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post Nov 30 2006, 05:47 PM, updated 19y ago

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lol this is a question that i hav in my head for quite some times... here we go... laugh.gif tongue.gif

i guess for many of u guys here, the things that come into ur mind when speaking of Serie A or Italian football is that they are "boring", "lack of fast pace attacking", "too defensive-minded", bla bla bla...

i find it to be very amusing that whenever some Serie A matches turn out to b a goal fest or thriller, people wil come n say "wah, Serie A also got such attacking football ah?". n this happened tons of times to me, especially when Roma trashed their opponent 7-0 in a league game 2 weeks ago.

is it true that Serie A is really that 'boring' n 'lack of attacking' ? well of coz as u may know, i'm a die-hard fan of AS Roma n Serie A. i do follow Serie A closely - not juz read some report from website or papers. I watched Serie A games regularly for almost every week. n of coz, i do watched a lot EPL too. La Liga not that much, as i usually pick those big names clashes. n being to b as unbias n neutral as possible, I honestly don't think that EPL n Serie A is that far away in term of excitement.

i know a lot of people tend to brand Serie A as "defensive football". well is that true ? taken out some times, i had collected some statistic of the number of goal scored for both Serie A n EPL, for the past 5 seasons.

Serie A :
2001/02 - 806*
2002/03 - 789*
2003/04 - 816*
2004/05 - 960
2005/06 - 991

*Serie A only hav 18 teams til 03/04. it changed into 20 since 04/05.


EPL
2001/02 - 1000
2002/03 - 1000
2003/04 - 965
2004/05 - 975
2005/06 - 944


so lets see here. the grand total of Serie A's stats is 4362 goals, while EPL's is 4931. now here looks like EPL is far better, right ? but dont forget that Serie A only hav 18 teams for 01/02 to 03/04. therefore the number of matches play is juz 306 per season, compare to EPL's 380.

so in the end, the average goal scored for Serie A for that 5 season is approx. 2.58 goals per match, while EPL's is approx. 2.60 goals per match. well, is the gap really justified the claim of Serie A being "too defensive-minded" ? of coz the stats wouldn't prove anything concrete, but its a point to consider anyway.

Serie A hav some of the world's best attacking talents such as Kaka, Totti, Figo, Toni, etc. n there are also those who are relatively unknow to people who dont follow Serie A, such as like Lucarelli, Di Natale, Di Michele n Bonazzoli. These guys are on par with Crouch, Darren Bent, Saha, etc, if not better. honestly i can't agree wif such thing as "Serie A doesn't hav great attacking plays".

one reason that i believe for Serie A being branded as 'boring' is bcoz of the limited covarges available here. n seriously, those that on Astro are terrible. Its not the game itself, but the commentators. damn those guys know nuts abt Serie A, n the way they talk can really make me fall asleep. n for unknown reason, they tend to 'cover up' the live sounds of the games, so u'll hardly hear the cheerings n shoutings out there. well if u happen to watch it thru some foregin channels, it will b a huge different experience.

lol sorry for the terriblely long post. well i hope u guys can come n share ur thoughts n opinions, like what u really think of Serie A football. nod.gif

EDITED : to avoid any possible bash or flame or whatever, plz note that I'm NOT trying to argue that Serie A is better than EPL or La Liga or whatever. The point here is that : is Serie A really 'boring, defensive-minded, lack of attacking play" as it hav be branded by many ? smile.gif

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post Nov 30 2006, 05:50 PM

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lol something weird happened that i got a dup thread. laugh.gif

QUOTE(kueks @ Nov 30 2006, 05:42 PM)
lol wat goals hav to do with whether the league is entertaining =.=
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now i didnt say the goal stats proved anything, did i ? rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 05:50 PM

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to me,
1.epl
2.la liga
3.serie a

even ruud gullit that had been playing for Milan also prefer watching EPL rather than Serie A..
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post Nov 30 2006, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Nov 30 2006, 05:50 PM)
lol something weird happened that i got a dup thread.  laugh.gif
now i didnt say the goal stats proved anything, did i ?  rolleyes.gif
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Yeah u dont say it, but the statistics that u provided is abt the goal.. so, better u find ur concrete opinion to say that Serie A is more entertaining than EPL.. unsure.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 05:54 PM

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im a Serie A follower and i find only one team that is boring and too defensive, other team especially Inter and Roma are playing full throttle attacking football but not the extent as La Liga
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QUOTE(@rissband @ Nov 30 2006, 05:52 PM)
Yeah u dont say it, but the statistics that u provided is abt the goal.. so, better u find ur concrete opinion to say that Serie A is more entertaining than EPL..  unsure.gif
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lol dont misquote me plz. I didnt say "Serie A is more entertaining than EPL" as u claimed. what i wanna discuss here is juz the point of Serie A being branded as "boring n defensive play". comparison with EPL is juz a reference. smile.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 06:07 PM

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its boring n defensive minded yes. look at the stadium, the atmosphere aint as electric as in EPL. u can notice alot of goalscorers celebrate by putting their hand in the ears indicating they want more cheers. even the commentator is lousy. defensive minded is always a tradition in italy. this is an advantage for other clubs n other leagues. so clubs should buy italian defenders smile.gif italy won the WC thx to their super defensive play n lippis tactical skills
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post Nov 30 2006, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Nov 30 2006, 06:07 PM)
its boring n defensive minded yes. look at the stadium, the atmosphere aint as electric as in EPL. u can notice alot of goalscorers celebrate by putting their hand in the ears indicating they want more cheers. even the commentator is lousy. defensive minded is always a tradition in italy. this is an advantage for other clubs n other leagues. so clubs should buy italian defenders smile.gif italy won the WC thx to their super defensive play n lippis tactical skills
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on the stadium part, yes u got a point. generally stadiums in Italy sux big ass compare to those in EPL.

but i believe the atmosphere is not as bad as u thought. If u watch Serie A thru some Italian channels, u can clearly hear n feel the intense atmosphere as those of EPL.

as for being defensive-minded, yup Italians are famous with their defence, but that doesn't equals that they don't hav fast-paced n free flow attack, right ? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Nov 30 2006, 06:07 PM)
its boring n defensive minded yes. look at the stadium, the atmosphere aint as electric as in EPL. u can notice alot of goalscorers celebrate by putting their hand in the ears indicating they want more cheers. even the commentator is lousy. defensive minded is always a tradition in italy. this is an advantage for other clubs n other leagues. so clubs should buy italian defenders smile.gif italy won the WC thx to their super defensive play n lippis tactical skills
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well, EPL have millions of viewers around the world... far more popular compare to Seria A and La Liga maybe because their style of advertisements across the globe... well, being the most watched, EPL have to make sure all the stadiums and environment well-organized... if not, they will be a shame in the eyes of the world... their standards are high, i guess... thumbup.gif

