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 INSURANCE TALK, ok let start

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post Aug 13 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(maggi @ Aug 13 2013, 08:48 AM)
will the individual plan be more costly than the group ? i really like to see the comparison  nod.gif 

which brand are u suggesting ... .thx  wink.gif
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Of course individual plan is more costly compare to the group. Believe me it's a big gap differences.

Any plans from any insurance company will do if it's fit in your requirement because all payout are according to the policy in hand.

Example.
If your friend's company is big enough, he may suggest to his employees:-
option 1. all employee to get individual plan.
option 2, if opt1 too costly, try have a meeting with employee to get individual but with certain percentage of subsidy from the company.
option 3. if opt1 & 2 costly, then may think of this, all executive level get individual plan only, and the rest get group.
option 4, if above all still costly, then don't think too much, just get group insurance.
option 5, if all above is out of budget, then pray hard nothing happen to your friend's employees. tongue.gif
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post Aug 14 2013, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 14 2013, 05:13 PM)
is this a good product?  https://www.hlatouch.my/en/details?id=1

Term Cash Refund
There will be no loss to you. Every cent of premium paid will be returned*.

An affordable life insurance plan to protect you throughout the duration of the coverage and we will return you the premiums paid* when the policy expires. With premium from as low as        RM 1.33 per day, this plan pays a lump sum benefit upon the occurrence of Death or Total and Permanent Disability. The benefit payable on accidental death will be an additional 4 times of the sum assured. Upon maturity, we will return 100% of the premiums paid* over the years
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So many questionmarks to understand this product. Take the highest plan (Package 1), This is strictly PA plan which cover TPD=RM100k, PA death=RM400k.
1. If insured person died not due to accident, insured get nothing?
2. what if insured person lost of 1 leg? any jackpot?
2. rm1.33 per day based on age below 1. what about 40? or 59?
3. Let say insured age 45 now, and maturity of this plan is 15 yrs. how much would insured person got refunded?


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post Aug 16 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(mcfeemo @ Aug 16 2013, 10:49 AM)
I really like your advises.. Really make sense notworthy.gif
I shall call u sifoo from now on icon_idea.gif
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In most developed country, medical coverage is a must as malaysia medical is going up crazily every year but still cheap compare to lots of developed countries. Buying insurance must first thing in mind that anything happen must try to rescue or safe, and nobody will think of dead and wanta claim it. I feel that really funny when parents bought life insurance for their kids, indirectly sounds like they wish their kids die and to hit the jackpot for themselves. I thought most parents if anything happens to their kids will surely bring their kid(s) to the best doctor or better medication. If so then should get medical coverage for them and vice versa. Just my concern. =)

They are some insurance do provide medical coverage+PA in the market. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 17 2013, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 17 2013, 10:40 AM)
Just to share - since i've gone through several hospitalization insurances for my new born recently.

Findings (based on $200K/yr in-patient coverage + $200K/life out-patient coverage, with total life time limit of $1.25M):
1. holy cow.. if i keep paying the yearly premium, i'd have paid $750K+ to $780K+ for age 0 to 99 years old.

2. Premiums jump HUGE at age 64-66 onwards

3. Age 0 to 5 is the most expensive,
then it goes down
and up again till 40s+ when the premium goes back up to similar to 0 to 5 years old cost.
Cost here is in simple terms, not inflated pa%.

Thus, bottom line - whoever that says insurance is a MUST, U may want to think again on achieving enough or more than enough to self insure. Insurance is just risk transference AT A COST
Think lar - insurance companies are profit oriented - U transfer risk to them, U think they dont add admin cost + profits before charging back to U?

Mind U - IMHO, insurance is needed to manage risk until one can manage / self insure. I'm not saying insurance is a bad thing or not needed at all.
Ahem.. to arguers stating we need insurance to drive a car, alo use brain lar - i'm talking about optional insurance lar, not Gov required ones.  shakehead.gif
Yes yes - i can read your minds <U know who U are> tongue.gif
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That's the exact graph used by insurance company to manage every risk at age range. Another guideline is based on their customers age group in hands. The most the clients on certain age group, the risk will be sharing or calculated with cheaper premium including the agents' commission.

