Oh well Continuation from V3 then...

Sorry then, I refrain from rantings from now on >_<. Yeah tend to get overcarried with Dell purchases sometimes (the nightmare and time that I had to undergo). The previous topic is like becoming a Dell discussion topic.

Question 1 - 16.2millions colors is as what is written. LCD Panel had two varieties (IIRC, correct me if i'm wrong), one is a 6-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.2million colors, another is the 8-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.7million colors. It doesnt mean your LCD can support only 16bit, you can put 32 bit no problem. It is just that a single pixel on your LCD is capable of delivering that kind of amount of color variation. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong)

Question 2 - Almost all LCD had a standart figure for refresh rate, and those refresh rate is normally @ 60Hz. 75Hz and all those are normally involved with CRT monitors. The best resolution to put your LCD monitor is the native resolution that is offered for that particular LCD monitor, for example, a 20 inch Wide Screen will have native res' of 1680*1050@60Hz, while a 24 inch wide will have 1920*1200@60Hz.

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 28 2006, 07:47 PM

It is not the problem of the widescreen LCD, but the game itself. Most newer games does offer native widescreen support, though some will need a sort of hack to unlock widescreen resolution (for example, all NFS series to date, including the latest Carbon)

Games such as WoW, Guildwars, Oblivion, etc all had native widescreen res' support, so those games will play in full screen on a WS LCD.

For older games like Warcraft III or something, yeah you have to bear with the 2 black bars on the side so the game dont appear fat.

But is safe to say that widescreen support will be avalable to almost all future released games, though for some reason EA kept on $%@ that up with the NFS series, lazy ppl, they just need to add the option and some extra coding for Carbon to support WS, since it's XBox 360 counterpart supports WS in the first place >_<

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Viewing angle is dependant on the panel used, as TN offer the least viewing angle and S-PVA/S-IPS panels offer the best viewing angle. Something like that.

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 29 2006, 08:14 AM

Carbon doesnt have native WS support because EA is being lazy. A large number of EA game doesnt have native WS support, IIRC the latest Battlefield also doesnt have it.

But other than EA, most other game developers give proper WS support on their games.

BTW, Carbon is hackable to enable WS support, it is mentioned somewhere in the Widescreen Topic.

And as I say, future wise, WS will be one of the norm alongside the ordinary 4:3 aspect monitors, and more games will be released to support WS.

WS had an edge of giving more viewing area, and this holds esp. true for FPS game as you can see a wider view.

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Oh well I guess that's enough about WS VS Normal LCD >_<.

Dell 240WFP7 lowest price that I saw before (might be wrong, but this is what I remember) is RM2450 or RM2499 (around there)

If you have no hurries for a LCD Monitor, and willing to wait, and want to get a 2407WFP, then you can wait. I am sure the 2.4k range price will come back one day, just a matter of when only. It might happen on the next price revision, or the following month, or 2-3 months down the road.

The idea of the best and affordable screen to get in the market is very vague if you didnt provide a budget . Some might say a 1.3k LCD is affordable, but some ppl will say anything that goes above the 1k mark is not affordable.

LCD has no problems with this, only when it comes to CRT Monitors that you want a higher refresh rate to induce less "flicker" images that you might notice (for example, if you snap a photo on film, a CRT will show flickers but an LCD dont)

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 29 2006, 07:05 PM

*Sweatdrop*

You sure about that? Only in PC Fair? I am paying like an extra RM250 if this is true >_<. Do update me if the price is true, bcoz I will call up Dell and made hell out of their phoneline about this matter.

Hmm BTW, did Dell ever had booths in PC Fair? I cant seriously remember. Maybe they do, but do they sell LCD Monitors there? I was under the impression their main sales are driven through online/telephony, only certain models made it to shops in LYP.

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BTW about cleaning up the LCD Monitor, I cant seem to find a good place to purchase 3M Clothes to wipe my monitor. Any ideas where to get it?

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 30 2006, 11:24 PM

#$@# It is true. Dell online price just got updated to RM2349 with Free 5 years warranty. OMG, tomorrow I am going to call sales and make complain. I rather cancel my order and lose RM80 (possibily) and reorder on the new price instead.

It is RM250 cheaper than the RM2599 I ordered two days back. Grrrrrr....

