There are so many different brands out there, all can produce alkaline water. Price range different too. I am always confused, from RM 3k+ to RM 12k, you can get alkaline water. So what is the difference between the RM 3k type and the more expensive type?

Recently came across those really expensive one, Kangen water, RM 12k. From what I understand it can generate really high ph level alkaline water, ph 11 or something like that. Then a friend of mine introduced me to VWA, said it can generate even MORE higher ph level, ph 12! and the price is cheaper ....According to her why Kangen is expensive because it is MLM.

Why do we need such high ph level alkaline water? What is the difference between VWA and Kangen?

Any thoughts?

just get panasonic alkaline filter if you really want alkaline water
cheap cheap

This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 26 2015, 10:17 AM

haha.. RM 200 also got alkaline.... i really wonder.. what's the difference.. between RM 200 and those RM 3k or RM 12k ones..

sorry i made a mistake
i read it from here - https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=77022428

i think maybe he meant the replacement filter

its about 1.7k - http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/kitch...ne-ionizer.html

This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 26 2015, 10:20 AM

TS if you want to learn more about alkaline water got o this link
https://www.facebook.com/dazzledistributions?flyingspaghettimonster=bookmarks

also you can read the notes section for more info

haha alrite. but you see, the price range so much different right? why are they so different?

Thanks for the link. I understand the benefits of alkaline water, I just don't understand why their price range so wide, and what are the differences among them ..

You already said those are the MLM product.

BTW, do you really need that high PH alkaline water?

Just get the Panasonic. More trust brand and no ripoff price.

each producer will claim their tech more sophisticated than other, and also branding mah. some are legit while others you have to research first. hope this helps.
i ve been drinking alkaline water for 3 months d because i have high uric acid so far it went down a little bit d.

I have no idea.. that's y i'm asking..

ah, that's good! which brand are you using?

im using aoceanic eionizer.

Just google Akaline water . There are many articles on it by independent people
https://www.aqualiv.com/alkaline-water-exposed/

This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 26 2015, 12:39 PM

posted this before, just pasting it here


I actually got eczema problem and some info in the website claim that alkaline water can cure it. Installed a rubine alkaline machine (got it free from my supplier) at home for 6 months but no improvement. My mom had diarrhea after drinking it, salesman says it is good as it is helping to detox and ask her to try lower PH level for stomach to get use to it. After doing some research online, most alkaline machine only provide one membrane cartridge filter which is 0.1 micron. Just a 0.1 micron membrane filter is not sufficient to filter off all the contaminants, even RO water which is the purest water with 0.0001 micron need to be used together with a carbon block filter. So, how clean is the alkaline water ? ? ?

Copied from
http://www.waterbenefitshealth.com/reverse...osis-water.html

"While reverse osmosis is effective for removing a variety of contaminants in water, the reverse osmosis membrane alone does NOT remove volatile organic chemical (VOCs), chlorine and chloramines, pharmaceuticals, and a host of other synthetic chemicals found in municipal water.

However, some R.O. systems now have multi-stage filtration media (in addition to the R.O. membrane), such as Activated Carbon, which does remove chlorine and certain pesticides."


There are still debates on alkaline water is good and some say no good, there is no 100% conclusion and as mention it is still a myth. I tried and it doesnt improve my family's health bt instead mom got diarrhea. Grandma drank alkaline water without boiling will cough but she drinks Aquaphor water without boiling, no problem...

From another website mentioned there are two types of alkaline water, ionized alkaline water which is from the alkaline machine and natural alkaline water (mineral water). Natural minerals in our water is alkaline, when water picks up more mineral the higher the pH level, hence more alkaline. So, drinking water with high pH means your water has a lot of good minerals in it and it is good for our body. However, the ionized alkaline water produced by alkaline machine does not add in minerals to it and our body will automatically regulate the pH level by producing more acid to neutralize the alkaline water, so i guess there wont be any health benefit to it.

From my experience, most important is to drink more CLEAN water as we wont know how the little contaminants in our water could affect us in the future, it might not be harmful now but after 5 years or more you might only start to see the side effect. Unless you have some kinda of sickness or skin problem like me, you can give it a try.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Oct 26 2015, 05:41 PM

Well, higher price alkaline machine will explain that the price difference is because of the platinum or titanium plate which are very expensive. From what i know, if you purchased a Kangan, you can already start business by introducing friends to buy and get commission 1k-2k. A salesperson actually approached me and offer me commission about 2k+ if i were to sell kangen or get a customer to buy from him.

Some machine can produce high PH level like 12 but the recommended drinking PH level by these alkaline machine is 9.5, so whatz the point of having higher PH level?

I've to concur with zheilwane on this. In fact rain water is much better. Go along Fraser's before Sg Selangor dam and Hulu Langat after rain at 4-5am in the morning and see the line of cars with their boots loaded with containers to takung air bukit. Ask the ppl who take them why they do what they do. You'd be surprised or shocked to learn what they have been practicing for years. The diseases they cured apparently just by drinking rain water filtered by the hill's soil structure. And many of them cannot afford recurring medical cost, don't see an end to their medical condition and cannot tahan the constant hassle of seeing a doctor in public clinics or hospitals. Btw, for main argument aside, I always believe chlorine is required until filtered out at point of use. 0.01 micron Membrane is best. KDF+ carbon shower filter for bathing and brushing teeth and RO or distilled water for drinking. For washing vege, fruits and rice, get Paragon KDF and combine with Activated carbon. That would remove heavy metal, chlorine and KDF naturally is bacteriostatic.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Oct 26 2015, 09:54 PM

I ve been drinking mineral water for over 15yrs. The mineral water I drink test for PH6. So it it not alkaline.

