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 Can I afford a BMW f30 with my current income?

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post Dec 8 2015, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 8 2015, 05:00 PM)
Car loans in Singapore are averaging 2.28% per annum, and I calculated, for $60,000, I'll end up paying about $2,750 in interest after 2 years. The truth of the matter for me is, if I paid off the car in cash (in full), I would have lost something like $40,000 in discounts and rebates and upgrades to the car, so when I did the math, it was more worthwhile for me to take up a minimum loan amount to qualify for greater sa
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For a car priced at $456,000, you only take $60,000 loan for 2 years, some more you take it just because you want to enjoy the discount and rebates... ai ya you post this earlier, i don't have to prepare any excel, simply quote you as an example! laugh.gif
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post Dec 8 2015, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Dec 8 2015, 07:11 PM)
For a car priced at $456,000, you only take $60,000 loan for 2 years, some more you take it just because you want to enjoy the discount and rebates... ai ya you post this earlier, i don't have to prepare any excel, simply quote you as an example! laugh.gif
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Bro, moral of the story: I truly only buy what I can comfortably afford (and what Her Majesty approves - happy wife, happy life).
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post Dec 8 2015, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 8 2015, 12:22 AM)
For what it's worth, I was looking at the new Porker 911 over the weekend. Asking was S$575,000. Decided that was more than my 10% rule, so am now talking to my banker to buy 2 bonds that will pay me about 4-5% annual yield instead. Buy with you head, not your heart. That's the best way to make money.
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Have to point out that your 10% rule is pretty lame to me. Let me explain. I feel that you are just picking a rate(in your case 10%) to justify what you already have in mind as a budget for car. Say, your income is 5mil. You feel uncomfortable buying anything above 500k and so you come out with this rule 10% of annual income to justify your budget. To me, wealth above a certain level, whether you allocate 5% to 50% or even more for luxurious spending, it really doesn't make any difference to your finances. Next time you see a 2mil car or 3 mil car, just buy la, you can afford it. Remember, your net worth is more than that. tongue.gif
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post Dec 8 2015, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Brandon323 @ Dec 8 2015, 07:59 PM)
Have to point out that your 10% rule is pretty lame to me. Let me explain. I feel that you are just picking a rate(in your case 10%) to justify what you already have in mind as a budget for car. Say, your income is 5mil. You feel uncomfortable buying anything above 500k and so you come out with this rule 10% of annual income to justify your budget. To me, wealth above a certain level, whether you allocate 5% to 50% or even more for luxurious spending, it really doesn't make any difference to your finances. Next time you see a 2mil car or 3 mil car, just buy la, you can afford it. Remember, your net worth is more than that. tongue.gif
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I appreciate your opinion, and I respect your view. The 10% rule was put in place long before my present level income, some 30 years ago. The only car I could afford to buy with that rule was a banged up second hand Toyota. It served me well for a good 4 or 5 years until one day the engine overheated and I got stranded....

As my income grew, that 10% rule stayed (in fact, if anything else, the % decreased) because it's really not the number but the discipline: I was perfectly happy with my Toyota, and while I can afford to buy something better now, I still want to remember how happy I was with something much less.

For me, it's a good rule: buy only what I can afford comfortably. When all I could afford was a second hand Toyota, that's what I bought.
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post Dec 8 2015, 10:34 PM

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Wobbles : That's interesting way of looking at own criteria for loans.

I guess you are Singaporean based on what you mention? It's harder for Malaysians to buy a car in sg based on the high COE actually. It would be alot cheaper to buy in Malaysia.

To be frank, for security safety issue (not car safety features) in Malaysia, I went with a local car for city drive only because robbery, car hijack happens alot in Malaysia. The latter happened to my relative who owned a Volvo, in broad daylight unfortunately.

Succinctly put, the loan for the car only qualified a little bit more for freebies which is kinda pathetic because the interest incurred is more than the freebies' value.