Foreigners most don't buy life insurance. They mostly invest in property or have nothing at all due to their citizenship benefits almost covers everything for them including retirement and jobless. Let say if anything happens to them, they don't worry much as the government will take care of their family. Maybe that's the main reason they hardly buy insurance for themselves.

In Malaysia, government hardly encourage nation to invest or wealth control but encourage them to loan and spend. Foreign countries (Singapore, Hkg, Taiwan, US, Europe, Aus, NZ n etc) force their nations to get medical protection as risk manage and control especially at old age.

Of course car insurance is a must in our country, that's why anything happen on the road will be taking care by insurance. Since government have been voiced up on government hospital cost and budget are arising rapidly each year. Government now implementing deduction of 10% from your saving for medical coverage and medication cost together with all medicines and drugs will only can get from pharmacy especially cosway farmasi. Surely this is just the preliminary stages to cut down cost of drugs and surgical bills. As drugs being monopoly by DRM. Only him can supply to the GH.
This is not the issue a must, but the necessity of it. I agreed with you for self insure but not on every aspect. Example like you mentioned. I am paying rm50k to age of 80 to cover my medical coverage of rm450k annual limits. Which means when i pay rm50k and anything happens i will have rm450k to save myself better than my hard earned money of rm450k (1 house).
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post Sep 8 2013, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Sep 7 2013, 05:28 PM)
haha well that part it's not my concern afterall however like you have suggested I will ask him to review the portion on payout when surrender policy in 15th, 25th and 35th year. Wanted know as well. but less concern as well. as the coverage is above rm400k.. next week have to go do medical checkup.. it's been 5th year since i did my medical checkup. doh.gif
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What's the last age of the protection covered? 60?70?80?
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post Sep 19 2013, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(deity01 @ Sep 19 2013, 04:55 PM)
traditional life insurance wont change? i thought it will too...

and the premium of my investment linked so far hasnt changed...well suppose n it should hv chanced but the cash value preventing it to "change"..
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All types of life insurance charges will change as age increase, the only different is traditional change after 35 yrs old (normally theirs charges based on each age group, eg 36-40, 41-45). Investment linked insurance (basic) premium wont change but insurance charges mostly will increase slightly every year.
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post Sep 28 2013, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(oohay1984 @ Sep 27 2013, 11:00 AM)
i was wondering what's the point taking up the insurance/medical card if u still need to pay admission fee and if you in critical condition have to wait for agent to issued GL?? this is not right

unless im a rich ppl i dont mind spend it...somemore when come to claim part very slow service (need doc this n that and if doc not complete u cant claim)

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GL will be issues immediately through any insurance company which had a 24 hours online service regardless weekends or public holiday. You don't have to call agent for this, but some insurance company need to. Medical card shall be same function as your credit card but only use it in hospital.

Any of your medical card insured from insurance company which hire AA and SOS service, do not hassle to go through the claim as they will do it for you. Admission fees need to deposit before admission. one of the reason is to cover those bills which not covered by your medical protection.

Eg. Doctor only allow to visit patient 1 time per day, some 2 times some 3 times depends which medical card you holding.
Lets say yours only allow for 1 time per day, but you keep calling the doctor to visit you let say 4 times per day. Then the extra 3 times will be at your cost.

Eg2. Let say you are staying in a 3 stars private hospital in a single room, and there provided drinks and tit bits in the fridge and you took and have a great meal with it.
Yes, your admission fees you paid will be used to deduct such expenses as medical protection not provide for pleasure and refreshment in hospital.

