster you run, the less traction / grip and stability you'll have on your feet hence it'll be easier to tumble when there is contact. How much force is need is open to interpretation .Diving is a BIG problem and an ugly part of the game that can be stemed out IF players are better educated and the penalties more severe. It would also help if the manager do not tell you hit the deck everytime someone guards you or you're in the peno area. |
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Jun 22 2007, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 20 2007, 04:18 PM) diving is an art. anybody got comment on this?those who perfect it should not be criticised. its part of the skills in footballing. conclusion diving and referee caught : you suck diving and referee believe you : you rock my stand is: if you wanna cheat, dont get caught. do it properly. although its not the cleanest of stand , but its applies to real life scenarios as well. |
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Jun 22 2007, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 22 2007, 12:33 PM) anybody got comment on this? Yes, diving should be dealt with severely. Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right. I disagree with everything you've said on diving. |
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Jun 22 2007, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 22 2007, 12:40 PM) Yes, diving should be dealt with severely. Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right. I disagree with everything you've said on diving. I'm 100% with you on this. Winning is everything BUT to win it in a dirty way by cheating leaves a foul taste in my mouth especially if it's my team. |
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Jun 22 2007, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 22 2007, 12:40 PM) Yes, diving should be dealt with severely. Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right. I disagree with everything you've said on diving. QUOTE(JonC @ Jun 22 2007, 12:47 PM) I'm 100% with you on this. Winning is everything BUT to win it in a dirty way by cheating leaves a foul taste in my mouth especially if it's my team. im looking back at how terrible my mentality is |
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 22 2007, 12:33 PM) anybody got comment on this? since u asking... IMO if lets say half of those in our society hav such mindset, we're farked. |
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Jun 25 2007, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Jun 22 2007, 12:52 PM) since u asking... IMO if lets say half of those in our society hav such mindset, we're farked. which is why corruption exists in our world. |
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 22 2007, 12:33 PM) anybody got comment on this? I'll rather lose with pride. |
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Jun 29 2007, 05:24 AM
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thread shud be better with vids.
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Jun 29 2007, 06:16 AM
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the protugese are really gud at diving.. why r? mayb it's part of their training routine.. shame shame..
Added on June 29, 2007, 6:18 amwud like to add another funny dive vid.. This post has been edited by arjenayai: Jun 29 2007, 06:28 AM |
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QUOTE(ryanso85 @ Dec 4 2006, 02:29 PM) i would say dive is part of the game nowaday... did owen and henry dive b4? plz enlighten me1 day later u will c 1 of the best footballer in the world dive oso js like rivaldo..he likes to act n oso he like to dive many players did dive in the past js tat we never focus on this my 2cent |
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Jul 18 2007, 08:06 AM
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owen i dunno, henry numerous times
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Jul 18 2007, 01:24 PM
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nobody mentioned about arjen robben? he was one of the best diver in epl.
darn! diving kill the game! |
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Jul 18 2007, 02:29 PM
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Ronaldo and Drogba.
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Aug 15 2007, 04:08 AM
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The survey didn't mention 'Who dive the most in EPL Season 2005/2006 minus WorldCup2006, minus FA Cup, minus League Cup,minus Friendlies and minus diving into swimmimg pool or scuba outings'.
don't get carried away with all these ... but it will great if somebody did count and has the statistics of the divers. then we know who is the most and the best DK. great info as can get points in Yahoo Fantasy league for getting a foul. |
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Aug 15 2007, 08:51 AM
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It's a matter of perception mate. If there were only one answer, we'd have nothing to discuss.
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Aug 15 2007, 04:40 PM
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Arsenal players?
Quote Fulham... |
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Aug 15 2007, 04:48 PM
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yeah we already know who dives the most lah
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Aug 15 2007, 04:57 PM
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Goalkeeper Dived the Most..when saving ball and BALLSS..