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post Nov 30 2006, 06:34 PM

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actually, i hv done some kind of 'experiment' abt this things..
i watch the game if its involve smaller teams such as

messina,fiorentina - Serie A
blackburn,spurs - EPL
sevilla,villarreal - la liga

well, for EPL teams i can watch it until up to full time, la liga teams still watch until full time but there is a time i switch to other channels, serie a teams only last longer until halftime..
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among the top clubs in italy,i think AC milan is the most defensive minded team of all.
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Nov 30 2006, 06:37 PM)
among the top clubs in italy,i think AC milan is the most defensive minded team of all.
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they play defensive but once they attack, they are unstoppable... especially having Kaka in the midfield... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(emy_xvidia @ Nov 30 2006, 06:19 PM)
well, EPL have millions of viewers around the world... far more popular compare to Seria A and La Liga maybe because their style of advertisements across the globe... well, being the most watched, EPL have to make sure all the stadiums and environment well-organized... if not, they will be a shame to the eyes of the world... their standards are high, i guess...  thumbup.gif
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marketing wise, of coz EPL wil b far more easier. EPL = English, Serie A = Italian, La Liga = Spanish.

now how many for those in Asia know Italian or Spanish, compare to those who know English ?

QUOTE(@rissband @ Nov 30 2006, 06:34 PM)
actually, i hv done some kind of 'experiment' abt this things..
i watch the game if its involve smaller teams such as

messina,fiorentina - Serie A
blackburn,spurs - EPL
sevilla,villarreal - la liga

well, for EPL teams i can watch it until up to full time, la liga teams still watch until full time but there is a time i switch to other channels, serie a teams only last longer until halftime..
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which channel u watched the match ? well if its Astro, u can forget abt watching it at the 1st place. I would recommend u to try out some foreign channels if u hav the chance.

Serie A matches on Astro, even those like Roma vs Lazio or AC vs Inter, sux big time. What kind of bloody stupid commentating is that. shakehead.gif

QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Nov 30 2006, 06:37 PM)
among the top clubs in italy,i think AC milan is the most defensive minded team of all.
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i dont really think so... not that they not attacking, juz that they do not seem to hav the luck for goals this year. laugh.gif
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quality of goal is more important.... quantity doesnt really matters sometime
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QUOTE(akRia @ Nov 30 2006, 07:30 PM)
quality of goal is more important.... quantity doesnt really matters sometime
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n Serie A does hav tons of top quality goals. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Nov 30 2006, 06:37 PM)
among the top clubs in italy,i think AC milan is the most defensive minded team of all.
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i think juve gets my vote smile.gif
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Nov 30 2006, 07:32 PM)
n Serie A does hav tons of top quality goals.  rolleyes.gif
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thats the thing...but they always got team that win at least 4-0 easily..
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Serie A got firework in stadium. EPL too discipline..lost my entertaiment.
I can fall asleep watching EPL...its media puppet battlefield.
I am SERIE A FANBOY. Zomg. I believe those majority in middle east asia also
favour serie A.
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i can learn to like it..only if they change the commentator n the way the fans celebrate the goals/chant
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QUOTE(rEDs @ Nov 30 2006, 07:39 PM)
Serie A got firework in stadium. EPL too discipline..lost my entertaiment.
I can fall asleep watching EPL...its media puppet battlefield.
I am SERIE A FANBOY. Zomg. I believe those majority in middle east asia also
favour serie A.
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shakehead.gif and throw firecracker or stuff to the keeper.. sweat.gif dida get hit once
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Nov 30 2006, 07:25 PM)
which channel u watched the match ? well if its Astro, u can forget abt watching it at the 1st place. I would recommend u to try out some foreign channels if u hav the chance.

Serie A matches on Astro, even those like Roma vs Lazio or AC vs Inter, sux big time. What kind of bloody stupid commentating is that. shakehead.gif
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i guess this is the problem that cause i'm watching less Serie A matches. i'm not clearly hear the crowd chant n the commentators makes me sleepy. sweat.gif
the defensive tactics, hurm.. u could nvr know when n where the goalS will come. it's so sudden.
if talk about quality of goals, i think Serie A goals in par with any famous league in this world. i watch Totti goal last season over n over again.(the chipped goal)



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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Nov 30 2006, 07:25 PM)
marketing wise, of coz EPL wil b far more easier. EPL = English, Serie A = Italian, La Liga = Spanish.

now how many for those in Asia know Italian or Spanish, compare to those who know English ?
which channel u watched the match ? well if its Astro, u can forget abt watching it at the 1st place. I would recommend u to try out some foreign channels if u hav the chance.

Serie A matches on Astro, even those like Roma vs Lazio or AC vs Inter, sux big time. What kind of bloody stupid commentating is that. shakehead.gif
i dont really think so... not that they not attacking, juz that they do not seem to hav the luck for goals this year.  laugh.gif
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ahaha.. maybe one of the factor is the commentator but its still lack of match quality.. i still prefer blackburn matches instead of messina's.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Nov 30 2006, 07:41 PM)
i can learn to like it..only if they change the commentator n the way the fans celebrate the goals/chant
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what if the 1 in the clip below ?

or if u wan something more hardcore... Click here tongue.gif

QUOTE(Mie @ Nov 30 2006, 07:46 PM)
i guess this is the problem that cause i'm watching less Serie A matches. i'm not clearly hear the crowd chant n the commentators makes me sleepy.  sweat.gif
the defensive tactics, hurm.. u could nvr know when n where the goalS will come. it's so sudden.
if talk about quality of goals, i think Serie A goals in par with any famous league in this world. i watch Totti goal last season over n over again.(the chipped goal)
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how abt this 1 ? laugh.gif



btw u got it wrong wif ur youtube code. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Nov 30 2006, 08:13 PM)
what if the 1 in the clip below ?

or if u wan something more hardcore... Click here  tongue.gif
how abt this 1 ?  laugh.gif
btw u got it wrong wif ur youtube code.  tongue.gif
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opss sorry nvr use the youtube code before
the one that u post i saw at Roma thread. really nice ! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Nov 30 2006, 08:13 PM)
what if the 1 in the clip below ?

or if u wan something more hardcore... Click here  tongue.gif
how abt this 1 ?  laugh.gif



btw u got it wrong wif ur youtube code.  tongue.gif
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pure beauty! thumbup.gif
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Seria A camera not clear very foggy @@.Sometimes cant even see who is who.
EPL is very very clear.
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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Nov 30 2006, 11:25 PM)
Seria A camera not clear very foggy @@.Sometimes cant even see who is who.
EPL is very very clear.
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I think that's because of the firecrackers tongue.gif

Anyways..
I think the statement "Serie A is too defensive...bla bla bla" is an unfair misconception. The big teams like Inter, Roma, Milan are attack-minded so to speak but they are also tactically clever so they don't over commit players. Technically man for man, the players in Serie A and La Liga are better than in the EPL. And i think 1 of the reasons why it's perceived as too defensive is because of the tactical nature of the football played. It's the same reason why Chelsea are perceived as boring when they are in fact a good attacking side. Also the pace of the EPL is faster compared to Serie A and La Liga and ppl can perceive that as "excitement". In a nutshell, Italians prefer the tactical battle, the English prefer raw pace and passion and the Spanish favor technical ability above all else. Hope that wasn't too long... happy.gif
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Should ban fireworks la cant even see the ball sometimes.
I'm not complaning bout the football.Football is beautiful no matter how it's play.IT'S THE BLARDEE CAMERA!
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Serie A is only boring when the home team's fans gets too overwhelming that they mentally freaked out the visiting team till there's no attacking sequence and it became a one-sided match. Just like those firecracker/flare throwing actions.
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and "extra" ball on the pitch tongue.gif
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IS Serie A boring?

