Hi... pardon my noobness

But may I know... what is the difference between 2-way speaker and 3-way speaker?? And is there any other type of speaker??


I never thought there is so many type of speakers for car... 2-way and 3-way... haiyo... very hard la when I've become interested with this kind of things (just started weeks ago though )



First tweeters and now speakers... I do manage to find information about tweeters though... but what about speakers?? Is there 1-way speaker?? Is this suppose to refer to the wiring type or maybe sound quality produce???

Aiyohh...

This is the only thing I manage to find via google : http://www.trueaudio.com/st_xov_1.htm

Not understand a thing at all...


And then some person just told me that 2-way speaker is only a speaker... while 3-way speaker consist of woofer in it





Haih... I think it is really too eraly for me to get my self into these ICE world... just got my car 3 weeks ago and already planning a lot of things for it....

hmm... for beginner i would explain it like this..

there r high, mid and low.. if 2-way means that u have high and mid while the 3-way is high mid and low..

if u r talking in speakers term.. 6x9 (oval looking type of speakers) is actually a 3-way speaker..

if u r talking about component speakers.. there is a tweeter (high), mid woofer (mid) and woofer (low)..

so, what ride r u in?

Oh... thanks a lot for your explanation... So what the person told me in my second post is actually correct la?? In someways...

I understand... to put it simply... 3-way speaker is better than 2-way right... since it can produce all 3 type of sound...

OK... I have a clearer understanding about ICE and it's component now... only now I dare to plan on the ICE setup for my Kancil


thanks a lot for your clarification that clears a lot of confusion in my mind...

no problem..

kancil used 2 b my ride.. i started it with a g00d HeadUnit, a pair of component speakers, an amp and a 12" woofer. the setup is juz like what i have in the myvi except it's an alpine HeadUnit..

if u want some guidance, try checking out the pinned up at the ICE section here...

Woah... never realised there is a topic and reference on basic ICE setup pinned here... thanks a lot.


Now something caught my eyes... when you mention about component speakers. Is this a speaker consist of 2-way or 3-way?? Or maybe another type??

And how much did you spend for the quoted setup above??


Thank you very much for your explanation... really helps me a lot in understanding this ICE stuff...

This post has been edited by Phoenixwunin: Nov 28 2006, 03:30 PM

my setup cost me around rm6k+/- cz it's the mid end setup..

there r 2 types of component speakers.. like u have mentioned there r 2-way and 3-way..

component speakers come in a set.. eg. a pair of tweeter and a pair of mid/mid woofer and a pair of crossover(2-way)..

Owh~

OK... thank you again for your explanation Kinda confuse on the term component actually... that's why I ask...

Your explanation really helps a starter like me a lot... not to mention the basic setup pinned here... that is really helpful too... thanks man

This post has been edited by Phoenixwunin: Nov 28 2006, 07:37 PM

no problem, dude..

You wont choose the 2 way components speak after you listen to 3 way components redy blelieve me yes, wiring does play the important role as well..!

wellll..... how to differentiate 1-way or 2-way or 3-way speakers

lets say in 1 unit got only 1 speaker cone then it is 1-way
2 speaker cone means 2-way and 3 for 3-way

a components set is actually 2 1-way speakers; a tweeter and a mid

a coaxial is a 2-way as in 1 unit there are 2 speakers cones, sort of a 2-in-1
a 6x9, usually a 3-way there are 3 speaker cones, sort of a 3-in-1

btw dun confuse with a 3-way speaker with a 3 way setup

That's one fine explanation Indeed..3 way components really provide quality theater sound

Waaa... got this topic aarr...


Want to ask something to all the sifus here...


If any here got experience with computer speaker Altec Lansing VS4121... how much do I need to pay to get a 3-way speaker which is as good as that RM200 speaker ar?? Or maybe I need to have sub woofer too???


Can any sifus here tell me about this...

do u need to repost this all over the ICE section

well, basically u can't compare a PC Speaker with Car speaker
environment, speaker type, acoustic, volume everything is different

rm200 can get u some so-so speaker only

oh... very sorry for that sifus...


Simply to say...


2-way speaker will need a subwoofer to make the song perfect...

but, 3-way speaker is for those who don't have or plan any subwoofer for their setup... correct??


In this case... if I don't want to put woofer and amp yet want my system to sound... err... quite good arr... I should invest in a good Head Unit and a good 3-way speaker for the front of my car. No need for rear one rite???


