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post Jun 20 2013, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(jasonzai88 @ Jun 20 2013, 01:34 AM)
About 7 years ago, I noticed that there is one small gland near my left cheek. I scared there is anything dangerous. Then I went to general hospital to consult ear nose throat (ENT) specialist. After checking the fluids from the gland and done CT scan, the doctor said it is nothing, she said it it optional for me to remove it, she said it is some sort of extra fluids over there which is not harmful to me. Now the gland is still there, and I feel nothing with it. Until recently I am planning to buy a medical insurance from GE, after the investigation from the underwriter, they can offer me the insurance but they have to put that as an exclusion. I am not sure whether they have obtained the medical report from the previous hospital. The agent said they will appeal to see whether can ask me to go for a medical check up for the gland, if seems ok, then they can include that in the coverage. But underwriter didn't allow the request. So what should I do? Do I have to accept the insurance with exclusion? Or can I try to buy the insurace from another company such as prudential, to see whether they can accept it together with the gland which seems like nothing to me? I hope you guys can give me a proper opinion and suggestion as this will be my first insurance and I do not want to screw it up sad.gif  Thanks.
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You may ask your agent whether he has submitted MAR from your previous hospital.

Nevertheless, SOP of having benign cyst, fluid gland etc will have exclusion unless you removed it and appeal after a few years of non-recurrence with latest report.
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post Jun 22 2013, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 22 2013, 12:48 AM)
After I wrote-in to GE head office, at last my servicing agent was successfully changed to my preferred choice (different agencies) together with the agent commissions being transferred as I insisted .

Thinking of keeping my GE policy as the premium is reasonable with the following benefits:
IL CIBR (36 CI) - 200k
SEPCC (early payout for CI) - 200k
SM200 (medic card)
IL HB (hospitalisation benefits) - 200
IL PWE (premium waiver)  - 4200

My next attained age is 36. Should I add SME200 due to hike of hospital R&B?
Hi GE agents out there, may I know the daily meals are categorised as "Hospital Supplies & Services"  or under 'Room & Board'? Thank you!
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I'd recommend you to add SME because it's cheap, what's your new agent's comment on your question regarding the daily meal?
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post Jun 22 2013, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 22 2013, 03:54 PM)
He said it should be under room & board. My Prudential PMM3 has Rm300 R&B. Daily meals are under "In-Hospital & Related Service Benefit (as charged)". It is clearly stated in the policy contract.

I just read through the GE policy contract. OMG.... accommodation and meals are under R&B
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Yeap, it's under R&B, why do you OMG? blush.gif
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post Jun 22 2013, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 22 2013, 04:40 PM)
Coz Rm200 R&B sure not enough for 2 bedded room in Penang private hospitals  blink.gif
I think the daily meal for most of the old medic card is not under R&B. So the benefits are much more better albeit the lifetime limit is low.

Now I believe "what you pay is what you get".
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You may check your policy,under page 5 of 14 Smart Medic. it stated
Hospital Room and Board
Reimbursement of the Reasonable and customary Charges incurred for Medically Necessary room accommodation and meals.

As my past experience in Actuarial Department, "what you paid is what you get" always true in Insurance because all the insurance company using the same life contingencies and assumption table and we need the approval from Bank Negara Malaysia before the product is launched.

The only different would be the fund performance and background of the company and the experience+responsibility+longevity of the agent servicing you.
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post Jun 24 2013, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 22 2013, 09:39 PM)
To me food is very important coz I don't have relatives here. I can't ask my agent to bring me food everyday... Haha..

I was admitted to GMC Penang in year 2010 for minor surgery. Was there for 5 days. Using company 's group insurance. Excess claim under PMM2 without original bills. Claim is super easy and fast. That's why I trusted Prudential a lot and still keeping the old medic card.

At that time I realised medical card is the utmost important. So I sign up GE SM200 which covers until age 80 with high lifetime limit.