The answer is yes if u define football as "to kick the ball long enuff to find a man forward who can make something out of it. And everybody will run as fast as they can just to outrun the opponent and try to get a goal."

The answer is No, if you define football as " to Win a match, and the way of winning a football match is to have at least one more goal than the opponent team."

well to be honest, it's unfair to say that Serie A or any other football league as boring. EPL seems to be very attractive just because of the marketing and branding. one good example is the camera view, commentators and sound level.
Lets say if Serie A's marketing as good as EPL... huh?

Italians are known for their tactical approach of a game, not just being pacy and run at the ball all the time. They dont just use foot in football, but brain as well.

FORZA SERIE A!
FORZA SERIE B!
FORZA SERIE C1!
FORZA AZZURI!



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QUOTE(penew @ Dec 1 2006, 05:52 PM)
IS Serie A boring?

The answer is yes if u define football as "to kick the ball long enuff to find a man forward who can make something out of it. And everybody will run as fast as they can just to outrun the opponent and try to get a goal."

The answer is No, if you define football as " to Win a match, and the way of winning a football match is to have at least one more goal than the opponent team."

well to be honest, it's unfair to say that Serie A or any other football league as boring. EPL seems to be very attractive just because of the marketing and branding. one good example is the camera view, commentators and sound level.
Lets say if Serie A's marketing as good as EPL... huh?

Italians are known for their tactical approach of a game, not just being pacy and run at the ball all the time. They dont just use foot in football, but brain as well.

FORZA SERIE A!
FORZA SERIE B!
FORZA SERIE C1!
FORZA AZZURI!
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haha.. seems like evryone hv their own opinion.. its all based on the club that we support? try to be natural.. then u know which matches u can stick till the final whistle.. tongue.gif
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if seria A is playing footbrainball why no any major european cups won by italy team?

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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 06:28 PM)
if seria A is playing footbrainball why no any major european cups won by italy team?
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....... mind to tel me what u mean by 'major european cups' ? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 06:28 PM)
if seria A is playing footbrainball why no any major european cups won by italy team?
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Peewwiittt..... go and study back, dont get urself flame here k? you might wanna revise/backtrack Champion League and UEFA cup record.

..and for the record, to let you know, there is a country in europe has won much more FiFa WC(ITS A MAJOR ULTIMATE TROPHY ON THIS PLANET!!!), just behind Brazil...go study that also. This show how footbrainball is played.



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Actually Seria A games r quite interesting but bcuz of da lack of excitement from da commentary and the poor audio effect of Seria A games it made it as if da games r played in a dull manner..Seria A hav alot of good teams if u really look into it..Teams such as Juve,Inter,AC and Roma to name da few implies tat Seria A is one of if not da best league in da world..It used to be da place wher al da top players wanna go..Zidane become world-known bcuz of Seria A anyways..If we were to understand Italian language sure we'l noe how passionate each games is...But sumhow in certain games they do play too defensive n so tat's y most ppl brand them as playing "boring" football.. thumbup.gif

Most of da ppl in Asia likes EPL due to da matter tat it's televised everywhere..Sure u can say tat they hav da advertisin and branding power but i think its popular in Asia mainly bcuz its commentated in Eng(wher da language barrier is not so significant) and they play straight-forward football...The most important thing in football is to always entertain n excite da audiences n fans who r watchin da game-which MU owez do!! tongue.gif ...

Everyone hav their own cup of tea..Its up to oneself and not anybody else to determine wat kind of football they like or love to watch...So its not 'nice' to say tat Seria A games r boring..Da biggest problem has owez been da lack of excitement shown by da commentator of Seria A games(da commentator who speaks in Eng ofcuz)..N not to forget da v v poor quality of sound wher we can hardly hear da fans' chants..

Let us all support football and not make a fuss about which or who is da better one.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 06:28 PM)
if seria A is playing footbrainball why no any major european cups won by italy team?
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sweat.gif if not mistaken,seria A and la liga tapau most european cups lately,the previous 5 season at least... name me a EPL team who won the european cups other than manutd lfc tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 06:28 PM)
if seria A is playing footbrainball why no any major european cups won by italy team?
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Wah... ready to get flame by the Serie A fans, kid. Is European Champion League "big" enough to be a major European cup ?? If yes, look at this,

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/history/index.html

FYI, Serie A is even called as "mini World Cup" for their quality and ofc, wages. If I were you, I'll delete that post before get flamed to dead.


Back to the topic, IMHO, EPL is more popular in Asia, comparing to the rest of the leagues is mainly because of their marketing strategy. Commentator play a major role, it make ppl (like me) get excited when watching the match. The commentator start to shout the striker name even if the striker only just got the ball and looks like want to shoot. Too exaggerated, but hey, that's how you attract people. But Seria A and La Liga, even a striker score, the dull and robotic voice of the commentator, "It's a goal..." sweat.gif For I the first one not going to feel excited by those comment.

But in terms of quality football, Serie A's teams still a forces to be reckoned with. I even sometimes think they are better than EPL.

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Omg..If im not s=mistaken Liverpool won da CL in 2005 rite?and for da past 2 seasons EPL teams had featured in CL finals.. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Dec 1 2006, 07:24 PM)
Omg..If im not s=mistaken Liverpool won da CL in 2005 rite?and for da past 2 seasons EPL teams had featured in CL finals.. rclxm9.gif
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.....and your point is?

we talking about more general. not just few season back. lets get universal perspective.

Juventus straight in 3 CL final
AC Milan straight in 3 CL final
Real Madrid 5 straight CL final
Bayern Munich 3 straight final
Ajax straight in 3 CL final

yours? different EPL teams in consecutive final..and the most is 2 only.