But it do reduce my sickness a lot.

I also plan to install a outdoor filter. Most membrane now can filter up to 0.01 micron right? So i guess clean water is not a problem ...

Exactly. I think I asked one of the sales person before about this. Why do we need higher PH level since the recommended one is 9.5? The sales guy said, when we eat more acidic food, it will lower down the water maybe from PH 9.5 to PH 7. So the water is no longer alkaline. But if we drink PH 12, chances of it turning to neutral is lesser.. that's the answer he gave me..

So true about the rain/forest/natural water. Unfortunately in the city, especially in KL, our water is so so so so so dirty soleft us no choice but to get a good filter to filter out all the dirty stuff ...

best if you buy filter with UV sterilizer...can kill 99.9% germ and bacteria using the UV light...

It looks clean or clear and because of its fine pore size, 0.01 micron membrane only deals with sediments and most microbes, amoeba, and viruses. These typically are larger than 0.04 micron. Heavy metals, organic chemical pollutants if present in trace form (or within drinking standard limits) in the water, VOC along with the inorganic minerals are not filtered out at this point. Also generic water testing kits are inadequate in detecting with an already growing lists of industry pollutants. Some known are listed here but majority are not listed doesn't necessarily mean they are not present. Known industry chemical present are treated with a flocculant, a chemical that makes the pollutant precipitate as solid for physical removal. This would bring it's concentration down to "safe" drinking standards but doesn't mean it's not there if already present. The other thing is the standards deals with known clear present threats to drinking water quality but what about unknown for which there's not yet a long term study and which may result in a different standard of filtering that does yet exist. Some folks I had the chance to meet who are in this industry for a long time and these are normal folks. They are honest and sincere and did not alter their position. The same question was posed to me which at that time was not ready to confront was which purification process removed the known and unknown effectively. They showed me a chart from a book written by a science journalist who took the task to this question. The answer was confirmed by the folks collecting water from the side of the water catchment hills after heavy rain.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Oct 27 2015, 11:17 AM

Do we Still need to boil the alkaline water or must drink direct without boiling

I drink alkaline water directly (without boiling) from my Panasonic TK-AS40 for more than 3 years, I replace the filter cartridge with TK-AS45C1 (Removes 13+4 Substances), instead of the TK-AS40's recommended filter cartridge TK7505C1 (Removes 5 Substances).

This post has been edited by clickNsnap: Jul 10 2017, 08:36 PM

Is panasonic good? I am also considering it. How much is the replacement cartridge?

Have been using it for 3+ years, so far so good.

The replacement cartridge cost about RM330 for the TK7505C1 (Removes 5 Substances), RM450 for the TK-AS45C1 (Removes 13+4 Substances). Get it from PanaShop or buy it during Aeon Jaya Jusco sale...a bit cheaper.

Btw, the cartridge can last for 12,000 liters and recommended to replace yearly. If your family drink 30 liters of water a day = 900 liters a month = 10,800 liters a year, it should last you slightly more than a year, small family drink less water.. may last more than 1.5 to 2 years

This post has been edited by clickNsnap: Jul 10 2017, 09:02 PM

Thanks for info

if daily 5L of drink water, that is 12000/5/365=6.5yrs the filter can last.

Hmm... can consider.

30Liter for a family daily is like 10-12person ?

Only 4 family members, estimated 10 liters a day, about 3,650 liters a year, I change the filter every two years, although it can last three years plus...dare not uses one filter more than two years

This post has been edited by clickNsnap: Jul 11 2017, 11:28 AM

You can go for 3yrs and it still below the filter spec. Should be alright.

It is Panasonic filter. I have more confident on it.

yes, technically the filter can last 3 years, since the usage is below 12,000 liters... but mentally dare not use

Bought it because the unit and replacement filter is made in Japan and the replacement filter can purchased retails shop, unlike those direct selling brand that must get from MLM companies.

is Hydrogen water same to Alkaline Ionizer Water ?

different.
but you have to why you need ionizer water or hydrogen water?

I am looking for hydrogen water but found out that alkaline ionize water claim to be rich in hydrogen. That's why i am asking. i thought is the same.

i seee....... what is the purposes you finding rich hydrogen water?

Your science is farkup.

No such thing as hydrogen water.

There is. It is just hydrogen enriched water. The latest gimmick since alkaline water. The problem with all these is the claim that they are better than normal water is based on small sample size (eg. 10 or 100 max) and hardly conclusive. My parents and grandparents live long life drinking boiled tap water. I doubt I can live longer than them drinking these "magic fluids"

This post has been edited by blancpain4470: Jan 3 2021, 09:17 PM

yes, actually dont have any certified scientific report shows that 'hydrogen water' is 'better than normal water.
All we need is just clean water, thats all

Scam

Why need hidrogen in ur H20, want to make it acidic?

Buy better filter branded brand better 3M or Philips