Now, if abiding by the rule that if one should be able to purchase within own means without getting into major debt.. then purchasing a car under 50k range in full is considered decent for me since I could have gone for better cars as I can afford within my means comfortably. Again, it is all how I want to justify my rationale in purchasing big ticket items as well.

So yes, it varies and depends on how the individual wants to utilize cash savings/investments/loans etc.

QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 8 2015, 06:00 PM)
Hi S'aimer,

I'm not what you would call a typical case, but I'm more than happy to share my personal take on the matter.

I will only take up a loan if the following criteria are met:

a. I can secure a tenure of FD higher than the EFFECTIVE (not paper) rate of the HP interest rate charged

b. I will not risk losing my capital by putting it into anything that's not capital guaranteed (maybe with the exception of A or AA rated bonds)

c. The loan is necessary to qualify for special rebates or benefits - for example, the new BMW G12 740LiA which I just signed an hour ago required that I take a minimum loan of SGD60,000 of 2 years to qualify for the special discount/rebate/freebies. I agreed, because they also allowed me to sign a higher than normal deposit level onto my credit card (more Kris Flyer points)

d. If for whatever reason I wish to pay the loan back earlier, there shouldn't be any punitive measures - only the rule of 78, which is the standard clause for all early repayments in Singapore.

Car loans in Singapore are averaging 2.28% per annum, and I calculated, for $60,000, I'll end up paying about $2,750 in interest after 2 years. The truth of the matter for me is, if I paid off the car in cash (in full), I would have lost something like $40,000 in discounts and rebates and upgrades to the car, so when I did the math, it was more worthwhile for me to take up a minimum loan amount to qualify for greater savings.

Hope that helps, but that's just my personal experience.
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post Dec 8 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Dec 8 2015, 08:53 AM)
didnt look at 316i as when i got interest on BMW the 318i already out. So far i dono why the "look down", its the same car with slightly weaker engine, all the main features are all there also.
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Just ignore my previous comments. Serious answer to you - yes with 5k net per month can afford your dream car, their service and fuel, running costs are not so outrageous as people think it is.

Now if you ask me, can you afford it comfortably, the answer will be no. With a household income of just 10k, you are definately going to sacrifice other luxury in life. But you sound like a man with a plan, and i hope you're not stucked with just 10k for the coming years - so in the end, only yourself can tell should you really jump for it.

Just be very clear on "why" you want that BMW. If the reason is anything related with to "show" to others, then you will be disapointed at your purchase. People just are not impressed at old cars or low spec luxury brand, or "recon" car. Heck, i might as well suggest you to get a 2013 audi a6 for 160-180k

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post Dec 8 2015, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Dec 8 2015, 10:34 PM)

Now, if abiding by the rule that if one should be able to purchase within own means without getting into major debt.. then purchasing a car under 50k range in full is considered decent for me since I could have gone for better cars as I can afford within my means comfortably. Again, it is all how I want to justify my rationale in purchasing big ticket items as well.

So yes, it varies and depends on how the individual wants to utilize cash savings/investments/loans etc.
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Well said, my friend. Enjoy your rides safely and in good health.
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post Dec 10 2015, 12:15 PM

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Not reviving an old thread, but I believe I need to back up what I said about certain things with the source materials, or in forum vernacular, the "drillz":

My new BMW purchase came with a folder:

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Which contained a fact sheet highlighting the equipment list:

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And what I said earlier about my loan amount: S$60,000 for 2 years

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Finally, the cost of the car purchase (before the freebies & discounts because of the 2 year loan): S$456,800

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Peace.
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post Dec 10 2015, 03:32 PM

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Wobbles: Your freebies includes 3M film and eye recording camera - Best range?

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post Dec 10 2015, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Dec 10 2015, 03:32 PM)
Wobbles: Your freebies includes 3M film and eye recording camera - Best range?
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Yes, they said the camera is the original BMW front/back advanced car eye, and the solar film is supposed to be the best 3M has to offer. Crystalline something or the other. The other freebies include service valet pick up and drop off from home, courtesy cars, free service (all inclusive) for 3 years, and as what was written, umbrellas haha. Plus the cash discount, and over trade for one of my old cars (the old BMW F02) it came up to about $40,000 extra in value. Can't complain.
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post Dec 10 2015, 06:31 PM

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Cool service valet somemore.