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The commentators that u get over here on Serie A and La Liga sux. I'm not sure about Serie A but some Spanish commentators who do La Liga matches are as fun as it can get.
"GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! GOGOGOGOGOGOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"
Classic. tongue.gif

And what's this crap about major european competitions cause as far as i know, of the 3 big leagues, the EPL has the least number of champions.
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QUOTE(TheNameX @ Dec 1 2006, 07:23 PM)
Wah... ready to get flame by the Serie A fans, kid. Is European Champion League "big" enough to be a major European cup ?? If yes, look at this,

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/history/index.html

FYI, Serie A is even called as "mini World Cup" for their quality and ofc, wages. If I were you, I'll delete that post before get flamed to dead.
Back to the topic, IMHO, EPL is more popular in Asia, comparing to the rest of the leagues is mainly because of their marketing strategy. Commentator play a major role, it make ppl (like me) get excited when watching the match. The commentator start to shout the striker name even if the striker only just got the ball and looks like want to shoot. Too exaggerated, but hey, that's how you attract people. But Seria A and La Liga, even a striker score, the dull and robotic voice of the commentator, "It's a goal..." sweat.gif For I the first one not going to feel excited by those comment.

But in terms of quality football, Serie A's teams still a forces to be reckoned with. I even sometimes think they are better than EPL.
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Well i'm just giving out my opinion
Liverpool also won the european cup 5 times wut.
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Eh dude don't go off topic what's with ajax bayern munich italy Real Madrid
This is seria A please stick with topic rclxub.gif

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so u r saying that EPL also boring to watch?
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imo series a league sometimes nice to watch.. somtimes not.. depending on which team palying
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QUOTE(verx @ Dec 1 2006, 08:00 PM)
The commentators that u get over here on Serie A and La Liga sux. I'm not sure about Serie A but some Spanish commentators who do La Liga matches are as fun as it can get.
"GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! GOGOGOGOGOGOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"
Classic. tongue.gif

And what's this crap about major european competitions cause as far as i know, of the 3 big leagues, the EPL has the least number of champions.
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check out the link i posted previous, n u'll hear a typical Italian commentator... gosh that guy is crazy ! laugh.gif

QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 09:15 PM)
Well i'm just giving out my opinion
Liverpool also won the european cup 5 times wut.
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Eh dude don't go off topic what's with ajax bayern munich italy Real Madrid
This is seria A please stick with topic  rclxub.gif
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lol, saying that "no any major european cups won by italy team" is an opinion ? now thats a really funny 1 if u ask me. laugh.gif

QUOTE(crazyfawkes @ Dec 1 2006, 09:21 PM)
so u r saying that EPL also boring to watch?
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Dec 1 2006, 07:24 PM)
Omg..If im not s=mistaken Liverpool won da CL in 2005 rite?and for da past 2 seasons EPL teams had featured in CL finals.. rclxm9.gif
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Middlesbrough went to UEFA CUP final?
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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 11:08 PM)
Middlesbrough went to UEFA CUP final?
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dunt know...the atmosphere and the italianclubs gameplay not attractive and not as physical as English games.....also the commentators also like gonna sleep and not ceria enough...which makes it more boring - more or less like Hasbullah Awang tongue.gif

...should be like south american commentators, cakap laju and if goal......damn long sebut GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

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QUOTE(Oxigen @ Dec 2 2006, 01:07 AM)
dunt know...the atmosphere and the italianclubs gameplay not attractive and not as physical as English games.....also the commentators also like gonna sleep and not ceria enough...which makes it more boring - more or less like Hasbullah Awang  tongue.gif

...should be like south american commentators, cakap laju and if goal......damn long sebut GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

-cheers-

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well, i guess i would sleep if the commentator is hasbullah awang... tongue.gif biggrin.gif

football commentators should shout and scream like mad when they were a goal... well, we for sure will feel inspired and stay awake especially involving matches late at night... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 1 2006, 11:08 PM)
Middlesbrough went to UEFA CUP final?
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yeah... fought hard to get there but kena bungkus as well.. might as well sleep on the pitch.. i wonder if its Dani Alves again who scored for Sevilla then... didnt watch oni read it in the papers
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At least they went to the finals.Ahem*.Who said besides man u and liverpool.So middlesbrough not english team?
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Hmm....i think defend minded team also appear in EPL,so as La Liga,u can't take 1 defensive team and describe the whole league is defend minded.
the main reason i don't like to watch Serie A because of the audience in stadium,it looks like playing football in malaysia doh.gif
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Actually Serie A is not as boring as many people think. Agree with many people who said that the commentator is not as good as the EPL ones. Not enthusiastic at all...I'm not sure about you guys but i feel there's something wrong with the camera angle too. Seems like the pitch is too far away.

I don't agree with some of the comments made which said the fans are not as vocal as the EPL ones. I've been to stadiums before. No matter how badly any team plays, the fans are crazy. They will be shouting for the whole 90 minutes. Trust me. The quiet moments are the sometimes usually the extremely exciting moments when everyone is really paying attention. Then when some team miss a good chance, you can hear the " AHHHH"s and the "BOOO"s. The only difference is the EPL ones sound louder in TV. I don't know why. Better sound card huh?

Anyway, sometimes football is about tactics. Brilliant defending is always a joy to watch. Best example is Cannavaro in the world cup. However the greatest joy is always a goal feast. What I feel is any games from any leagues can be exciting. It's just up to the people watching them. Sometimes those games in the "taman" without any "rumput" can be mouth-watering too...Hehehe.

Roma die hard fan here too...I was trying to be completely unbiased in this post. Hope I succeeded.


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QUOTE(Oxigen @ Dec 2 2006, 01:07 AM)
dunt know...the atmosphere and the italianclubs gameplay not attractive and not as physical as English games.....also the commentators also like gonna sleep and not ceria enough...which makes it more boring - more or less like Hasbullah Awang  tongue.gif

...should be like south american commentators, cakap laju and if goal......damn long sebut GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

-cheers-

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again, i would recommend u to try to watch them on foreign channels if u got the chances. u'll b amazed by how far n crazy those Italian commentators can go. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 2 2006, 02:39 AM)
At least they went to the finals.Ahem*.Who said besides man u and liverpool.So middlesbrough not english team?
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firstly, u told some1 else that "this is seria A please stick with topic", n now u bring up this bullcrap urself. nice shooting at ur own foot, eh ?

2nd, UEFA Cup ? r u kidding me ? is that thing qualify as 'major european cup' ? no offence to any1 who hav their clubs playing for this trophy, but for me UEFA Cup is juz like a plastic made Mickey Mouse cup, compare to the CL.
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QUOTE(Joshiet @ Dec 2 2006, 02:39 AM)
At least they went to the finals.Ahem*.Who said besides man u and liverpool.So middlesbrough not english team?
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You have to remember that European competitions are cup competitions so u will get a few surprises here and there (Remember Porto and Monaco?). Middlesborough were very lucky to get to the finals and they ran out of it when it mattered most. And "besides man u and liverpool" was obviously referring to the European Cup/Champions League. How convenient is it to close one eye just to justify your "opinion"
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epl matches are getting boring except for few attacking teams. but the commentator and the atmosphere is a bit different from la liga and seria A. i wont deny that at times, i felt asleep watching liverpool play, but at least when liverpool score...i will certainly cheer loud for them.

i wont say UEFA cup is mickey mouse cup, it was like years ago when MU treat the same to carling cup. most club will appreciate cup more when they failed to win anything, just ask any major clubs whether they want to finish empty handed or having UEFA trophy on their cabinet.

