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rigmortis
post Oct 31 2015, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Oct 31 2015, 12:22 PM)
I think most people except the hardcore supporters know that pakatan MPs aren't angels, and many of them aren't that much better then BN, but they vote for them not because they love them or believe in their promises, but they just hate BN that much.
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Agreed.
Abstained in GE12. Do not approve what BN stands for. But don't see opposition credible as a ruling party. Peoples tend to support underdogs though.

GE13: Opposition gained my vote, cuz they proven themselves. But almost can't stand my friends that bought Anwar agenda through and through.

Then fast forward to see my Facebook wall plastered with dumb brainwashing media from Tony Pua and the likes, the underdogs now become what they detested. Memperbodohkan rakyat with pointless agendas and half truths. Some say opposition is to oppose everything the ruling party stands for. But they fail to follow up by proposing a better way of doing it instead. Wrong is wrong, but RBA loves prejudice like UMNO.

I'm staying away in GE14. Thanks to Red Bean Army and Cybertroopers.

Vote for changes. Think objectively.

Anyway the words of Lim Sian See is obviously leaning to BN. Not so much in this particular article, but in the others.

TLDR
Opposition propaganda supporters is getting dumber like BN macais. Silent majority will get smart. THE GAME WILL CHANGE.
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post Oct 31 2015, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 31 2015, 01:56 PM)
Many ppl here say GE14 will not vote for any , in fact dun vote = vote BN becaue opposition need vote to change there is only one way we can't made our self out of this , either vote BN or not, stay ur self out not vote same as direct vote BN no difference.
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OK nothing new. Typical brainwash.

I'm in Seputeh constituency. If not vote=DAP vote. Please stop being stupid. Can or not?
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post Oct 31 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 31 2015, 02:15 PM)
brain dun lah think only seputeh i say this for all not for u that's why i no reply u
now i know what u playing here  brows.gif
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Oh. OK.
You said if we don't vote is the same as voting for BN. Generalisation.

What if I tell you. If I don't vote, it means both sides also won't get my vote.

There's no game being played. Be a smart voter. That's all.

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post Oct 31 2015, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 31 2015, 02:27 PM)
correct only if u can tell every one i mean every one not vote , if u tell ppl in doubt dun vote sure it was benefit to the existing frequent winner.
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First you generalise. Now you want to be specific. OK.

Perhaps you are right then. Major portion of people who voted opposition are people disgruntled at BN.

But personally, I'll vote for a reason. Even if I don't, you don't have to tell me what you do.

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post Oct 31 2015, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 31 2015, 03:42 PM)
Ala.

Talk so much just tell you gonna vote bijan songlap la.

What so ashame about it?

Give br1m. Bb1m. So kind. So concerned about the poor.

Tak yah malu malu la.
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As much as I hate you red bean armies, I'll never vote BN.

Racist does not have to wear red shirt and be an ultra Malay. They can be other races and wears yellow shirt too.

I'm sure you're in the BR1M bracket. So you will also need Bijan.

I give bad remarks on Jib 90% of the time, never see Seiji or Toyotasupra be in denial mode. When I say something neutral or bad about your RBA lies, you sure come out to reply me.

I'm sure there's some payment from your boss right?
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post Oct 31 2015, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 31 2015, 05:34 PM)
Ah here comes the personal attack of troopers.

Sorry to disappoint you. Many years ago my first job i was making more than 2.5k a month.

RBA? only mindless drones like you would believe that.

Typical educated penjilat.

Ever wonder why with more people like you educated but the country is not really heading in the right direction? 

Why with more peoplelike you getting educated but instead of comparing with taiwan korea in the 70s to 80s, now we dont even have the cheek to compare with indonesia thailand?

Because people like you are just not helping.
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Apologies then. But in the first case, then talk sensibly like an adult in your initial reply. When I am a little rude in replies, you say I "personal attack" you.
But, it's OK for you to be rude? The way you reply, to anybody who does not support PR/PH (and we are not even BN supporter) is so typical.

But seriously la, my initial salary was lower than yours. If it makes you happier. I am doing fine now, BTW.

PR is not perfect, but voted them. They are better alternative to the one we have now. But if you guys are giving us the rakyats half-truths and sensationalisation of simple matters, this is not going to help your course in the long run.

I said this before and I will say this again (hopefully no saman la), people will get smart. They will not be so easily duped again by sensationalised / twisted news and half-truths. We want a stable economy and it will not be achieved if we cannot think in a mature fashion.

I am not alone. A few of us have spoken out here - and you disagreed totally with us. And we might still vote for PH/PR, but we do not enjoy getting lied to. The Bangla voters lie in GE13 was so preposterous that, even I being a person with just average IQ , could not swallow.

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post Oct 31 2015, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Oct 31 2015, 08:06 PM)
Arul has now said yes.  It is LOGICALLY possible already.  laugh.gif 

Tony Pua has defined the boundaries right from the start.  Refer to the earlier MalaysiaKini article.  I repost the pertinent parts.

“Since Arul proudly proclaimed that there is absolutely no cover-up to 1MDB, may I humbly propose that the 1MDB president attends a ‘live’ talk show which I will host and ask the questions.

“He will be given every opportunity and as much time as he likes to answer these questions.



No shifting of goal posts. 

But I can cite this, cite that but seems you are just sticking to the same arguments as before.
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I mildly agree that it is not the right time for a member of PAC investigation team to reveal the findings; sensitive matters will be blurted out in the heat of any debate, regardless if the format is a debate or talk-show. I mostly get news sources from Star and it's still mentioned as debate though.

You are on point that PAC role of accounting for the 1MDB scandal by far outweighs any gain from a talk show. A public talk-show request will always be popular to the public for entertainment purpose, but popular move in this instance is not the right move.

As for the judge, jury and executioner role of Tony, it's not even worth pointing out by Keown. There may not even have been any neutrality amongst the investigators. And we are pretty sure Tony has pre-assumption that Arul and party is guilty until proven innocent. His role in PAC is more like to expose any bias from the BN team of investigators.

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