On other news, the other LCDs on Dell also encounter some form of price drop.

Dell 2007WFP is @RM1299
Dell E207WFP is @RM1099
Dell 1907Fp is @RM849.

All these come with Free 5 years Warranty.

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 1 2006, 12:09 AM

I was in a hurry to make a new order for refunding my 2007WFP (refunding while having a new order in place will waive every single refunding process, and ensuring i get back the exact amount I paid). Oh well nvm I call up tomorrow and see the sales can do anything for me or not. Worse come to the worse I lose up some money to cancel and reorder. Still can save RM250.

No I havent receive the LCD because the estimate delivery is around next Tues-Thrus.

But the cheque has been cleared >_<. Oh well I'll see what the sales can do for me tomorrow. Must call them up and make noise >_<

Errm enough of my ordeal with Dell in LCD Topic >_<. Last LCD topic version my ordeal with Dell also telan so many unnecessary postings, I will refrain from posting anymore. Maybe I make a small post/update tomorrow to update if I can get any refund or any cancellation/reordering to take place or not.

Signing off the topic for now

It should be 3 years warranty. I dont remember Dell offering 4 years warranty before, it should be either 3 or 5 years IIRC.

The banding issue is more or less totally eliminated on the recent batches of Dell monitors, and currently Dell monitor for both 2007WFP and 2407WFP is standing at Revision A03.

Most of the LCD Monitor reviews online arefor both of these monitor are usually on the Rev A00, which are well known for Banding due to some color chip issue (in fact Banding issue are ongoing until RevA02 on some online reports). Dell kinda recitify this issue on the desktop mode (by disabling something), but it still exisit in some extend on the other two modes which is Multimedia and Gaming mode. But normal day to day use you probably even noticed the banding, and if you stick to Desktop mode (as most of users do, too lazy to switch mode so many single time for me) you probably wont see any banding at all.

Layman opinion is if the monitor has zero dead/stuck pixel on delivery, it is good enough

About the worth of the 2407WFP, yes the price is higher, doubling the price of 2007WFP (in fact you can buy 2 2007WFP with the normal price). But need to ask you back, if you can shell that kind of money, and what are you going to use the monitor for?

24 inch true power comes with it's higher native resolution, which is 1920*1200 when compared to the 1680*1050 res' that is offered on the 20 inch wide counterpart. The S-PVA used on the 2407 might be slightly lower in terms of overall picture quality on the S-IPS 2007WFP (esp the A02 version, it has one of the best pic quality I saw, even better than the A03, but that might be just me), but Contrast wise and Brightness wise, the 2407 emerge as victors. Also not forgetting the response time.

Some micellaneous extras that 2407WFP has over the 2007WFP is an additional 9 in 2 card reader, and a Component input. My friend has clarified for me by hooking the Sony PS2 using component instead of composite/s-video, the picture quality has tremendously improve and they're are less scanlines and flicker to worry about. Scanlines and flickers, esp. on text are very notorious on the composite input >_< (it is expected anyways). Most monitors nowadays, which includes the 2407WFP has HDCP support, so no problem in displaying HD videos for the future on Vista, XBox360, or the PS3 (you can always use HDMI -> DVI convertor for hooking up those future console onto a Dell LCD)

Oh an I forget, the additional 4 inch is quite alot, the monitor look significantly bigger, in fact when my frn first receive it (he was upgrading from 17 inch LCD i think) he say it is too big (yeah right, nothing is too big in this world )

So if it is up to you to think about is the almost double price of 2407WFP is worth the money or not. My 2407WFP will only be delivered around next week, so I cant say anything about owning it and using it day by day. But my frn received it last weekend and he's enjoying the monitor and has no regrets on his purchase.

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EDIT - Small update. I got a refund from Dell due to the current low price of 2407WFP. (Original order price RM2599, current price RM2349). So they will refund me RM250, but I wont be elligible for the 5 years warranty because my order was processed priorly, oh well gain back my money but lose out one offer, still a good result >_<.

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 1 2006, 09:11 AM

Yes it does come with DVI, if it doesnt (maybe due to packaging error), you can call up the Cust. Service and request for them to send it to you.