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Even when we won the Carling Cup last season, we still started the first two games in it with mostly reserve/backup players. Never change. If you win it, well, nice, if you don't... not gonna hurt you much, except when you lose in the final, especially to your rivals.

Serie A to me is boring. Maybe its the atmosphere we can't hear on our tv, or the robotic commentators... they sound really bad, whats worse there's almost no background sounds... but really whenever I've watch it, it's like pedestrian pace. Juve with Capello... boring. However, I don't follow the league that much, only the occasional big games sometimes, even that I don't watch heh, too late for me. So I may be talking out of my arse here. But surely the reputation is not just suka-suka made up.

The quality are maybe a bit more superior to the English league, and also Italian clubs may be more successful than the English clubs in Europe, but it doesn't mean the league is more exciting. Well I dont read the previous pages, so I don't really know what you guys meant by that success in Europe stuff, but what I said above is what I feel right now. heh. ManUtd(well, maybe not recently), Chelsea, Liverpool & Arsenal all do pretty well in the CL last few years, Leeds when they were on top. So its not all that bad. English clubs only recently are able to attract the world class players, in the early 90's not that much movement, was behind Serie A in terms of wages they could offer. Also got banned from Europe for a few years in the 80's right? It all played a part.

I wouldn't look much in the the winning cup stuff, its a lottery. Good tactics, right kind of form... and you'll win it. Of course also need the players, but not always the best team wins. Liverpool-Milan, Porto-Monaco in the final? And Germany in the WCs. Crap in qualifying, but finished runners up behind Brazil. Spain look like they almost never do anything special..

But one thing I agree, the English(national and clubs) seem to struggle againts teams who are good with the ball at their feet(those technical stuff heh). No idea why. Its because the players & coaching maybe, all need to get stuck in and physical. Need an overhaul of their youth coaching at grassroots level.

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Agree about the EPL getting boring. Most teams know they can't survive againts the big teams, so they play defensive.

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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Dec 2 2006, 11:59 PM)
epl matches are getting boring except for few attacking teams. but the commentator and the atmosphere is a bit different from la liga and seria A. i wont deny that at times, i felt asleep watching liverpool play, but at least when liverpool score...i will certainly cheer loud for them.

i wont say UEFA cup is mickey mouse cup, it was like years ago when MU treat the same to carling cup. most club will appreciate cup more when they failed to win anything, just ask any major clubs whether they want to finish empty handed or having UEFA trophy on their cabinet.
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lol i might b went too far to cal UEFA Cup that way though. but its not that hard t understand when u compare it with the CL. laugh.gif tongue.gif

n after much replies here, i see that the big factor is indeed the audio n visual problem of the broadcast here. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 3 2006, 03:43 PM)
n after much replies here, i see that the big factor is indeed the audio n visual problem of the broadcast here.  doh.gif
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i think so, i remember watching inter and ac millian in that 4-3 match.....if the pic was clear and there was closer view, more "atmospheric" atmosphere. it'll be a joy.........but instead i felt like i was watching singapore cup in the end i couldnt stand it and changed the channel.

same with spanish footy, i dont know about international channels but the commentators suxs soo bad i fall asleep in 15 mins.

*with weird spanish monotone accent*

raul pass to carlos, carlos goes beats defender, crosses, goal.....goal...wat a wonderful goal


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It's funny that there's once I heard a commentator said something like..

"A pass the ball to B! B pass back the ball to A! A kicks the ball back to B!!!!! The ball kicks B!" etc..

He was so excited (shiok sendiri) until he embarassed himself.

(Forgot which match tho, it was during my primary school)
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QUOTE(akRia @ Nov 30 2006, 07:34 PM)
thats the thing...but they always got team that win at least 4-0 easily..
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n oso 4-4 scoreline sumtimes laugh.gif or mabe 5-4 winner rclxms.gif

QUOTE(jdreamer @ Dec 3 2006, 05:25 PM)
It's funny that there's once I heard a commentator said something like..

"A pass the ball to B! B pass back the ball to A! A kicks the ball back to B!!!!! The ball kicks B!" etc..

He was so excited (shiok sendiri) until he embarassed himself.

(Forgot which match tho, it was during my primary school)
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yeah.seriously other european leagues coverage sux 2 the max.the commentary oso tarak standard one.i can fall asleep halfway easily one.its like watching msia cup final only. doh.gif doh.gif not sure about our southern neighbours starhub channel though.

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the video is okla. but sometimes the flare create a fog in the stadium that there is nothing to watch.

as for commentary, i shut it off tongue.gif
rather listen to john mayer than the idiots...
same goes for La Liga...utterly hopeless the Paul Greenturner fella...boring and idiotic..

why i dont watch all Serie A matches? because Juventus is not there. i still believe that Juve will win Serie A with that team of theirs. Even with "cheating", in my mind there is no doubt they had enough quality to do it the right way which is hard to see why they chose cheating :S

anyway i'll be in serie B for a year or two! tongue.gif
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I give up on Serie A long time ago. The last time I follow is during Maradona, Gullit, Matthaues era. Last time, all the best players in the world are in Italy but not anymore now.
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Yes, after Juve is down sad.gif
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lol, what a sad case that people give up Serie A simply bcoz no Juve there.

so Juve = Italian beautiful football ? bah. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Yeah, Juve is one of the best Serie A team last 2 year...
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QUOTE(ImanAzlan @ Dec 5 2006, 10:15 PM)
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Yeah, Juve is one of the best Serie A team last 2 year...
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Well, my point is, Juve has the great attacking, unlike Most SerieA Clubs, but heck, AS Roma and AC Milan also have attacking mind leh... Unlike Inter...
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QUOTE(ImanAzlan @ Dec 6 2006, 07:31 AM)
Well, my point is, Juve has the great attacking, unlike Most SerieA Clubs, but heck, AS Roma and AC Milan also have attacking mind leh... Unlike Inter...
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lol n what i try to say there is that Serie A is not juz abt Juve. There are pretty others that make the league lively n enjoyable. its juz sad to hear that people give up Serie A juz bcoz Juve is not there.
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Hmmm... to be honest EPL and La Liga have more entertainers than Serie A

EPL = ronaldo, robben, henry , Joe Cole, Van Perssie, Rooney, Giggs , Kuyt , Tevez , Baptista