Note: Do get a medical card to pay for doctor report = rm 100, and also include 6% of government tax as some insurance company wont bear that 6% (mostly happened to those co-insurance )
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post Oct 15 2013, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Oct 15 2013, 02:21 PM)
Hi LYN fellows,

I am wondering, would you prefer to have your insurance agent to be in the same region where you work or stay?

Currently, I am quite in a dilemma, one friend of mine who is an insurance agent, is from my home town and I am actually planning to get an insurance plan from her, but the thing is I stay and work in KL.

What you guys think?
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Most agents are expanding their businesses and services and they can flying anywhere in malaysia to get sales. What I am trying to say is, eventhough you get from KL agents, they might not able to serve you as well. Or how if someday you being transferred to other states? With today technology, infrastructure and improving services from insurance company, it won't having much issue on your protection and claims. Today business will never like the old days, nobody can guarantee their service is 100% efficient with time constraint. Just remember never lost your insurance policy and that's the important document which most people neglected.
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post Oct 15 2013, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Oct 15 2013, 06:35 PM)
Thanks for sharing.

what if she quits from her current job as a fill time agent and join other industry instead?
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Dont worry, quit is normal, die also normal.
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post Oct 15 2013, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(stoppy @ Oct 15 2013, 08:18 PM)
Hi,

I've purchase a ING Prime Life insurance since 2010 @ RM6k p.a. Recently my agent persuaded me to upgrade the plan esp for medical. Previously with ING my lifetime limit is RM1.2mil. Now with the upgrade, I can get unlimited lifetime limit with AIA (as AIA acquisition ING) at no additional premium paid.

Due to the rider name different from ING and AIA, she mentioned that it cannot be upgraded like this. It has to purchase a new policy, my cash value in ING can be transfer to AIA.

She added that beside the unlimited lifetime limit in medical, there is another benefit whereby AIA can offer is anniversary bonus (increase by 1% per year for 20 years, max is RM100k depend on your sum assured). In other word, total death benefit is Basic Sum Assured + Anniversary Bonus + Cash Value.

Plan that she offered:
A Life Link (up to age 100) RM600k
A Plus Critical Care (up to age 100) RM600k
A Plus Hospital Income Extra (up to age 100) RM100
A Plus Waiver Extra (up to age 100) RM6k p.a
A Plus Med (up to age 100) RM150 room board

I'm wondering whether to purchase new one and surrender old policy. I'm afraid that she is concerning her commission since my current ING policy is about 4 years (as agent will entitled 6 years of commission if i'm not mistaken), hence to persuaded to purchase new one so that she can entitle another 6 years of commission.

Appreciate advise from you guys. Thanks
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What's the point of having unlimited lifetime limits if annual limits is critical? Just focus on what kind of protection you want and your affordability.
No matter you like it or not, all insurance agents will hunger for your money to provide better services which they always highlighted. Nowadays agent won't wait for 6 years to attack you. They will strike every year with lots of funny skills and words. Do enjoy their existence.
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(ashportal @ Oct 18 2013, 11:45 AM)
Been paying for prudential BSN takaful for more than 3 years already, about rm200/mnth. Thinking of canceling the policy so i can use the monthly money for greater good. How to cancel? What are pros and cons? Please enligthen me insurance gurus
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Just bring your policy and walk in to the insurance company office (not agents' office) and go to the counter and request to surrender/cancel your insurance.

Greater good will fade off as time goes by.
Pro, you have extra cash in hand.
cons, you use your extra cash to protect yourself if unpredictable situation happens.
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(ashportal @ Oct 18 2013, 12:39 PM)
Will i get any return money? sorry for nooby question
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Surely you can, but don't expecting much properly few hundreds only. Don't worry, they will tell you about that when you canceling it.
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post Nov 18 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(carboost @ Nov 18 2013, 01:42 PM)
Anyone can advise what is the best & affordable medical plan in the market?

I'm trying to get one, but confuse the plan they offer.
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This post has been edited by freewisefly: Nov 18 2013, 02:40 PM

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