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QUOTE(idevonz @ Aug 15 2007, 04:48 PM) yeah we already know who dives the most lah Yea, I know who he is. Winker. |
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QUOTE(ijamz @ Aug 15 2007, 04:57 PM) Goalkeeper Dived the Most..when saving ball and BALLSS.. good point btw, i feel sadly its gonna be c.ronaldo.. but sometimes u guys must understand, at his speed, a little touch can bring him down.. |
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Aug 15 2007, 04:40 PM) Arsenal players? Quote Fulham... QUOTE(idevonz @ Aug 15 2007, 04:48 PM) yeah we already know who dives the most lah QUOTE(jdreamer @ Aug 15 2007, 05:07 PM) Yea, I know who he is. because u guys hate arsenal, enuff said.Winker. some people say diving is an art, some say cheat, its part of the game. no matter how bad it is, those player will still do it and get paid higher than u. |
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Aug 15 2007, 05:07 PM) Yea, I know who he is. lolwutWinker. The post you entered in was too short. You must have at least 10 character(s) in your post before it will get posted. |
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Aug 15 2007, 09:38 PM
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i think we should differentiate who dive the most and gets the foul or who dives the most but gets nothing.
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Chelsea players coz Mourinho taught them
and CR7 too |
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Aug 15 2007, 10:53 PM
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11,092 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: Melbourne
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QUOTE(papabear @ Aug 15 2007, 09:21 PM) because u guys hate arsenal, enuff said. Omgness, there's another winker in Arsenal? I'm talking about that winker. Which winker are you talking about? some people say diving is an art, some say cheat, its part of the game. no matter how bad it is, those player will still do it and get paid higher than u. |
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Aug 15 2007, 11:26 PM
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4,150 posts Joined: Mar 2006
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Nah, surely he must be talkign about the perfectionist of the "Electric Head Jolt" dive, one Didier Drogba.
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Aug 16 2007, 12:15 AM
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1,290 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: Shah Alam
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where's joe cole eh?
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Aug 16 2007, 12:33 AM
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4,150 posts Joined: Mar 2006
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QUOTE(idevonz @ Aug 16 2007, 12:15 AM) where's joe cole eh? Already in the pool with Diouf and AJ. |
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Aug 16 2007, 12:46 AM
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3,413 posts Joined: Dec 2006 From: Damansara
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How about the new signings this season? Any candidates?
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Apr 27 2008, 09:39 PM
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29 posts Joined: Aug 2006
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ronaldo vs drogba in diving !!!
rooney ? so obvious |
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Apr 27 2008, 09:54 PM
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4,453 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: La Masia
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all listed player should follow Etoo `s fairplay game last week,still standing even Rio hit him very hard and he can easily get penalty if he go down
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Apr 27 2008, 10:18 PM
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3,602 posts Joined: Jan 2003
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damn! did i see Thierry Henry in that picture too? together with those divers?
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Apr 27 2008, 11:06 PM
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1,119 posts Joined: Apr 2008 From: neverneverland
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QUOTE(whirlwind @ Apr 27 2008, 11:18 PM) damn! did i see Thierry Henry in that picture too? together with those divers? the oscar goes to ronaldo..runners up i would say drogba... |
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Apr 28 2008, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(whirlwind @ Apr 27 2008, 10:18 PM) damn! did i see Thierry Henry in that picture too? together with those divers? Henry is just the referee..huhu |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:20 PM
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1,971 posts Joined: Oct 2004
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bias mode on:
Ronaldo's "dive" always got contact. Maybe he's the kind of player who easily falls down |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:21 PM
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3,092 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: |{µð£ð £µmPµ®
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droga and ronaldo share the spoilt.
considering his big ang muscular size, i just can't believe drogba goes down easily. even rafa benitez has compiled his 'diving' videos...... |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:24 PM
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747 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: malacca n cheras
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drogba ftw
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Apr 28 2008, 07:26 PM
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1,274 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah...
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QUOTE(vutsi @ Apr 28 2008, 01:24 PM) drogba ftw huhuhu same goes for me... |
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Apr 28 2008, 07:58 PM
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3,602 posts Joined: Jan 2003
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yeah, hate drogba
can you imagine an elephant dive? hahahahaha |
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Apr 29 2008, 03:02 AM
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617 posts Joined: Apr 2007 From: You Kay?
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the man in TS's avatar dives quite a lot too
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Apr 29 2008, 10:20 AM
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voted for drogba
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Apr 29 2008, 10:27 AM
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950 posts Joined: Aug 2006
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where is gerrard?
i tod he did dive....but given he is an english ppl does not book him? i think he did dive lately in the game. |
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Apr 29 2008, 10:33 AM
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1,573 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Nilai, Negeri Sembilan
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Apr 29 2008, 03:02 AM) the man in TS's avatar dives quite a lot too that is not diving. that is called taking advantage of a certain situation. haha. |
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Apr 29 2008, 11:09 AM
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2,338 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: Kuching, Sarawak
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Voted for Ronaldo. I saw a few compilation of him diving, so I'm sticking my point. Yeah, I knows some of you will be whining saying he dived to avoid contact, but what i felt disgrace was when he goes around the ref to appeal. Ronaldo could the a very very good player but really have to clean up his act. This season however have been an improvement. Don't see him dived that often anymore. But still hope he could sweep out & throw that diving habit of his.