Under GE SM200, if R&B exceeded Rm200, the patient has to pay whooping 20% coinsurance for total bill.
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20% up to a maximum of RM3000, You may claim this co-insurance under your PMM3.

Use SM200 first then claim the remaining under PMM3.
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post Jun 25 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 24 2013, 11:05 PM)
I signup GE policy in Nov 2010 with SM200. In my policy contract, the 20% co-insurance does not come with Rm3000 capped. If the T&C or benefit has changed, does it apply to my old policy too?

I read somewhere in lowyat forum, there's a Zurich insurance agent said the 20% coinsurance is actually a penalty. So cannot transfer to a higher card (another insurer). Can Prudential agent confirm about this? I'm holding PMM2 300 medic card.
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Yes, your medical card does come with RM3000 capping. nod.gif

All the changes made will take effect for previous policy as well.
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post Jul 12 2013, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(mcfeemo @ Jul 12 2013, 11:26 PM)
so if all of them want the original copy... it doesnt make sense for a person to buy few life policies in their life...
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All the companies's executioner know that original only got one, imagine that they have to process ton and ton of death claim per day, they are very experience in the claim process as they knew if they are late to pay by even one day, they will get complain up to BNM level.

Verdict: Death claim is claimable in certified true copy format.
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post Jul 13 2013, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(mcfeemo @ Jul 13 2013, 11:16 AM)
1.  for medical bill i know... we can only claim by using original documents , let say the my single medical card policy is enough to support the medical cost but 
     what if the medical cost need to take some claim amount from my 2nd medical card policy? how do we get 2 original copies to the two different insurer? hmm.gif
2.   i was referring to original death/TPD .... let say i have few life policies from different companies and i wanna to claim all of it at the same time. The death
      certificate/ medical reports (TPD) must be in certified true copy by the lawyer firm right? so it can be certified up to how many copies we want right? hmm.gif
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1)Medical bill is only claimable with original documents. The reason due to it is to avoid fraud(double claimant of hospital fees).

However, From Great Eastern(I'm not sure the term&condition from other company) that it's claimable from the second card if the first card is out of limit.

Well, how does it works?
When ones hospitalize for RM120,000. He is having a card with Zurich annual limit RM50,000 and Great Eastern limit RM100,000. He able to claim the first RM50,000 using Zurich medical card cashless. But, he has to prepare RM70,000 cash to pay the hospital first then only it's reimburseable by Great Eastern.

Well, why don't I use Great Eastern card first then I pay RM20,00 cash and get back RM20,000 by reimbursement from Zurich?
I'm not sure either other companies allow claim from second card. If you have claimed RM100,000 from Great Eastern but the RM20,000 is not claimable from Zurich then it's too bad.

You said insurance company only accept original medical bill?
For the above case, you or your agent have to submit Great Eastern the bill certified true copy bill by Zurich.

In Great Eastern, other company co-insurance or deductible is also claimable in Great Eastern.
Refer to the attached file page 2 for your reference with example and scenario.

2)Yes, death certificate is claimable with certified true copy by Commissioner of Oath. for all the insurance companies.

I have been in this industry for long, I'm a Great Eastern scholar and also previously work in Great Eastern as Management Trainee staff, I have been designated from Claim/Agency/Customer service/Health care services/Actuarial/Product marketing within a year. I know the processes and procedure very well.

However, I'm now a full time agent from Great Eastern, do pm me if you are interested in getting a new policy or have doubt in insurance's procedure.

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post Jul 13 2013, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Jul 13 2013, 11:05 PM)
E.g medical bills and 36CI claims..
My colleague fainted during office working hour and we sent him to hospital and Dr/Specialist performed angioplasty
test and found that he have 3x blocked/clogged/hardening artery. Operation Bills includes inserting a catheter (thin tube) into
vessels and passing a device (tiny balloon) through the tube to open the artery costed him total RM80K ..
He submitted medical report expenses using medical card from 2nd medical card insurance(company B).
Medical Report and Medical Bill = 1x original bill.. Now, he want to claim 36 Critical Illness from insurance company A but do not have genuine medical report and medical bill sweat.gif

Conclusion:-
Medical Report (Original/Genuine) = 1 .. Medical Bill = 1  (RM80k)
Medical Card (Company B for the past 3 years ) with higher limits= got the medical report during claim submission.

