QUOTE(phoenixxx @ Mar 28 2017, 10:53 AM)
After over a year, my the construction of my house is almost complete. It hasn't been a smooth journey and there were many delays and problems throughout.
As of now, the headaches have not ended. My contractor has just slapped me with a "rough" estimate of additional cost of around RM30-40k. I'm not sure if it could be more.
Over the course of the renovation, he would often do or suggest things to me in a way that made me feel he really wanted to build me my perfect dream house. Often, he would suggest, very subtly, that I should add this, or do that a different way. Always reminding me that he wants the best for me and that he's actually putting in extra effort and going the extra mile for me. He even told me he will absorb the cost.
My mistake was believing him that he's really doing all this out of the kindness of his heart. I have not seen the additional bill yet, but all of this will be counted in and
"more". Worst still, he has started to count in additional things that he "forgot" to quote previously.
Example, new autogate - forgot to quote armor cable. Washrooms, forgot to quote the countertops. Things like that are too obvious to be left out for an experienced contractor and only now am I realizing that this is his way to squeeze more out of us.
Also, the "more" part is the fact that I would not have agreed to do certain things had I known he will charge me. For example, I would not have changed my old wooden doors who are still in excellent condition only to have him tell me now that the same quality doors now will cost me a bomb. The worst thing is, he took all my old stuff away - wooden doors, my auto gate, the motor, old roof tiles ... everything that had value even when I told him not to.
A lot of these things, had I known the price upfront, I may have opted not to do or change them at all.
Right now, I've paid him 90% and he's already in the safe zone even if he were to stop and leave right now. He has always told me how tight he was and his workers were often unpaid or delayed. Recently, I went through the quote again and calculated all the things that he still has not delivered. Only then I realized that what he has delivered so far is much less than what I have paid him. In other words, I am very much ahead in terms of payments.
And I'm stuck - since now 100% payment is no longer the originally agreed sum, but including the additional things which I haven't seen yet. And what's stopping him from asking more if I continue to pay him? As long as the house is not complete, I will be at his mercy.
Hope all of you undergoing renovations will gain something from my sharing and not repeat my mistakes.
- any "suggestions" that your contractor makes - ask upfront what it will cost you. There is no such thing as "free" or "kind" - no matter how he tries to portray it.
- make note of everything you want to keep (if renovating an old house) and make sure your contractor knows you will calculate it with him if he insist on taking them
- your itemized, detailed quote is your best friend. Track your progress payments against what the contractor has done so far based on the quote. Over 1 year of dealing with this guy has made lax and drop my guard.
At this stage, I am really no longer excited about my "Old house to dream house" project. I bit off more than I can chew and embarked on such a huge project and ended up with delays, police reports, syabas, majlis (really, there's more and I couldn't share all of them here) and now being held hostage by this nice guy contractor.
I had my reservations about sharing the contact of this guy to all of you who asked and I'm glad I didn't.
Sorry to hear about your experience. The "missed out costs" I would consider deliberate in some instances but in most cases things like armour cable is easily missed out from adding to project cost if contractor's inundated with work.As of now, the headaches have not ended. My contractor has just slapped me with a "rough" estimate of additional cost of around RM30-40k. I'm not sure if it could be more.
Over the course of the renovation, he would often do or suggest things to me in a way that made me feel he really wanted to build me my perfect dream house. Often, he would suggest, very subtly, that I should add this, or do that a different way. Always reminding me that he wants the best for me and that he's actually putting in extra effort and going the extra mile for me. He even told me he will absorb the cost.
My mistake was believing him that he's really doing all this out of the kindness of his heart. I have not seen the additional bill yet, but all of this will be counted in and
"more". Worst still, he has started to count in additional things that he "forgot" to quote previously.
Example, new autogate - forgot to quote armor cable. Washrooms, forgot to quote the countertops. Things like that are too obvious to be left out for an experienced contractor and only now am I realizing that this is his way to squeeze more out of us.
Also, the "more" part is the fact that I would not have agreed to do certain things had I known he will charge me. For example, I would not have changed my old wooden doors who are still in excellent condition only to have him tell me now that the same quality doors now will cost me a bomb. The worst thing is, he took all my old stuff away - wooden doors, my auto gate, the motor, old roof tiles ... everything that had value even when I told him not to.
A lot of these things, had I known the price upfront, I may have opted not to do or change them at all.
Right now, I've paid him 90% and he's already in the safe zone even if he were to stop and leave right now. He has always told me how tight he was and his workers were often unpaid or delayed. Recently, I went through the quote again and calculated all the things that he still has not delivered. Only then I realized that what he has delivered so far is much less than what I have paid him. In other words, I am very much ahead in terms of payments.
And I'm stuck - since now 100% payment is no longer the originally agreed sum, but including the additional things which I haven't seen yet. And what's stopping him from asking more if I continue to pay him? As long as the house is not complete, I will be at his mercy.
Hope all of you undergoing renovations will gain something from my sharing and not repeat my mistakes.
- any "suggestions" that your contractor makes - ask upfront what it will cost you. There is no such thing as "free" or "kind" - no matter how he tries to portray it.
- make note of everything you want to keep (if renovating an old house) and make sure your contractor knows you will calculate it with him if he insist on taking them
- your itemized, detailed quote is your best friend. Track your progress payments against what the contractor has done so far based on the quote. Over 1 year of dealing with this guy has made lax and drop my guard.
At this stage, I am really no longer excited about my "Old house to dream house" project. I bit off more than I can chew and embarked on such a huge project and ended up with delays, police reports, syabas, majlis (really, there's more and I couldn't share all of them here) and now being held hostage by this nice guy contractor.
I had my reservations about sharing the contact of this guy to all of you who asked and I'm glad I didn't.
Have heard over the years of contractors proposing cheap renovation cost only to have the bills run up when changes are made or added to the original plan. When this happens and the renovation is already underway, you're more or less stuck with these guys.
It's not that they are crooks but these are the tricks of the trade learnt in order to create profit after committing to a lower original cost. So always be dead sure of what you want done before you appoint a contractor, it's not so straight forward but try to minimize changes as much as possible.
If the contractor is purchasing things on your behalf, always insist for the original receipt to be provided to you. It is your right after all. It may be a negligible request but it may avoid unreasonable price bumps in items purchased and always ask for receipt of the place purchased from. Never the contractors own receipt.
This post has been edited by adrianjc: Mar 28 2017, 11:19 AM
Mar 28 2017, 11:17 AM

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