La Liga = Ronaldinho ( of cuz la -.- ) , Ronaldo , Robinho, Riquelme,Aimar , Eto, Messi , Denilson (oni know how to dribble <--- zzz ), Kanote

Serie A = List me pls cuz i dun watch as much as u guys do tongue.gif (erm dribbler )


Anyway.. players who played in EPL when they transfer to other leagues they can actualy perform better in other Leagues such players like:

Kanoute
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Morientes

CUz they actualy used to EPL s tight and fast defence marking... they can actualy have more space in other leagues compare to EPL
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I think it become boring due to the Commentator speak not exciting
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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 6 2006, 02:35 PM)
Hmmm... to be honest EPL and La Liga have more entertainers than Serie A

EPL = ronaldo, robben, henry , Joe Cole, Van Perssie, Rooney, Giggs , Kuyt , Tevez , Baptista

La Liga = Ronaldinho ( of cuz la -.- ) , Ronaldo , Robinho, Riquelme,Aimar , Eto, Messi , Denilson (oni know how to dribble <--- zzz ), Kanote

Serie A = List me pls cuz i dun watch as much as u guys do tongue.gif (erm dribbler )
Anyway.. players who played in EPL when they transfer to other leagues they can actualy perform better in other Leagues such players like:

Kanoute
Nistelroy
Forlan
Morientes

CUz they actualy used to EPL s tight and fast defence marking... they can actualy have more space in other leagues compare to EPL
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haha

as in , when u watch the match you can actualy go like " fuyo~~~~ , OMG~~~~ ," like they do skills... like ronaldinho.... u dun like to watch c.ronaldo or ronaldinho play?
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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 7 2006, 08:55 PM)
haha

as in , when u watch the match you can actualy go like " fuyo~~~~ , OMG~~~~ ," like they do skills... like ronaldinho.... u dun like to  watch c.ronaldo or ronaldinho play?
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well if thats what u mean by 'entertainer', Serie A never short of it.

as for EPL or La Liga hav more or better, well, u can think as u like then. but i do hope u can give Serie A a try if got chance. rolleyes.gif
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SerieA - Top dribblers:

Nedved,
Vieira,
Ibrahimovic (But bad finishing)
Totti...

I cant find others...
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QUOTE(ImanAzlan @ Dec 8 2006, 12:11 AM)
SerieA - Top dribblers:

Nedved,
Vieira,
Ibrahimovic (But bad finishing)
Totti...

I cant find others...
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kaka, seedorf, bresciano, taddei are good dribblers too imo.
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other notable dribblers : Esposito, Mancini, Figo, Di Natale, etc.

speaking of Kaka, lol look how he outplayed n outpaced Messi so easily. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 8 2006, 04:03 PM)
other notable dribblers : Esposito, Mancini, Figo, Di Natale, etc.

speaking of Kaka, lol look how he outplayed n outpaced Messi so easily.  laugh.gif


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kaka accelerates first. u can see later messi can keep the same distance with but fail to chase him down.

perotta shows he can drible too. 1 fella dribble pass 3 player n the goalie laugh.gif
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kaka accelerates first. u can see later messi can keep the same distance with but fail to chase him down.

perotta shows he can drible too. 1 fella dribble pass 3 player n the goalie  laugh.gif
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i agree on u.. kaka is not as fast as henry, ronaldo, messi..
but his 'acceleration' makes him create a distance before he decide to shoot,pass or dribble..
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Indeed Seria A stil got good clubs in Roma and Inter(clubs i support in Seria A)..(anti AC.. tongue.gif )..but sumhow they cant show da quality they have...I dunno wat happened to AC once Sheva went to Chelsea...Its like they lost their ways or sumthin..They stil got their star players but stil..Inter on da other hand got so MANY quality players and yet they cant really perform well..Sure they'r winning now but wit da quality they have they should at least perform better..So far Roma has been performing well and its a good sight for Seria A cuz there's another title contender to rival Inter tis year..But next year Juve's back! drool.gif

But stil I prefer EPL...Da players r passionate and v physical..They play no nonsense games...I think EPL possesses alot of variations in term of game play and style..If u wan
fluid and good passing team u can count on MU..If stylish and flamboyant passing there's Arsenal..If u wan technical and physical play(fast pace also possible due to da fact tat they got a big squad! vmad.gif )there's Chelsea..And If u wan orthodox wit Spanish flavor style of play u can watch liverpool(better watch wen they're at home tongue.gif )

Not to forget those mid-table teams..Tottetham might not be doin well but da abundance in talent wil speak for itself soon..Aston Villa is doin really well wit their limited squad under Martin O'neil and Blackburn and Bolton as owez play a physical and open game..West Ham has tis Eng old-school type of game play and its nice to c alot of english players in da team..So many variations in 1league..wat more do u wan? icon_rolleyes.gif icon_idea.gif
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its all biasness... i just dont like italian league. no need better reason. i grew up with epl and will always be an epl fan.

england team? nah, epl only!
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Dec 9 2006, 04:40 AM)
Indeed Seria A stil got good clubs in Roma and Inter(clubs i support in Seria A)..(anti AC.. tongue.gif )..but sumhow they cant show da quality they have...I dunno wat happened to AC once Sheva went to Chelsea...Its like they lost their ways or sumthin..They stil got their star players but stil..Inter on da other hand got so MANY quality players and yet they cant really perform well..Sure they'r winning now but wit da quality they have they should at least perform better..So far Roma has been performing well and its a good sight for Seria A cuz there's another title contender to rival Inter tis year..But next year Juve's back! drool.gif

But stil I prefer EPL...Da players r passionate and v physical..They play no nonsense games...I think EPL possesses alot of variations in term of game play and style..If u wan
fluid and good passing team u can count on MU..If stylish and flamboyant passing there's Arsenal..If u wan technical and physical play(fast pace also possible due to da fact tat they got a big squad! vmad.gif )there's Chelsea..And If u wan orthodox wit Spanish flavor style of play u can watch liverpool(better watch wen they're at home tongue.gif )

Not to forget those mid-table teams..Tottetham might not be doin well but da abundance in talent wil speak for itself soon..Aston Villa is doin really well wit their limited squad under Martin O'neil and Blackburn and Bolton as owez play a physical and open game..West Ham has tis Eng old-school type of game play and its nice to c alot of english players in da team..So many variations in 1league..wat more do u wan? icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Dec 9 2006, 04:40 AM)
Indeed Seria A stil got good clubs in Roma and Inter(clubs i support in Seria A)..(anti AC.. tongue.gif )..but sumhow they cant show da quality they have...I dunno wat happened to AC once Sheva went to Chelsea...Its like they lost their ways or sumthin..They stil got their star players but stil..Inter on da other hand got so MANY quality players and yet they cant really perform well..Sure they'r winning now but wit da quality they have they should at least perform better..So far Roma has been performing well and its a good sight for Seria A cuz there's another title contender to rival Inter tis year..But next year Juve's back! drool.gif