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Whole Life c/w TPD, 36 CI, Saving/Investment, PA and Medical Card (Insurance Company A for the past 15yrs) = cannot claim 36CI ( rm100k), as original medical report has submitted to Company B as above. Note:- Medical Card for this company A got lower limit(as 6-in-1 package)
compared to high medical card limits of company B.

During emergency case like above, will you want to claim 1) Medical Card/Bill Cost  or  2)  36 Critical Illness ??    For average/poor ppls.
Good Thoughts..
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Sorry, it's quite hard for me to understand your statement.
QUOTE(danlhct @ Jul 13 2013, 11:17 PM)
Is doctor willing to fill up 2 set of forms? One for Company A. Another set of form for Company Z?
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yes, with payment. rolleyes.gif wink.gif
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post Jul 15 2013, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(freewisefly @ Jul 14 2013, 05:56 PM)
How would anyone know beforehand which medical card to use when admitted to hospital? In common sense, human will choose medical card with highest annual credit limits as nobody know how much will it cost.

2nd is why having 2 medical card? I would choose to have a 450k annual credit limits for my medical card to avoid all those troubles. Of course everyone want that but it's too expensive. I would say yes if you buy with investment link or saving plan. I bought a standalone and I have no problems of the discussed issue above. It only cause me rm112 per month. 3 yrs back i was paying rm300 per month with room and board rate = rm150. As I noticed it is not even enough to cover basic sharing room rate at hospital. I switched to pacific insurance medical card with my room and board rate at rm 350 much higher than my previous 1 and i only pay rm112 per month. I have saved 188 monthly and i put in to investment and it's more than what i saved in insurance link fund and the most best part is i can withdrawn anytime without any interest compare with insurance company. Be wise all of you.
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No offence bro, a good friend of mine is doing Pacific, it's cheap but please read the T&C.
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post Jul 22 2013, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jul 22 2013, 11:37 AM)
If I work in neighboring countries and back to Malaysia once every 2 months. Can I use the medic card overseas should anything happened? Will the insurer rejects our claim coz we work in overseas?
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Hi, your Great Eastern valid within 90 days after you left Malaysia.
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post Sep 17 2013, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 17 2013, 08:01 PM)
I have receiving news that insurance companies are reducing their cost of insurance for Investment Link.

What is going on? Any Agency Manager can "ahem" give some insider news?

Xuzen
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Haven't got any news so far for this great news, but I doubt it will happen.

QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 17 2013, 09:24 PM)
really xuzen drool.gif
that could be great news.

however, all the news that  I read recently, mostly more on increase of premium paid due to add more regulation la, (which I don't really understand actually)
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Yeah, premium increase not due to Cost of Insurance, it's due to BNM tighten up the projection rule and the projection have to set aside more money in cash value. It's not a bad news afterall(compare to increase of COI), at least it "force" people to save more money.
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post Sep 19 2013, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(deity01 @ Sep 19 2013, 12:19 PM)
for Personal Accident policy, izzit we can only claim from 1 insurance company? y always those credit card called to offer me PA told me that we can do multiple PA claim?
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QUOTE(deity01 @ Sep 19 2013, 01:50 PM)
hmm...thanks for the info..cheers.. smile.gif

the website you provided is really informative and useful..but still...

i hv some question...can anyone help me?

i hv an investment linked life insurance, izzit ok to use/top up current investment linked life insurance and consider it as MLTA?
or buy another life insurance and threat it as MLTA? cos MLTA is also a type of life insurance and also i think ordinary life insurance cover more than MLTA..
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Unless medical expenses which is reimburseable based on the receipt, all the other like Life insurance, 36 Critical Illness, PA etc are fully paid upon occurance of the specific event.

