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post Oct 5 2015, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 5 2015, 06:00 PM)
At times like this i regretted not studying biology during SPM :cried:
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It wont help as biology teach you nothing in nutrition. Heck, even medical doctors only have 3 hours max of study in nutrition throughout the many years of their study.

You have to take your time to research yourself on nutrition.

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post Oct 5 2015, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 5 2015, 07:40 PM)
I just feel sorry for your mother . I done years of research on diseases and most of us treat doctors like God . If doctors were so smart , doctors would easily live more than 100 . But the fact is that doctors life span is just like us . Doctors were taught how to treat symptoms with nothing but drugs and we all know that drugs have horrible side effects long term . IMO cancer patients don't die of cancer but they die because of the horrible side effects of chemo .

How do we get cancer ? We get cancer because of our lifestyle . Eating the bad food , don't drink enough plain water , not enough sunshine , not enough fresh air , not enough sleep . The human body is really a fantastic machine that can heal itself , if we allow it to heal . If we keep on doing the bad lifestyle , the body don't have the chance to heal itself .
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Are you on plant based diet now?
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post Oct 6 2015, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 07:56 AM)
Yes .  I been following Dr Mcdougall starch based diet . Tasty and delicious , trim and healthy .

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Awesome. by the way, please post more here to help TS and his mother. Too much false info here spread by Atkins proponent. We are talking about saving a life here. I am afraid that TS will be misled into giving her mom a really bad diet for her surgical recovery.
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post Oct 6 2015, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 08:33 AM)
I believed all foundation/a-level did teach you something about metabolism. Remember kreb cycle? They have a section which shows the body can use fat. Just in case you have forgotten,

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q...r5b1XjKu6jpNT0y

Well I quote Wikipedia

And here is the link for reviews by other user on the Internet of the site where you get your info
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/nutritionfacts.org
I am not saying the site is bad. Just double check the info with
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I won't get into another debate with you seeing that last few pages have more than enough info for people to read.

iimcrystal I am not asking you to go on all fat and high protein diet. I am asking you to replace carbs with oil. Eat lots of veges. Don't buy normal coconut oil. That is bad. Get the virgin coconut oil which when you open smell of coconut candy. That's the best coconut oil, can be use to heat food as it is stable compare to palm oil. Extra virgin olive oil in dark bottles is the best. Extra virgin olive oil cannot be heated. Once you heat extra virgin olive oil, it becomes bad oil. If you want to avoid oil be my guest but those cancer fighting food I told you about turmeric, tomatoes, capsicum will just pass through. It won't be absorbed by the body.

If you scared dirty, like I said, drink turmeric tea with virgin coconut oil + crush black pepper + bai mu dan everytime. Use that to replace normal water. Add a slice of lemon for additional benefits. The reason ask you to add coconut oil is so that the water soluble part will dissolve in water and the oil soluble part will dissolve in oil. So you get the best of both world.

Those dirty stuff is if you eat mcd, KFC, pizza, Sam cham bak, bak kut teh's fat. Bad fat. If you eat a clean vegetable meal with good oil with enough protein (up to you want to get your protein from animal or tofu) + additional of those anti-cancer food, is already very good.

For additional stuff, go find neem leaves and eat everyday. Can be found near Indian temple. Ask for a plant to paint yourself. Neem is one of the very powerful plant around. Is extremely bitter.
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Stop posting incorrect info here. This is for TS and not a channel for us to debate here. There are other venues for that. This thread is to help TS and his mother. Let him make an informed decision at that.
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post Oct 6 2015, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 01:38 PM)
Atkins diet is definitely NO ... NO . But I don't like to force my opinion on to others . They can eat whatever they want . Another thing is that animal product is very addictive . Its hard for ppl to change their diet . My cousin got back pain and I told her to change to plant based diet but she replied that she rather die than eating plant food . Nothing much I can do , its her body anyway .

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I like to think that we are giving advice. But if we do nothing then TS will be misled by others who are giving their Atkins advice on him. shakehead.gif

Anyway for those that say they rather die than eating plant food, no use wasting time on them, help those that want to be helped. Good effort though. icon_rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 6 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 01:48 PM)
Who ask people to eat so much protein? My suggestion is actually just switching the carbs and fat to good fat. The body needs fat. Basic knowledge, vitamin a,d,e,K are fat soluble, our cells membrane is make from lipid. Eyes, brains, hormone need fat. Olive oil, walnuts, almonds, avocado are all plants with good fat which is recommended by heart association.
Dr Mcdougall starch based diet is asking one to forgo all good fats. If you read reviews on amazon, some user of his books shared what's wrong with his food.