But stil I prefer EPL...Da players r passionate and v physical..They play no nonsense games...I think EPL possesses alot of variations in term of game play and style..If u wan
fluid and good passing team u can count on MU..If stylish and flamboyant passing there's Arsenal..If u wan technical and physical play(fast pace also possible due to da fact tat they got a big squad! vmad.gif )there's Chelsea..And If u wan orthodox wit Spanish flavor style of play u can watch liverpool(better watch wen they're at home tongue.gif )

Not to forget those mid-table teams..Tottetham might not be doin well but da abundance in talent wil speak for itself soon..Aston Villa is doin really well wit their limited squad under Martin O'neil and Blackburn and Bolton as owez play a physical and open game..West Ham has tis Eng old-school type of game play and its nice to c alot of english players in da team..So many variations in 1league..wat more do u wan? icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_idea.gif
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i can come out wif a long arguement that what u juz said there, Serie A hav it too. but i'll juz cut it. laugh.gif

mayb like EightPhantomz said, its all biasness. damn i might b too bias there. tongue.gif

btw, juz can't resist put this here (yes, I'm a Totti fanboy tongue.gif ) :

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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 9 2006, 10:10 AM)
i can come out wif a long arguement that what u juz said there, Serie A hav it too. but i'll juz cut it.  laugh.gif

mayb like EightPhantomz said, its all biasness. damn i might b too bias there.  tongue.gif

btw, juz can't resist put this here (yes, I'm a Totti fanboy  tongue.gif ) :

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hehe...act i oso like totti v much..I think Roma is a good side to watch..They got young but talented footballers...If possible hope to meet them in Champions league..Hopefully in da finals.. tongue.gif
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The whole of Malaysia is biased towards the EPL. We La Liga and Serie A fans are a dying breed.

All the over-hyped greatness of the EPL surely wil cause a majority of the younger generation to start supporting EPL clubs. Sad indeed how Malaysian media portrays the EPL...
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Dec 16 2006, 11:17 AM)
The whole of Malaysia is biased towards the EPL. We La Liga and Serie A fans are a dying breed.

All the over-hyped greatness of the EPL surely wil cause a majority of the younger generation to start supporting EPL clubs. Sad indeed how Malaysian media portrays the EPL...
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Nope.. i always been neutral and by that ive found that epl is more interesting than other league..
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Nope.. i always been neutral and by that ive found that epl is more interesting than other league..
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I still feel Italian football is boring no matter how they play...maybe its because of thier fans and the Commentator... They seems too quiet and makes the match looks boring... When they play in CL... the atmosphere always better with a better commentator and fans..

However i think AC do play an interesting football now with kaka... i dont see AC dat intresting last time ~
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I think AC is good with marek Jankulovski on their side...
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no offence but....totti is a super fiver and a very very cheeky player... most of the serie A players hates his attitude..
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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 16 2006, 10:40 PM)
no offence but....totti is a super fiver and a very very cheeky player... most of the serie A players hates his attitude..
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firstly, pardon my ignorance, but what on earth is a 'super fiver' ?

2nd, u claimed that u didn't watch Serie A. now whats the base of the above statement ?

3rd, is that hav anything to do wif 'Serie A being boring' ? i would more than happy if u wanna debate abt this in Roma thread.
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QUOTE(ImanAzlan @ Dec 16 2006, 09:44 PM)
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I think AC is good with marek Jankulovski on their side...
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Well no matter how dull the Serie A may be, Italian clubs play winning football, unlike Arsenal. sweat.gif
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Well no matter how dull the Serie A may be, Italian clubs play winning football, unlike Arsenal.  sweat.gif
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Pay RM3888 to MAS , then you can watch loh...

Besides, I love Lega Calcio (SerieA, SerieB, SerieC) because many Czech International in the league...
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Arsenal just needs a little more steel in the midfield and more experience.

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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 16 2006, 11:59 PM)
firstly, pardon my ignorance, but what on earth is a 'super fiver' ?

2nd, u claimed that u didn't watch Serie A. now whats the base of the above statement ?

3rd, is that hav anything to do wif 'Serie A being boring' ? i would more than happy if u wanna debate abt this in Roma thread.
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i think he meant super diver? i could be wrong la as i am saying that becausse he said cheeky as well.

anyway i am a juve fan and i think if the arguement is based on this year's lack of attendance and people watching (me included, i stopped watching edi until next season thumbup.gif thumbup.gif ) i will say that Juve are an attraction. Main one? Debatable but I doubt anyone would argue that Juventus bring a certain degree of class to the Serie A.

as for totti? no offence chrisky, but i too am with platini on his opinion of totti.
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Didn't seen Roma games so much these days... but i still used to love totti...remember he used to have a Cannon long shots and free kicks...not sure for now..since the long injury..didnt watch his games ard T.T
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Dec 17 2006, 03:43 PM)
i think he meant super diver? i could be wrong la as i am saying that becausse he said cheeky as well.

anyway i am a juve fan and i think if the arguement is based on this year's lack of attendance and people watching (me included, i stopped watching edi until next season  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif ) i will say that Juve are an attraction. Main one? Debatable but I doubt anyone would argue that Juventus bring a certain degree of class to the Serie A.

as for totti? no offence chrisky, but i too am with platini on his opinion of totti.
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if Totti fit the bil as 'super diver', i wonder how we catergorize some others players like u-know-who-lah. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Dec 17 2006, 04:26 PM)
Didn't seen Roma games so much these days... but i still used to love totti...remember he used to have a Cannon long shots and free kicks...not sure for now..since the long injury..didnt watch his games ard T.T
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act diver is a subjective thing to say..Its hard to say who's a diver and who's not..Sumtimes da players do it on purpose and sumtimes they juz cant control their balance and was lucky enuff to be given a penalty..Anyone who wants to win owez tend to dive if there's a need for it esp durin desperate moments..I for once condemn diving but sumtimes its hard to judge such thing as if ur player was to dive one would juz say tat he used his 'brain'.. tongue.gif

Totti has owez been a winner and never accepts losing..Well most of da players out there hates losing anyways.. biggrin.gif However Totti is a bit 'egoistic' wen it comes to win or lose..He's determined to make his team no matter wat method is used.. rolleyes.gif

Its juz plain normal actually..Diving is becoming one of football's essential need..I mean
needs to win ofcuz..Its hard to curb but u can owez try..Putting technology stuffs on da pitch will only damage football as a whole..Imagine referees pause for every challenge committed...tat would make football much much more longer.. rclxub.gif (like wats happening to American games).. shocking.gif
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I'm sure most players are trained nowadays to go down upon the slightest feeling of contact; no benefit to keep trying to go on.