It's okay to top up your investment link to increase your life protection and treat it as MLTA. However, Investment link's insurance charges tend to increase with age. You may also option to purchase a traditional life coverage to fixed your insurance charges because the insurance charges for traditional plan is fixed at the inception date(the day you bought the policy).
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post Sep 27 2013, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(oohay1984 @ Sep 27 2013, 11:00 AM)
i was wondering what's the point taking up the insurance/medical card if u still need to pay admission fee and if you in critical condition have to wait for agent to issued GL?? this is not right

unless im a rich ppl i dont mind spend it...somemore when come to claim part very slow service (need doc this n that and if doc not complete u cant claim)

erm.. sad.gif
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The RM300-RM500 is not "admission fees". Most of the hospital require patient to set aside a deposit, it works the same like when we check in into certain hotel where they require us to set aside a few hundred as deposit to be deducted(if any).

The RM300-RM500 is refundable upon discharge after deducted all the necessary charges(if any).

Usually in Great Eastern, a medical card that inforce 2 years and above will be able to get GL almost immediately. Well, at least it never happen to my client who have bought over 2 years and still required investigation.
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post Sep 29 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 29 2013, 06:10 PM)
Just wondering.. Since you put 168 per month?
Is there any possibilities, there is any kind of insurance for RM 168 per year? Really want to know what is the real minimum that one can be insured for.
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Personal Accident, 1 million coverage RM700++/year, 100k about RM100.

QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Sep 29 2013, 08:39 PM)
i noticed something from this brochure (and every other brochure for that matter):

http://www2.prudential.com.my/export/sites...xi_med__ENG.pdf

The expiry age 70 and 80, if u noticed the same entry age for both - the premium / insurance charges are different. take expiry age 70 with entry age 21-25 - it is 677 for annual limit of 100k, deductible 300. For the same entry age of 21-25 for expiry age 80, the premium is 913 ! I'm wondering, why is that? Shouldn't it be the same?
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This theory works the same like term insurance.

For example age 20 buy term 30 years, premium RM1000/year, but age 20 buy term 10 years, premium RM500/year.

Mortality risk is different, you are buying the right on 70-80 years old.

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post Oct 15 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Oct 15 2013, 02:21 PM)
Hi LYN fellows,

I am wondering, would you prefer to have your insurance agent to be in the same region where you work or stay?

Currently, I am quite in a dilemma, one friend of mine who is an insurance agent, is from my home town and I am actually planning to get an insurance plan from her, but the thing is I stay and work in KL.

What you guys think?
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Well, most of the policyholder would want the agent to stay as near as possible as that would make policyholder easier to consult the agent's advise when unfortunate/claim happens.

However, I do have client which is as far as Singapore, Penang and Johore, and I'm able to give them support though phone calls. If it's serious, I might visit them in their state. If it's not serious, I'll send courier service to pick up the original receipt for reimbursement. Afterall, when emergency happens, policyholder should find doctor and not agent biggrin.gif

The most importantly is the service and the competencies of your agent. If your agent is good, he will able to help you even it's far, if he isn't good, he can't help you even he live your next door. nod.gif
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post Oct 15 2013, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Oct 15 2013, 06:35 PM)
Thanks for sharing.

what if she quits from her current job as a fill time agent and join other industry instead?
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Most of the agent who has been in industry for more than 5 years are hardly quit the industry, due to the renewal or premium and responsibility in this business. However, it is case to case basis... nod.gif
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post Oct 16 2013, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(stoppy @ Oct 15 2013, 08:18 PM)
Hi,

I've purchase a ING Prime Life insurance since 2010 @ RM6k p.a. Recently my agent persuaded me to upgrade the plan esp for medical. Previously with ING my lifetime limit is RM1.2mil. Now with the upgrade, I can get unlimited lifetime limit with AIA (as AIA acquisition ING) at no additional premium paid.

