this part I always catch no balls...

why ppl always think own stay oK...can lose more money....

BUT

investment, no no....must make money.....

property is an asset lah…….and it has potential capital growth...…

you are the 1st person defy accounting law by saying property is an liability.

like that nobody will and should buy property already, incl corp and companies.

accounting 101

Property is Fixed Assets bcos it has the 'potential' in growth in value.

Liability is what you owed to 3rd party.

You need to get the above fixed in your mind 1st before sharing your thought in public forum.

Not going to debate if buy or rent....there already an existing thread in this discussion.
I never owed a housing loan for more than 10 yrs. It either been paid off or the property is sold and redeemed.

The rest too far, how about ecosky, any comment? Good?

Live life to the fullest.. only happen once..sometime ppl say follow your heart instead of brain

The Fennel will take time to improve, as with all condominiums..

JMB was just formed recently. Occupancy is fine as it is as many units are not even renovated. YTL throwing prices sucks, but those units are less desirable anyway as they're right next to the LRT track and temples. Both gyms have always been busy after working hours.

Sentul East & West is by YTL and way better located and planned than other projects deep inside Sentul Pasar or on the other side of the LRT track.

Not much point entertaining keyboard warriors that comment on almost every topic to increase their post count. Pretty clear that they have no idea what is going on nor ever went on a site visit on the properties they comment on, maybe one or two lol..

Just had a good laugh at an idiot who created a topic trying to buy a 1000sqft-ish KLCC view unit at the Capers for under 700k when there's no such thing.

How to sell when developer is now giving lower than launching price and additional carpark! Die. The offering include KLCC view units. When up there to view the units. Anyway, passed...this area, better play lower end segment as the price of 700-1mil prop sure cannot fetch good rental as the support rental level is not here.

honestly b4 we critic YTL and Fennel, few points need to take notes of:-

1. Fennels were launched during the dragon tail of bull run. Basically ppl will sapu whatever that launched bcos either worried of losing out or losing to cash in....its understandable that developer also wont want to missed out the killing moment.....which developer doesn't want to make max profit???

2. I believe the last block of Fennels (out of 4 blocks) was never launched and it was supposed to reserve for land holder of KTM or so sort. it was supposed to be their units. For some reasons now YTL is selling on behalf for them.

3 Bull run halved I believe after YTL launched the 2nd block. YTL has difficulty selling the 3rd block with high price. Now they need to sell the 4th block as well.

Hahaha, do you even know what the prices are for early birds of Fennel, especially for low floors in the first phase (Block A & D)?. Doubt so. Otherwise you wouldn't have called the Fennel a ripoff and then try to purchase the older Capers, at a higher PSF than first phase Fennel owners like myself. And that's excluding legal costs and DIBS over 54 months.

As mentioned previously, I plan to move in soon.

If price and rental is all that matters, then just buy Rafflesia Sentul. Even a fool can tell you the difference in quality of life between both condos and you get what you pay for.

Lol cowardly? It's pointless to argue over it especially under The Fennel's topic. Feel free to tag me when it happens LOL! Don't Forget KLCC VIEW! 999 sqft Capers units are low rise and facing LRT Track! 7-800ish sqft units are not close to 1000 sqft so I guess you'll be waiting for 1567sqft KLCC view units to hit 700k in 12 months. Catch my drift?

I hate to embarrass people, but if you decide to out yourself, so be it.

"under 550k and getting 2k minimum" LOL.. Easily achieved with Summer Suites 493 sqft studios(even now), especially for owners like myself who purchased early from Sunrise at under 400k. Pretty decent cap. gains as well. Plenty more examples and it's nothing to shout about especially for active property investors since 2005.

Just let time be the judge LOL..

I guess when you write yourself into a corner, you start grasping at straws and start losing comprehension of English?

READ what I wrote. I never said price and rental doesn't matter. If it's ONLY about price and rental, I could easily go for Rafflesia Sentul in the same area, launched at the same time.

But would I want to stay there? NO. Especially when I can afford it at 6XX psf  + DIBS for a unit at The Fennel. I paid extra for FREEHOLD, WAY BETTER DESIGN, LESS DENSITY PER FLOOR, BETTER DEMOGRAPHIC and "SLIGHTLY" BETTER LOCATION for OWNSTAY. Not that hard to understand. Same reason why people pay more to buy The Maple and not Sang Suria, condos are next to each other at Sentul West. Current prices and rentals are totally SECONDARY for own stayers. Only cash strapped flippers would be worried.

Is holding properties long term for ownstay such a foreign concept lol? Are there even significantly better alternatives in the same area?

"Let time be the judge" was in reference to your WTB at Capers within your timeframe, if you ever found such a unit lol. No point debating till then.

You are basically trying to rub the salt to the wound. To be fair... 9 out of 10new launches post 2013 will sharing similar fate.

Owners of many projects just keep quiet and not sharing in Forum. Many of the sharings also by 3rd party who either not vested in that development or not in property.

Owner not stupid, some bought few units, even the new phase.. especially when you know how much downpayment have to pay for every unit, definately not everyone can pay it, many want to buy but can't fork out RM80-110k cash

When you can't even understand and misinterpret "If price and rental is all that matters" ---> " price and rental doesn't matter", your English comprehension is hopelessly terrible lol. Don't blame others.

Same goes for your terrible "research" of the Capers when there's no 1000 sqft KLCC view unit., without taking into account your 700k offer.

Plenty of people own the same property for more than 10 years especially the older generation, how is that a lock down lol? Especially with 5% RPGT.

Till now, no one can suggest a better alternative to the Fennel to stay, that's as close to KL, walkable to LRT & KTM, freehold, walking distance to shops, good density, "iconic" design at the price of under 700psf.

Not a bad buy, but what is better?lol

Advertisement price attract you to call and actual price is different.

"Looking for a place to rent from next month, anywhere near LRT/MRT and is a large studio or 2 bedroom unit if possible. Serviced condo preferable. Partly furnished is okay. 2 car parks needed.

Local Msian, for my own stay and fiance. Pls PM me if you have a unit. Thanks."

For your requirements maybe can consider dual key studio unit with the tandem carpark..RM1400-1600 for studio unit, RM200-250 for tandem carpark..

Oh my god, you wanna go back to square one and now claim there's better props than Fennel for own stay as per what I listed?

Are you that simple minded that there are props for ownstay and props for rental?

Let me name another one I own. Titiwangsa Sentral, purchased for less than 500k subsale, FREEHOLD, 2.6k-2.9k rental for the past 5+ years. Will I stay there? HELL NO.

You're free to make whatever posts on Lowyat. Including nonsense topics to buy non existent units at Capers, funnily right next to Fennel. Don't complain when people mock your level of intelligence then.

Yet up till now you have offered no examples of props that VPed recently that can offer 1000 sqft+, good ownstay experience, good rental and price appreciation, freehold and close to amenities+ public transport+KL, at less than 700psf. Should be easy in comparison with a lousy and ripoff condominium like The Fennel, right?

Lol, and yet you can't still name even one. Better or worst.

Too many armchair critics, too few actual owners and investors on Lowyat.

HAHAHA no one asked for thousands..just ONE of "MANY" in your "expert" opinion, better than the Fennel. Probably too afraid of scrutiny.

At this point, its pretty pointless to debate how "bad" the Fennel without substance backing up your argument. 

One year again lol...For both Capers & Fennel.