Any sifu please help me clarify this...

define good... my taste and ur taste is different
front 3 way ? it costs a lot !

hie there, firstly u need to know the kind of speakers there are .....current component setups are 2 type: 2 way and 3 way .....2 way u can find a lot of them around, from cheaper and normal ones like BM boschmann or soundstream etc to high end ones like DLS, focal or MB quart etc....

3 way components are much more expensive cos they have added sound features and they sound far better than 2 way components....not sure wat features cos im new in ICE too...

the 3 way u talking about (no plans of subwoofer) is the 6X9 inch speaker setup, they are mostly good for rear speakers as they will pump out bass mostly ...but the sound mostly rojak since its 3 combined things mid, tweeter and bass....if u want good sound go for component sets for ur front door since most of the time u are driving the car, so u want urself to enjoy the music coming from front side .....imagine listening to a concert from the back of ur head, its not the way rite ?? if u atleast change the the front components first, u will have a good sound staging....

forget about the rear speakers for now ...if money is a concern, upgrade to amp and sub later on...if u worry about rear passenger not listening to music, then ur can use ur current P2 OEM speakers in the rear, but front go for component set that is an advice that most ppl would agree...

as for 6X9 oval size speakers, they are good if lets say u want a simple setup....

sifus, please correct my phrases if any of it is wrong...thanks....

well said

but some correction
3 way doesn't mean must be better than 2 way
3 way is made to cover up the gap that is between the tweeter and the midbass (last time)

now the technology is so much superior
some manufacturer can come out with a 2 way that has overlap frequency of the tweeters and mid bass
so in this case u dun need to get a 3 way
moreover a 3 way is so much headache that speaker placing is so much more trouble and tuning will be another

thanks for ur correction even though i dont really understand much of the above statements ...sounds like advance stuff to a beginner actually....

make it simple

conventional 2 way
(100-250)(350-500)

notice there are a gap between 250 and 350
3 way is create to cover up that gap

now new technology enable the speaker to do
(100-300)(300-500)
now this 2 speaker doesn't have the gap betweem them

so we do not need the mid-range to cover up the gap

warrr.... thanks a lot for the detail explanation... driftmeister and shocker sifus....



now i understand more about the speakers stuff... but still i din dare to buy yet lorr... gonna get myself a HU first

Thank you sifus

i am no sifu ler....still new and in process of learning ...driftmeister is not onli a driftmiester but also is a ICEmiester.....hehehehe...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 5 2006, 08:55 PM

well.. would like to add something...

a speaker with 2 cone not neccessary is a 2 way...

it can be one way...

i speaker unit with 1 magnec and no crossover but 2 cone.. it is still 1way..

a coaxial/6x9 with mid-bass,mid-range,tweeter means 3 ways, mid-bass,tweeter or mid-range,tweeter means 2 way

the number of "way" represents the number of speakers/drivers

Hi, need advise for my ICE
actually i'm noobie and new in this ICE stuff....so need some help
i read many post about the ICE stuff...and got a little bit info about it but still pening laa....
ok.. i just bought a 2nd hand kancil car but the problem is it has very bad sound system with useless HU and a pair of speaker at rear car...even hard to listening a radio
so...i plan to upgrade a bit with very limited budjet.so i just get BM BOSCHMANN RV-6200XT Components System(used) from my friend..and plan to install its speaker at the front door,tweeter at the dashboard and it have 2-way x-over.
And then i also try to get the new or used HU and also rear speaker(budjet RM300-500 both).any recommendation?
beside that, my frenz said need to install amp if installl with comp system, but amp is expensive,so i thought not to buy the amp yet.It is ok without the amp?
hope all sifus can give me some opinion about it.
not need very powerful sound sytem, just regular one as long i can have entertainment in my car .

If you HU permits, without amp to support the componnent shd be working fine. Unless you're going for better sound quality, connecting the compponent to amp is a must So far I've not tested the sound quality produced with compponents connected to amp. Mine is supported from HU and is doing fine

guys... want to ask something... what do you think of this thing:

SONY CXS-S221GFS (package system).. scrool down a little to see the correct product... its number 3 from below...




Is this OK?? And what about the HU... what model is that??

This post has been edited by Phoenixwunin: Dec 14 2006, 12:47 AM

That Sony package for normal use might ok ....

hie all

I got a question, if lets say a 6 inch mid bass woofer speaker being used in a ICE system, will it push out more bass or there will be sound coming as well ??

from wat I know its not a component set since there is no crossover or tweeters, I guess its a coaxial but not sure either....

asking so cos its being said mid bass woofer, so I suspect it will act or function like a subwoofer (no sound coming at all) ....please advice sifus....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 22 2006, 12:14 AM

bro shocker, coaxial is more than one speakers in one unit.

the 6.5" mid bass woofer that u mention is those component set 6.5" n tweets n passive xover, just that without tweets n passive.