I'm using the 3M crystalline 70 and 40 (front & back) + Nano 40 (sides) for my small ride. So far it's not bad after nearly 2 weeks.

QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 10 2015, 06:16 PM)
Yes, they said the camera is the original BMW front/back advanced car eye, and the solar film is supposed to be the best 3M has to offer. Crystalline something or the other. The other freebies include service valet pick up and drop off from home, courtesy cars, free service (all inclusive) for 3 years, and as what was written, umbrellas haha. Plus the cash discount, and over trade for one of my old cars (the old BMW F02) it came up to about $40,000 extra in value. Can't complain.
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post Dec 10 2015, 07:31 PM

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Why ask just buy
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post Dec 10 2015, 09:21 PM

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I think those whom are rich are just being cocky and showing off their wealth.
While those whom struggle to be rich, are not helped by the rich, and worse still, being looked down by those whom alreaady made it to the top.

Disgusting.
Does it help by telling those who wanna go for it, to forget it?
YOLO.
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post Dec 10 2015, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Dec 10 2015, 09:21 PM)
I think those whom are rich are just being cocky and showing off their wealth.
While those whom struggle to be rich, are not helped by the rich, and worse still, being looked down by those whom alreaady made it to the top.

Disgusting.
Does it help by telling those who wanna go for it, to forget it?
YOLO.
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Wow. That's a big chip on your shoulder, not every successful person who gives advice is looking down on those asking for the same.

Why would you even think that, unless of course, that's how you would behave if you were in a position of wealth and success.
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post Dec 12 2015, 08:57 AM

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When it comes to owning luxury cars, there's a saying:

"If you have to ask whether u can afford it or not, you definitely can't afford it."

Ask the tarik kereta people. Lol.
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post Dec 12 2015, 12:52 PM

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Pls consider the maintenance, spare part replacement , insurance cost in the next 9 year before you sell it.
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post Dec 12 2015, 01:54 PM

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Staying in a flat but want to drive a beemer, what a joke.
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post Dec 12 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 12 2015, 01:54 PM)
Staying in a flat but want to drive a beemer, what a joke.
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Don't be like this la bro, many people who live in condos buy and drive Bimmers. Not fair to fault him for wanting to drive a Bimmer, it's just that his financial calculations are not supportive and beneficial for that purpose at this point in time.
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QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 12 2015, 03:20 PM)
Don't be like this la bro, many people who live in condos buy and drive Bimmers. Not fair to fault him for wanting to drive a Bimmer, it's just that his financial calculations are not supportive and beneficial for that purpose at this point in time.
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A low end beemer also need to pay 9 years and stay in a flat deserve a flame like this whistling.gif
Any scrap metal we going to buy, at any 1 time it shall not go > 10% of our gross income icon_idea.gif
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post Dec 12 2015, 06:36 PM

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That's one thing about Malaysian mentality (or even Asian) - JANJI GAYA ADA, POKET KOSONG TAK APE!

I've seen so many people go in debts because of image. Want to drive a BMW / Merc / Audi but live in a flat / apartment etc. Everyday eat Maggie Mee or roti canai just to live their lifestyle!

Honestly speaking, Malaysian cars are among the highest priced car in the world but people don't care and keep on buying Beemers, Mercs etc. Actually, if you were to analyze the market situation in Malaysia, Beemers and Mercs are more towards mid to high income earners as it is made 'affordable'. Those who are well off drives Porsche, Land Rovers, Jags, etc...

Therefore, Beemers do not command a 'high' status in society except if you buy those high end range ones such as M series, 6 series etc.

So, if you can buy it and willing to sacrifice comfort in your life, then do it. If you can't, then just bite the bullet and get a reliable Japanese new car.

Ps : can't believe this thread can go on for 20+ pages!

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