Maybe referees should be allowed to exercise more judgment and not give free kicks for soft fouls. But then again this could lead to more players getting injured - Chicken and egg situation. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Dec 18 2006, 11:13 PM)
act diver is a subjective thing to say..Its hard to say who's a diver and who's not..Sumtimes da players do it on purpose and sumtimes they juz cant control their balance and was lucky enuff to be given a penalty..Anyone who wants to win owez tend to dive if there's a need for it esp durin desperate moments..I for once condemn diving but sumtimes its hard to judge such thing as if ur player was to dive one would juz say tat he used his 'brain'.. tongue.gif

Totti has owez been a winner and never accepts losing..Well most of da players out there hates losing anyways.. biggrin.gif However Totti is a bit 'egoistic' wen it comes to win or lose..He's determined to make his team no matter wat method is used.. rolleyes.gif

Its juz plain normal actually..Diving is becoming one of football's essential need..I mean
needs to win ofcuz..Its hard to curb but u can owez try..Putting technology stuffs on da pitch will only damage football as a whole..Imagine referees pause for every challenge committed...tat would make football much much more longer.. rclxub.gif (like wats happening to American games).. shocking.gif
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lol to b honest, i'm kinda lost here. Is the topic now became 'does Totti dived' ? laugh.gif
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Unless you have supremely creative and technically gifted players is it possible to win beautiful at the highest level?

The Bolton v Arsenal dillema;

Bolton, a weaker side on paper, Sam Allerdice gets 110% out of his team by playing direct football.

Arsenal meanwhile, a much stronger side on paper, Wenger can only get 100% at best out of his team by playing beautiful.

Does the 10% make a difference? You could argue the higher the level of football the less 'efficiency' you could get out of your team by tweaking the tactics.
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 19 2006, 09:42 AM)
lol to b honest, i'm kinda lost here. Is the topic now became 'does Totti dived' ?  laugh.gif
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Unless you have supremely creative and technically gifted players is it possible to win beautiful at the highest level?

The Bolton v Arsenal dillema;

Bolton, a weaker side on paper, Sam Allerdice gets 110% out of his team by playing direct football.

Arsenal meanwhile, a much stronger side on paper, Wenger can only get 100% at best out of his team by playing beautiful.

Does the 10% make a difference? You could argue the higher the level of football the less 'efficiency' you could get out of your team by tweaking the tactics.
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where on earth does 110 percent come from? why cant we say that big sam takes 100 percent out of the players and others only can ooze 90 percent out of their players
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Long ball merchants they may be but Bolton do play some nice stuff at times. The truth is they are a very physical side and likes to get stuck in and get into people's faces, which they did to great effect vs Liverpool and Arsenal. Flair players generally don't like being hustled around, Sam Allardyce knew that and his team are adept at doing that.

Oh back to topic.. I think tactical and technical wise Serie A is not that dull. I watch premiership more often but do watch Serie A also, they're alright..I think it is due to running tracks or fences that separates the pitch and the crowd, which makes atmosphere quite poor on tv at least.

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where on earth does 110 percent come from? why cant we say that big sam takes 100 percent out of the players and others only can ooze 90 percent out of their players
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Just inflating figures. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(king_z @ Dec 20 2006, 12:59 AM)
Long ball merchants they may be but Bolton do play some nice stuff at times. The truth is they are a very physical side and likes to get stuck in and get into people's faces, which they did to great effect vs Liverpool and Arsenal. Flair players generally don't like being hustled around, Sam Allardyce knew that and his team are adept at doing that.

Oh back to topic.. I think tactical and technical wise Serie A is not that dull. I watch premiership more often but do watch Serie A also, they're alright..I think it is due to running tracks or fences that separates the pitch and the crowd, which makes atmosphere quite poor on tv at least.
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haha..i think ur right..maybe thats y malaysian football is super dull bcoz of the running tracks + very very poor quality of football..

sumtimes serie a can b exciting.it depends on which team is on.if its ac or juve or inter then its gonna b fun and exciting.if its palermo or udinese or sum other crappy teams then.. BORINGG..
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QUOTE(arjenayai @ Jun 28 2007, 12:24 AM)
haha..i think ur right..maybe thats y malaysian football is super dull bcoz of the running tracks + very very poor quality of football..

sumtimes serie a can b exciting.it depends on which team is on.if its ac or juve or inter then its gonna b fun and exciting.if its palermo or udinese or sum other crappy teams then.. BORINGG..
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is it?? hmm.gif haha.. im sorry if im bringing up sum old issues here.. im kinda new here, just trying to speak up my mind.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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To be honest seeing an Italian club play is kinda boring. Is true that they are too defensive minded to the game. But one thing I love from the Seria A is their stunning long-shots. It is bizzare, fantastic, impressive, C4, nuclear and what so ever to describe my admiration to their long-shots. Comentator is another factor that makes me wanna change the channel, you know "BORING!"

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btw,i like serie A more than epl,serie A counter-attack more fast and interesting
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QUOTE(DaGlue @ Jun 28 2007, 12:19 PM)
Comentator is another factor that makes me wanna change the channel, you know "BORING!"
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so true.. d commentor is like tryng to 'dodoi' us to sleep lah.. mayb shud ask shebby replace lah.. haha laugh.gif

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QUOTE(arjenayai @ Jun 28 2007, 08:00 PM)
so true.. d commentor is like tryng to 'dodoi' us to sleep lah.. mayb shud ask shebby replace lah.. haha  laugh.gif
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really....try listen to La Liga commentator....even better
......ghonaldinio......eto....eto...messii...back to vilia vilia vilia goal...just like tat.....

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QUOTE(Punish @ Jun 28 2007, 08:04 PM)
really....try listen to La Liga commentator....even better
......ghonaldinio......eto....eto...messii...back to vilia vilia vilia goal...just like tat.....

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their english is poor or they dont have background knowledge rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 28 2007, 08:11 PM)
their english is poor or they dont have background knowledge  rclxub.gif
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suprizingly when they comment with Italian Language its totaly different.

just listen to this...


Passion

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QUOTE(Punish @ Jun 28 2007, 09:30 PM)
suprizingly when they comment with Italian Language its totaly different.

just listen to this...


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told u so..i thnk it is d language barrier then prevent them frm showing their 'passion' whch makes it boringg.. maybe astro shud put d italian commentor la.. baru UHMM..

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it's gotta be the commentator, the stadium and the fans.
the commentator is the worst.

but this season is lack of competitiveness due to penalty on juve and milan
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ya.i agree the serie A is very boring..fall asleep when listen to the commentator...and the fans no discipline.and quite not exciting because no juventus and the mark deduct on milan.
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lol Italian football with Juve = good, while Italian football without Juve = bad ?

ROFLMAO, give me a break. biggrin.gif
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Years ago, i'll say serie-a is the most boring league. But now, there's been a shift towards more attacking play, so i'd say the serie-a is pretty good.

 

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