Its not a sub woofer bro.

thanks for ur reply....anyway, Im just confused whether it will function like a subwoofer meaning no vocal sound is produced rather than normal midbass like those from component sets.....

by the way, some pics for u to see and understand why I was asking such question, pics are taken from lelong.... as u can see its advertised as midbass woofers instead of midbass components or coaxial, so Im confused there leadi ler...hehehehe...









This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 22 2006, 01:04 PM

there's still vocal coming out from the mid-range/mid-bass
moreover, it's a very important aspect

those a mids

a component set consists of a tweeter + mids + passive xover
so that one only consists of mid
you will have to get a seperate tweeter and xover

This post has been edited by (N)3: Dec 22 2006, 02:54 PM

My advise is not to buy anything from lelong.com... Because a lot of imitation ICE stuft sold there.

thanks for ur reply dude...

hehehe ...thanks for clearing that up...wasnt thinking of getting them either.....

u are rite about fake stuffs at lelong, but there are also some genuine ones but its hard to differenciate them out due to abundance of imitation ones overclouding the original ones...

I have frens who bought ICE stuffs from lelong, those fake/imitation component speakers of course ....at first, they do not sound that good (u can actually notice the difference between ori and fake stuff very clearly if u do compare them) ......but later on once those fake ones started to sound better or improved (since they already been warmed up) and can say comparable to original ones of the same model....

but those ppl who play with ICE always can easily notice which one is fake or original by listening......trust me on that...hehehehe

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 22 2006, 06:00 PM

Some said the imitation not really 100% imitaition...
It might be the rejected product from branded factory...
Since now a lot branded product have factory at China..you know la China many people rasuah... So rejected product / part easy transfere out to market...

Some said the distributor make the imitation themself....?!

If we put aside the quality of imitation product... in actual fact how did it fare against original product most of the time?

For example the sound... do it sound the same or just like what I think... worse than the original (shocker statement above caught my attention )...

This post has been edited by Phoenixwunin: Dec 24 2006, 11:20 AM

distributor which make imitation?
i can only think of ML which distribute Lightning Audio and they produce Lightning Acoustics


sound like same ?
definitely no
BMW and Proton drving feel same ?
think about it

Can't use BMW compare with proton....
Use Mitsubishi compare with proton la..

well bro, wat I mentioned previously is wat I heard from ICE sifu ppl who made the comparison, not any normal ppl or myself.....

wat actually I wanted to say is that if u are normal or beginner ICEr, then u might not actually realise the sound reproduction between a fake product and original product, there is some difference for sure which normally ppl who play ICE often and have sensitive ears can notice it easily

they told me wat they felt when they did a comparison on same model set in 2 different cars, one car with fake stuff and one is ori stuff ....from there on, u are free to make ur own assumption, Im just merely sharing facts here...cheers..

I agree with loon here, hahaha....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 25 2006, 12:20 PM

wat you pay is wat u get. If you pay half the price, don't expect to get 100% performance like an MTX. Unless they are having a sales. Even it's rejected stock from china, there must be some quality problem with it.

You will not know the difference unless u hear the real one. Yes i have heard real focal and fake focal, real MTX and fake MTX, the difference is obvious if you compare like this.

Since the ICE product start manufacturing at China... the imitation come out...
because China people are most "Rasuah" in the world!
That why some imitation have 80% to 90% material similary as original one..only sound difference...because rejected thing mah...

hi guys... want to ask something...


Cna Kancil doors be fitted with 6.5" component speaker?

of cos can
just the matter of u wanna cut ur door panel anot oni

This post has been edited by driftmeister: Dec 28 2006, 03:03 PM

hehehe ....I think even 6X9 one also can fit in ler if the shop knows how to put it...

but then u will become laughing stock when ppl see ur ICE on ur front doors....hahahaha .....just kidding OK...

Talking about imitation stuff from Lelong, I dont think those people with permenant stores within lelong sell imitation/fake stuff. I recently purchased from only those with stores, a MB quartz component set and they sound and look as those sold in the ICE shops. I can say i paid less than half the price.

So very difficult so say all the stuff are fakes/imitation...

Hoho...my friend brought a Rockford Fosgate imitation punch component with 4 tweeter from lelong permanant store with 1/2 price...!

Do you really compare the SQ of the speaker?
How you compare?