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mucklampir
post Dec 10 2006, 07:17 PM

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ziyi is like pak lah running from TDM's question. just kidding


neway i'm interested with medic insurance but totally no idea bout it. wat differentiate between every medic insurance? is it cover all type of sickness? is it onli cover hospital bil or also compensate for disability cause by the sickness? if any agent here could provide ur package (without giving the package name) here so we can discuss it..

oh yes onother question. for the same package, is everybody need to pay the same amount or depends on condition too. i mean, if i'm working in industry which expose to dangerous chemicals everyday, should i pay more becoz of the more risk involve?





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post Dec 11 2006, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Zarth @ Dec 11 2006, 02:21 AM)
Most basic medical insurance currently in the market would only cover the cost involved in hospitalization and surgical fees such as Room & Board, Pre & Post Hospitalization cost, Emergency evacuation cost. etc. Meaning they only cover the bills, no extra pocket money.

Its best not to post any products here as this is discussion forum not a place to advertise. However, I've sent you the info you need in your pm.

There's just so many products out there with newer ones coming out every now and then with slight differences and benefits. There might be those can give you extra income, but it would probably be a packaged product where you pay more.

To help you decide better, ask yourself what are the things you value in a product? A trusted brand? A well established company with a long and good history in the industry? Most of the time its simply because of the trusted agent.

About your second question, yes you're right. If you're a healthy person with no family history of illnesses, then you pay the normal rate any other person within your same age bracket enjoys. If you already have say a previous illness and would still like some cover in case any other illnesses arise, you could still buy. Insurers will evaluate your situation and depending on how risky it is, they could either decline you, exclude certain coverage or you would have to pay additional premium loading.

Regarding the profession you're in, yes the risk involved dictates whether you have to pay more or not. The basic thumb rule is divided into 4 classes. Class 1 and 2 are the ones whom are mostly working in office environments, Class 1 stays indoors most of the time while Class 2 goes out to do fieldwork once in a while. Class 3 and 4 are the ones that are working in non-office environments. Egs. of Class 3 are drivers, plant and factory workers while Class 4 are such as construction workers and maybe an ambulance driver. There's also special conditions involved if you're a professional sportsmen like a F1 driver or a Footballer.

Hope this answers your queries. smile.gif
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yeahhh that's help. thankss..

so during the process, i need to give them my medical report so they can evaluate my condition? for the profession class, is there any subclass for every class?



dreamer101,

for medical insurance, how much is too much? should be below 5% from salary? is it wise to pay more to maximise tax relief (medic insurance = up to3k relief)









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post Dec 11 2006, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(ZiyiIsmyIdol @ Dec 11 2006, 11:20 AM)
Let's compare....
My company's term life for my age 200k coverage (including TPD) is RM766 a year. RM 608 (excluding TPD).

So that's 766/3.8 = USD201
608/3.8 = USD160

Anyone knows USA Term assurance premium?
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wat tpd?
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post Dec 11 2006, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 11 2006, 12:40 PM)
mucklampir,

<<for medical insurance, how much is too much? should be below 5% from salary?>>

Are you old or young??  How old are you?  How much savings do you have??

Your goal is to buy as little insurance as possible.  If you have ENOUGH savings, you may want to focus on buying critical illness insurance and pay your normal medical expenses without insurance.

<<is it wise to pay more to maximise tax relief (medic insurance = up to3k relief)>>

Normally, tax savings is NOT a big deal in Malaysia since our tax rate is low unless  you have annual salary of greater than 100K.

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dreamer,

25 just start my career. i should say i don have saving yet..

rule of thumb is to buy little insurance as possible. how if one day i realise that i need more coverage. could i just upgrade it(is it possible)? or just buy another insurance with better policy?



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post Dec 11 2006, 12:50 PM

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any insurance agent,

can tell more about the critical illness insurance. is it more expensive?
mucklampir
post Dec 12 2006, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 11 2006, 09:52 PM)
Make sure you have 3 to 6 months of expense in savings first before we talk about insurance. 

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yeah sure smile.gif


QUOTE(Zarth @ Dec 12 2006, 11:25 AM)
Most singles don't really have much savings, so you're not the only one my friend.

As to the opinion of buying as little insurance, that is a Highly Personal Decision and definitely NOT any rule of thumb.

Cause at the end of the day, if something unforeseen were to befall you, and you bought as little insurance as you could, who will suffer? You or the person who told you to buy as little as possible. Will he be willing to give you the money to pay for your expenses or will it be the insurance company?