Use HDMi -> DVI Covertor for PS3 la. IIRC PS3 Component is restricted to 720 output only, when compared to the 1080 ouput through HDMI. So theoritically speaker, the quality of graphics through component will be lower than the HDMI output.

OK I mixed all these 3 together. Dell DO NOT accept cash payment, or bank TT (IIRC). From what I know, it is either Credit Card, Cheque, or Bank Draft.

You can go to any bank, bring the cash, and purchase a bank draft. Once you purchase the bank draft, call up Dell and arrange them to pick it up from you (they'll send someone over your home to pick up the bank draft/cheque).

Once they pick it up, it should take a day from the to clear the transaction, ONLY when the transaction is cleared your order will be processed, then delivery will take place around 3-5 days after the order process provided they're no delays and such.

I am not sure about PC Fair, I dont think Dell sells monitor through COD in PC Fair right? Only a booth to showcase their stuff? Not really sure, havent go PC Fair

News on Dell upcoming new LCD. [WideScreen]

Yes we have the 20inch, 24 inch and the 30inch variant from Dell. So what is next? The 27 inch will be launched in the near future!

Here's a link to the news.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/01/samsung...nt-27-inch-lcd/

For those who is lazy to open the link, here's a summary of the news.

The new 27 inch WideScreen from Dell will be based on Samsung's LTM270M1 panel. This panel is most likely to produce 6ms response time, 3000:1 contrast ratio, 500cd/m2 brightness, and should be encased with the same manner for all Dell LCDs, a black thin frame.

PS - Some other website states that the expected contrast would be 1000:1, so not sure if it is 1k or 3k >_<. Maybe engadget made a typo

No ideas on what is the expected price or any concrete date of launch, but a 27 inch widescreen will sure to be release in the near future from Dell (expectation of course, is around a 2007 release date)


EDIT - More details on the panel that the 27 incher would use (information ripped from Samsung's website)

[LTM270M1]
Size 27.0"
Resolution WUXGA
Number of Pixels 1,920 x 1,200
Active Area(mm) 581.8 x 363.6
Pixel Pitch(mm) 0.303
Mode S-PVA
Number of Colors 16.7M
Contrast Ratio(typ.) 1000:1
Brightness(cd/m2) 500
Response Time(ms at 25°C) 8 (G/G)
Viewing Angle(U/D/L/R) 90/90/90/90
Interface LVDS (2Ch)
Outline Dimension(mm) 651.8 x 397.6 x 38.5

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 2 2006, 01:41 PM

Use a convertor to convert the 2 audio jack in to a jack that is compatible to your sound card/speaker inputs.

Or else you can use a fiber optics for audio (what I did).


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For 1k budget you probably do not to worry about input options as most of LCDs with more input options are above the 1.3k mark. And I think you mean HDCP, not HDMI (HDMI is another form of input, which is technically higher in grade than component)

White LCD Frame, hmm I think a Samsung monitor (forgot which model already, is totally in white, would look very nice )

For technical terms of what is S-PVA, TN, HDCP and all, you can always go to wikipedia and search Been explained so many times in the previous LCD Topic that abit lazy to retype all those info again

Go here --> (http://www.wikipedia.org/)

A screen filter for CRT is actually to reduce glare and some form of radiation. Since LCD does not have radiation at all, so having a filter in front of an LCD would help abit in reducing glare, which is the problem you're having right now. In fact some LCD like Dell has anti-glare coating to counter this problem, I guess the LG L194WT doesnt have anti-glare coating then

EDIT2 - Suprisingly the tech specs for the LG L194WT does have AntiGlare as coating, oh well give the filter a try. You can try putting the old CRT filter above the LCD on one portion to see if the difference would help or not

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 2 2006, 11:08 PM

I think the lowest price it ever went was around that price range as well. Cant remember if it ever hit the 12xx price mark before or not.