Anyway, 2nd price goes to Drogba & 3rd would be Robben |
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Apr 29 2008, 11:18 AM
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2,232 posts Joined: May 2007 From: ... around and about...
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Apr 29 2008, 10:27 AM) where is gerrard? i tod he did dive....but given he is an english ppl does not book him? i think he did dive lately in the game. QUOTE(boxsystem @ Apr 29 2008, 10:33 AM) that is not diving. that is called taking advantage of a certain situation. haha. The poll choices are outdated. We should probably update it to reflect current choices. Then Stevie G can be part of the poll la |
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Apr 29 2008, 11:35 AM
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6,112 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Earth
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To my recollection, Stevie G went down under NO contact in a friendly against one of the Balkan countries was it? This was pre-World Cup. Most of the time he does go down under minimal contact. So what constitutes diving now? Going down under minimal contact, no contact at all, or both?
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Apr 29 2008, 12:01 PM
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1,573 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Nilai, Negeri Sembilan
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That's a good point Duke. This is an issue that we should discuss on. Minimal or No contact at all that is the question. No contact definitely should be branded as diving. Minimal contact, depends on situation. If players are running as fast as Theo Walcott is, minimal contact is all that is needed to bring a player down.
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Apr 29 2008, 12:23 PM
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2,232 posts Joined: May 2007 From: ... around and about...
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Falling down when there's no contact is definitely a dive, I don't think anyone could argue otherwise. It's the minimal contact that's the subjective one and will always be contested precisely because it's subjective.
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Apr 29 2008, 12:45 PM
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Drogba won it this season, no competition at all. His dive/overreact is still the same...everytime act like some truck bang into him, just to see him running few minutes later.
Stevie still does it but at least Stevie didnt go appeal for every foul he didnt get. |
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Apr 29 2008, 12:47 PM
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468 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Penang
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i tot ronaldo is much much better compared to last time...i remembered keano will shout at him everytime he "falls"
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Apr 29 2008, 03:02 PM
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3,092 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: |{µð£ð £µmPµ®
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QUOTE(cchanmt @ Apr 29 2008, 12:47 PM) i tot ronaldo is much much better compared to last time...i remembered keano will shout at him everytime he "falls" he used to go down easily but he is much improves now.the big drogba is just annoying. i bet he must be a PADI diving license holder |
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Apr 29 2008, 05:51 PM
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248 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Penang
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it's hard to tell whether the players dived or not.. This post has been edited by juvenile86: Apr 29 2008, 05:52 PM |
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Apr 29 2008, 06:52 PM
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1,684 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Subang / Malacca
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Didier "DROP"ba ftw.
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Apr 29 2008, 07:14 PM
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11,151 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: russia with cash
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ronaldo ftw...no doubt about it...rofl
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Apr 30 2008, 09:11 PM
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345 posts Joined: Nov 2007
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ronaldo mayb... sumtimes he exaggarates a bit...
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Apr 30 2008, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(<Kenji> @ Apr 30 2008, 09:11 PM) ronaldo mayb... sumtimes he exaggarates a bit... actually i dont think a lil... have u seen yesterday match?? he was diving like no body business and i laugh when he got a yellow card yesterday.... |
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May 1 2008, 01:00 PM
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5,227 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Anchorage, Alaska
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i think it is drogba.... when he celebrates... hehehee... look what he did in front of the kop's faces
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May 1 2008, 01:04 PM
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948 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Bukit Antarabangsa//Ampang//Wangsa Maju//Melawati
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drogba la..
he also play ganas lor.. |
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 May 1 2008, 01:07 PM
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715 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: Jupiter
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winner=ronaldo
runner up=drogba  the reason kaka get best player,he got respect from other manager... ronaldo,even he is good or really good.. but his dive..make him bad.. |
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May 1 2008, 01:16 PM
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how bout robben ? the oscar winner in acting ... has he recovered from the bullet wound on the face ?