Due to the rider name different from ING and AIA, she mentioned that it cannot be upgraded like this. It has to purchase a new policy, my cash value in ING can be transfer to AIA.

She added that beside the unlimited lifetime limit in medical, there is another benefit whereby AIA can offer is anniversary bonus (increase by 1% per year for 20 years, max is RM100k depend on your sum assured). In other word, total death benefit is Basic Sum Assured + Anniversary Bonus + Cash Value.

Plan that she offered:
A Life Link (up to age 100) RM600k
A Plus Critical Care (up to age 100) RM600k
A Plus Hospital Income Extra (up to age 100) RM100
A Plus Waiver Extra (up to age 100) RM6k p.a
A Plus Med (up to age 100) RM150 room board

I'm wondering whether to purchase new one and surrender old policy. I'm afraid that she is concerning her commission since my current ING policy is about 4 years (as agent will entitled 6 years of commission if i'm not mistaken), hence to persuaded to purchase new one so that she can entitle another 6 years of commission.

Appreciate advise from you guys. Thanks
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QUOTE(stoppy @ Oct 15 2013, 10:42 PM)
Annual limit: RM100k
Lifetime limit: Unlimited
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QUOTE(stoppy @ Oct 15 2013, 08:18 PM)
Hi,

I've purchase a ING Prime Life insurance since 2010 @ RM6k p.a. Recently my agent persuaded me to upgrade the plan esp for medical. Previously with ING my lifetime limit is RM1.2mil. Now with the upgrade, I can get unlimited lifetime limit with AIA (as AIA acquisition ING) at no additional premium paid.

Due to the rider name different from ING and AIA, she mentioned that it cannot be upgraded like this. It has to purchase a new policy, my cash value in ING can be transfer to AIA.

She added that beside the unlimited lifetime limit in medical, there is another benefit whereby AIA can offer is anniversary bonus (increase by 1% per year for 20 years, max is RM100k depend on your sum assured). In other word, total death benefit is Basic Sum Assured + Anniversary Bonus + Cash Value.

Plan that she offered:
A Life Link (up to age 100) RM600k
A Plus Critical Care (up to age 100) RM600k
A Plus Hospital Income Extra (up to age 100) RM100
A Plus Waiver Extra (up to age 100) RM6k p.a
A Plus Med (up to age 100) RM150 room board

I'm wondering whether to purchase new one and surrender old policy. I'm afraid that she is concerning her commission since my current ING policy is about 4 years (as agent will entitled 6 years of commission if i'm not mistaken), hence to persuaded to purchase new one so that she can entitle another 6 years of commission.

Appreciate advise from you guys. Thanks
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Focus on annual limit, no inner limit for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment. These are the most crucial benefit you should look into when purchasing medical card.
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post Oct 21 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Oct 21 2013, 09:12 AM)
Death Report, Hospital Medical Bills + Dr. Report = 1x genuine certificate .. Photocopy 99 copies and submit yr claims?
How many insurance companies willing to accept "certify true copy"  ? 99 copies of Death Report, 99 copies of Medical Bills
and 99 copies of Dr Reports ..
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Yes, company will accept certified true copy from commission of oath(Persuruhjaya sumpah)/ Agency Manager.

This topic has been discussed for numerous in this thread.
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post Oct 21 2013, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Oct 21 2013, 05:18 PM)
Any INSURANCE Agents help clients's claim submission before,  using "certified true copy" documents ?

Kindly help to share your experience here.. Will the insurance companies want to see the genuine copy?
Insurance companies VERY worry kena "con" , fraud, cheat by clients with all these "certified true copy" submissions.
Will submission of "certified true copy" claim took very long period compared to usual claim?
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No idea about the claim period comparing both original and CTC. I personally have submitted several times for my clients for several companies at the same time. The payout period is about the same from all the companies.

I believe they have the system to communicate with the authority regarding the legitimate of the death claim.

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