Normal. The 24 incher run hotter than the 20 inch counterpart, but it doesnt matter right? It is not too hot until it melts your LCD (BTW one forummer did make a test run on leaving the 24 inch running overnight in a closed room for a night (or was it a whole day?) and part of the plastic behind melted, but the LCD itself is still working ) I think you can find that image somewhere in the old LCD Thread

They havent slapped that so-called Instant Price Redemption yet. All Dell LCDs are overpriced until they go slap some form of price redemption (or as I call it, marketting gimmick )

The 24 incher is priced around 3699 if it werent for that RM1100+ price redemption slapped into it. IN fact the 2007WFP was at 1.6+k as well if it werent for price redemption slapped all around it

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 16 2006, 05:55 PM

If you're using Nvidia graphic cards then on the ctrl panel for the graphic card there is an option to force display to fixed ratio.

I left that on that particular option so when I play non-wide res' it auto output into non-stretched with two black bars at the side.

Just call the toll free number, go to Customer Service or Technical Support (not sure where is it supposed to fall into, but it is ok, they will direct you to the right place netherless)

Call, give your Cust ID (or your name), then tell them your situation. Prepare your LCD Serial Number as well just in case they ask you. For LCD, it is usually next business day exchange policy, that means today you rpt, tomorrow they send in the replacement through DHL logictics.

No it wont. I tried NFS Carbon (since the WS hack for some reason is not working for me) on 1280*1024 for both the 20 and the 24 inch WS Dell and I dont see any ugliness or pixelation. Dell is pretty good when it comes to scalling (though for PlayStation 2 via component/s-video input the scalling tends to be slightly more to the bad side)

1 - I can say, high chances. Well you can call up to exchange, but must be for a valid reason (like Dead Pixel ke, severe backlight bleeding ke), most of the time you can give some stupid reason and they will arrange for a replacement anyways.

2 - They fixed the banding issue properly on the Desktop Mode.

Yes Dell handles upscale (at least for PC source) very well, and for 1024*768 (heck even 640*480), it upscales pretty good for me, cant find and form of pixelation (and I am running the 24 inch that has a native res' of 1920*1200)

I'm not sure about the 22inch as I havent read any reviews about it. But if i'm not mistaken, the 22 inch should be a TN Panel, while the 20 inch 2007WFP should be still on S-IPS Panel (or S-PVA). TN Panel is generally good, it is cheap to produce, has good response time, and overally a good panel, just that viewing angle on a TN would be limited.

So if viewing angle is no problem to you, and you seriously are a pure gamer, you might want to gun for the 22 inch Dell (though I think ViewSonic also have 22 inch variant, and depending on Dell current promotion price, it may be priced higher or lesser than the Dell)

Go read some reviews, think about what you going to use your LCD for.

To me I would not go for a TN Panel bcoz I am primary a movie/anime watcher first, gaming second. And I need the inputs for my PS2. That's why I went for the more expensive S-PVA variant than other TN LCDs like Acer 22 inch or so.

How do you know it is a S-PVA?

If you're talking about the panel code not matching the old A02 panel code of the S-IPS which starts with LG something, then it is that way.

Since Dell hides their panel code now on their system menu.

Try to see if your panel has S-IPS charateristics or not, so far the last time I received the 2007WFP (around November) it is still a S-IPS panel.

Dead pixel that one cant do much >_<, my 2407WFP also have one dead (luckily it is at the corner, so very hard to notice). In fact I had two frns who bought the 2407WFP before and both of them had zero dead pix. My first 2407WFP came in with 3 dead, I complained, they replaced my reordering for me, next shipment got one dead. Anyways 1 dead is better than 3, and I damn fedup with replacing already (I replaced my 2007WFP 3 times, twice by the refurbished brand new [next day replacement], once by reordering)

Huh? You just bought it and they ship you a A02?

The 2007WFP was on Rev A03 for quite some time now. What was your manufacturing month for that LCD? The last time I received the 2007WFP (about early Nov), it was a A03 Manufactured on October 2006.

Call up Customer Service instead, demand them to replace for you, demand for a brand new if you just received it (not more than 7 days I think). A brand new as in reorder again, NOT the next day replacement system. The process for them to reorder and replace for you should take 3 days or so, similar time frame that will be taken when you ordered your LCD before.

No such thing. Just pray hard. Dell is a lottery system. I do know a few shops in LowYat does carry Dell, but only selected models, and most of them are the 17 inch variants. The only way to be sure a LCD is Zero free from dead/stuck pix are to check it throughly before buying it from shops. Since Dell is delivery only basis, too bad...

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 27 2006, 07:52 PM