If I were to offer you Free Insurance, would you want to have as much insurance as possible? Definitely, right? But the fact is Insurance is also a business, and we do not ask you to pay exorbitant amounts of money and then give you peanuts coverage. Instead, we take only a fraction and give you a greater amount of coverage than you yourself normally wouldn't be able to afford or have.

All I'm saying here is to purchase based on what You yourself feel that You Need and  can Afford. Who is to say that it is wrong to spend 10-15% of your salary on insurance? As long as you feel you want it and can afford it. Some people whom do not believe would probably tell you that, on the other hand some whom have seen the great benefits of it would tell you otherwise.

When you yourself feel that whatever you have is good enough for you, then you can have peace of mind and not worry about the consequences of an unforseen situation. There's also a fine line between what You Want and what you Need. You might want that BMW but do you actually need it? But you insist on getting it because it is what you want.

Situations does change over time, and yes you can upgrade it or purchase a new policy. That is why a good agent will help you realise that and explain to you the details to make sure you understand, they will service you for life and be a lifelong friend.
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yeah agree, that's why i follow dis topic closely



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post Dec 12 2006, 06:55 PM

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anybody wan to talk bout critical illness package?
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post Dec 14 2006, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(ohayogozaimas @ Dec 14 2006, 06:52 PM)
Hmm.. After reading so much.. A little bit blur... And i think dreamers should actually migrate to USA.. Since you like there so much... We have to accept the facts that the definition of total and permanent disability between these 2 country are differents... Insurance company do their research before they publish their products.. Of course this products might oni suit MAJORITY of malaysian.. some MINORITY, i suggest they move to USA.. Or if u want malaysia to have such kind of insurance.. Form and insurance company with that kind of benefit... If that is a success then congrat.... Insurance company is also a company making BUSINESS.. and making MONEY.. it is just like any other company out there...
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i recall dreamer said the difference is due to the lack of competition. maybe one day our insurance industry also can achieve the same maturity smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2007, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Civil @ Jan 7 2007, 12:22 PM)
Let me list down the PA Benefits here for you to understand more about the policy. Most of the company offer almost the same benefits, but the premium might be differ.

Accidental Death Benefit
Pays the capital sum in the event of accidental death

Partial and Permanent Disability

Pays up to the capital sum as per schedule

Medical Reimbursement
Reimburse medical expenses up to the sum insured inclusive of hospital room and board,clinical,outpatient andsurgical treatment

Weekly Indemnity

Pays up to 104 weeks if the insured is totally unable to attend to his work as certifiedby a registered medical practitioner

Broken bones/Burns

Pays up to RM20k as per schedule

Physician Benefit

An additional medical benefit up to RM500 to cover treatments by acupuncturist, bonesetter,chiropractor, osteopath & pysiotherapist. ( Provided the first consultation is by registered medical practitioner).

Daily Hospital Income'
A daily hospital income up to RM130 per accident ( max.180 days)

Renewal Bonus

10% renewal bonus on accidental sum asured a year up to 50% maximum

Ambulance Fees

Pays ambulance fees incurred consequent upon accident up to rm200 per accident

Death Benefit ( Any Cause )

Death benefit up to RM60k is payable in the event of death

EXCLUSIONS

War, civil war, terrorism, AIDS and diseases including dengue fever, Japanese Encephalitis, childbirth, miscarriage, provoke murder or assault, travelling as an aircratf crew, aerial activities, martial arts, racing, radiation, nuclear weapons material and intoxication by alcohol and drugs
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is there any pure disability insurance which onli cover disablity and not others?

QUOTE(Civil @ Jan 8 2007, 11:22 PM)
I also have few question for dreamer tongue.gif

1. Have you bought any life insurance in Malaysia?

2. If yes, what type of policy you have?
    If no, why?
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i think he onli have CI insurance

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 11 2006, 09:52 PM)
Make sure you have 3 to 6 months of expense in savings first before we talk about insurance. 

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post Jan 15 2007, 07:28 PM

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to whom may concern,

wat is the limit protection for pa? can just choose 1 milion ringgit coverage when annual income onli 10k? blush.gif

medical card cover bill for sickness onli or also include accident?

wat 'full reimbursement' mean? no need to pay at all or pay first then claim later?