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May 1 2008, 03:33 PM
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5,227 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Anchorage, Alaska
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no more in EPL... went to win in la liga
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May 1 2008, 03:41 PM
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128 posts Joined: Oct 2006 From: Kuala Lumpur
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QUOTE(s|dE @ May 1 2008, 01:07 PM) winner=ronaldo Agree on kaka parts. When he win the best player, people salutes but if ronaldo wins even though he deserve it, still some will think he is not worth it.runner up=drogba the reason kaka get best player,he got respect from other manager... ronaldo,even he is good or really good.. but his dive..make him bad.. Is the attitude and respect for sportmanship. |
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May 1 2008, 04:10 PM
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339 posts Joined: Nov 2007
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Drogba and Ronaldo seems to be serious contender for this "title"
Ronaldo and Drogba both dive "very well" la, hard to decide |
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May 1 2008, 04:34 PM
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Ronaldo has cut it down, a lot. Even Graham Poll says so. Irregardless, I have never seen Ronaldo cancelled a decision to dive during the process of a dive. Drogba did that when Vidic clearly and violently headbutted his knee during the game. Drogba did his normal twist the body thingy, in ultimate pain facial expression but then managed to open one of his eyes, saw Vidic was bleeding during the mid dive and decided to cancelled his dive, mid dive. From a violent head butt to Drogba's knee let me remind you. Not that Vidic was trying to head the ball and Drogba kneed him in the face. Judging by the look of pain from Drogba's face, clearly Vidic headbutted his knee.
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May 1 2008, 05:06 PM
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5,227 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Anchorage, Alaska
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vidic lost a teeth... and got a bloody lips... dont tackle drogba lar.. gila meh... unless you are japp stam or toure or diaby... dont tackle him.. sure injured 1... look at vidic and skrytel.. all injured
did u guys see drogba drive this morning? he dive in front of the kops.. after his goal.. zzzz |
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May 1 2008, 05:14 PM
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it was good 'dive' by drogba infront of the kops after what was said by benitez
my 2 cents |
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May 1 2008, 05:46 PM
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6,112 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Earth
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Firstly, Drogba is a self confessed diver. Is what Rafa said of him wrong? You don't think he goes down a little too dramatically for a player of his size with this strength?
QUOTE "Sometimes I dive, sometimes I stand," Drogba said, before correcting himself by saying, "no, I don't dive." It's not something everyone fabricated. It's something he admits to doing. Correcting himself after having realised he made an error isn't going to change anything. How can you take offence to claims you go down a little easy if you admit to it? It's like a student who isn't particularly bright taking offence to someone calling him stupid. http://www.wamm.com/drogba-diving-storm---...l-17078537.html Secondly, it isn't " The Kops". That doesn't make sense. "The Kop" is the mainstand @ Anfield. Liverpool fans are often referred to as "Kopites". This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 1 2008, 05:49 PM |
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May 1 2008, 07:35 PM
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11,151 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: russia with cash
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in this morning game..who's the liv guy?? Babel?? who tried to dive in chelsea's penalty box..essien damn angry too see this and he's lucky that the ref decided not to book him....
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May 1 2008, 08:00 PM
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5,227 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Anchorage, Alaska
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reds/red/kop/kops/kopites... same lar... we slaugter all XD jk jk... i am speaking like a true fanboy
yea....drogba sometimes...he's brought down thats real... but the expression on his face is fake... but now no1 dares to bring him down.. or not kena kaw kaw |
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May 2 2008, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(hfmea @ May 1 2008, 07:35 PM) in this morning game..who's the liv guy?? Babel?? who tried to dive in chelsea's penalty box..essien damn angry too see this and he's lucky that the ref decided not to book him.... If only the referee of your game officiates our game... |
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May 2 2008, 03:50 PM
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937 posts Joined: Mar 2005 From: malaka
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CR the most..hahaha
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May 2 2008, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ May 1 2008, 08:00 PM) reds/red/kop/kops/kopites... same lar... we slaugter all XD jk jk... i am speaking like a true fanboy Wow, coming from people who get offended when called Man U...yea....drogba sometimes...he's brought down thats real... but the expression on his face is fake... but now no1 dares to bring him down.. or not kena kaw kaw |
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May 3 2008, 02:23 AM
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373 posts Joined: Sep 2004 From: Pee Jay
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i am suprise to see ronaldo & drogba came out on top of this poll, i voted for diouf, he's really a diver, sad to say.
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