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post Jan 19 2007, 10:32 AM

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just bought insurance. i feel great becoz i know wat i buy(compared to some of my friends who paid life insurance 200 per month onli to know they will receive big money after 20 years). i bought 3 separate pa, medic card and CI+life insurance which cover around 200k for each and cost me total 2k per annum. many thanks for those educate me here especially to dreamer and zarth. i've learn many thing during my quest for suitable insurance

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 17 2007, 10:22 PM)
ohayogozaimas,

3) Read the salary thread.  There are people that save 1K per month with RM 2k per month salary.  Are you telling me, this kind of people cannot survive?

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i earn 2.5k and save 1k per month. i no doubt i can survive in the long run. by next 10 years i'm sure i can self insured. wat disturbed me is wat happen before i reach the point. i wont feel like that if i have rich famili who can support me. and i dont want to gamble my future

QUOTE(ohayogozaimas @ Jan 18 2007, 01:13 PM)
Hmmm.. I wonder...What if the people... Start working for 1 year.. then diagnosed with CI? I wonder will the bank save him or the insurance save him? what happened to the hospitalization fees and the living expenses after that? If you claim that you company did give u that benefit.. Fine... And please check with you company, what hospitalisation benefit doyou have.. And how much is it? I wonder how much one operation need? For some illneses you even need 2 to 3 operation. You are now healthy that is why u said all this... Insurance is like a parachute... When you need it and you don't have it... You won't need it again. 
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thats the reason. i don want single event destroy my hope, my future. if i cant strive, my last hope is not burden my poor famili

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post Jan 20 2007, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 20 2007, 10:22 AM)


Regarding, the overbought insurance previous forumer mentioned. The insurance company will 'value' your based on some methods of calculation so even you bought RM10 million of coverage of life insurance but they won't pay Rm10 million when you are dead, they will only pay you the value that justify your worth. So overbought insurance serves no purpose.
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the valuation given during the application process or when the person die?
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post Jan 22 2007, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(jhan_ong @ Jan 22 2007, 03:29 PM)
Hi all

i am new bie here and interested in this thread
am i welcomed to join here ?
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not welcome tongue.gif
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post Jan 24 2007, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(jhan_ong @ Jan 23 2007, 06:40 PM)
even not welcomed but still wanna join biggrin.gif

say hi to all big brother and big sister here~

i am from GE and looking around here to see there is anything i can learn or help biggrin.gif
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so u r from great eastern? usually how long does it take for medical card application?
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post Jan 24 2007, 05:30 PM

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jhan_ong,

how about CI? does it take up to 1 week also? up to 1 week mean the longest time need onli 1 week and couldn't be more?


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post Jan 24 2007, 05:47 PM

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opss maybe i gave wrong question. wat i need to know is not the enforcement waiting period but the time from application+payment till approval+receive policy


p/s- is there any insurance company with bad reputation in malaysia? just wan to know smile.gif

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post Jan 24 2007, 06:08 PM

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wat is the problem if apply for 2 medical card with different company besides cannot double claim?
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post Jan 25 2007, 01:29 PM

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if have 2 medic card, which one to claim first? will they argue to avoid to be selected one?

already 2 weeks apply for medic card but still no answer. just think of to register from other company la. to apply also take too long, wat will happen when want to claim when something happens. should take years cry.gif


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post Jan 25 2007, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(jhan_ong @ Jan 25 2007, 02:43 PM)
depend on which one u wanna claim from. there will be no argument unless your agent no wanna serve u  biggrin.gif 

which company do you apply from ?  did you ask ur agent whether the policy already in force or not ?

your medical card might be in force already but still havent deliver to u!
normally it just take a week to to make claim lah
but i am not sure about other insurance companies.
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MAA.. i called the agent yesterday but she said it still not approved yet. not approved should mean not in force yet i guess.

neway wat's ur personal view for MAA? i give another week. if they still not contact me, i will change to other company sweat.gif can get back full payment eh?





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post Jan 25 2007, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(jhan_ong @ Jan 25 2007, 05:28 PM)
yeah .... you ar right ~
maybe your agent past up the policy late .... so your pollicy is still waiting to be approved or maybe you had any medical records before so it take the company sometimes to approve you  biggrin.gif 

hmm.gif  ... i know not much about MAA so cant really give u any ideas.
give me sometimes to study this company background, i will feedback to you.

you still can cancel your policy and get back your premium within 30 days after being in force .
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then i can just apply for 2 medic card and dump one of it before end of waiting period yawn.gif

feedback me later if any smile.gif



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