If one were to follow the Atkins diet, good luck la. Sure get gout later one whether one take animal or vege protein.

The basic thing is a vege diet with enough proteins (from animals or plants) and good fats. No need for carbs.
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So how is your keto different from Atkins diet. Wait so now you advocate eating saturated fat and oils? Instead of lean meat eat the skin? Eat the pork lard and the fatty tissue? shakehead.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 02:14 PM)
By going on all carb food? I better recommend all vege food rather than all carb food. Did you read reviews on amazon by people who follow his program (the 1 star review for his book)?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Starch-Solution-...howViewpoints=0
Did you read the review posted by Tham regarding the dwarf people or how cancer like glioma (one of the cancer which is  very aggressive) response to ketones?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25081729
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21673053
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267662/

I am not promoting the Atkins or KD BUT the basics of KD which is not using carbs with combination of lots of vege + enough protein and cancer fighting food.

I believed I have posted enough evidence for TS to make up his mind.
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Bad example of using a one star review to compare its effectiveness. I can say the same for Grain Brain and Wheat Belly as well. They are also pro KD diet like your diet. Did you look at their 1 star reviews? Its pretty much pointless to argue with you on such level.

So many studies show fats are good, there are also many studies that shows fats are bad. So how do you decide then? Go search on the lipid hypothesis. From Wikipedia:

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An accumulation of evidence has led to the acceptance of the lipid hypothesis by most of the medical community;[4] however, a minority contends that the evidence does not support it, and that mechanisms independent of blood cholesterol levels are responsible.
So the medical establishment has accepted lipid hypothesis as fact. There are only a minority who disagree with this view.
With no carbs you dont have fuel for your body, so they burn fat or worse, your muscle.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 02:19 PM)
My keto is simple. Replace all carbs with good oil. Add more vege (vege will not become glucose - cancer fuel) +enough proteins 1 piece of chicken or fish/day (lunch or dinner)  with and vegetable protein for (lunch or dinner)

You think K promote eating that kind of fat? The only fat I recommend is olive oil. Virgin coconut oil. Even myself also never eat pork/beef oil/skin
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Ohh man classic tactic of calorie restricting to induce weight loss. You better dont add more junk to make it look like facts.

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post Oct 6 2015, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 02:56 PM)
Simple. Do your research. Read books. Double check the facts, and don't blindly trust someone. I was skeptical initially of KD, no way it can be without effects and can be used for epilepsy, alzehimer. So do a little research. Go back to basic. Read up on metabolism of glucose, metabolism of lipid, ultization by the human brain from places like medscape.Double check with journals (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) Avocados, olive oil, nuts, essential fatty acids from fish are all good source of oil. Not if you supply the body with constant oil. Muscles will be used last IF only there are no more fats available.That's why muscle is always preserve if one fast. If like that how do you think obese people can go on diet? They sure die already but they don't. Their body burns the fat first.

Follow what ancient people do (Bible, al-quran, mayans) and what other cultures do (Polynesia, Japanese, Mediterranean, Indians). Use them as a source of knowledge. Avoid all man made fat and processed meat (ham, burgermeat, nugget, sausage, butter, margarine). I won't be going into religion here but what is written in those books must have some facts in them despite it being believed only. Take olive oil (Bible) and black cumin (al-quran). The medical world are starting to find out about its benefits despite it have been in the Bible and the al-quran.

If I am on calorie restriction, I better eat carbs as carbs contain lesser calories than olive olive oil, coconut oil. But yet, I am still taking my oil. sweat.gif Everyone knows carbs contain lesser calories than oil. Weight loss was never on my agenda. Decreasing my blood sugar was.
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I have done close to 6 months of research brahhh. And I am thriving on my high carb low fat diet. So amazing when you can eat unlimited amount of carbs without worry about getting fat and better yet you are healthier than most of the people around you. thumbup.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(donald88 @ Oct 6 2015, 04:25 PM)
Lastly, your mum need to have a positive attitude. Family and friends support is of utmost importance; talk to her and divert her attention away from her worries.
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You forgot diet which is much more important than a positive attitude.
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post Oct 6 2015, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 04:36 PM)
Many ppl don't want to change their diet but when the pain get so unbearable and their doctors can't help them , they have no choice but to change . There are tons of videos on Youtube about alternative health and ppl can get confused sometime . Some doctors say salt is ok but some say salt is bad . Some say grain is ok while some say grain is bad . Some say animal protein is ok and others say that animal protein is bad . No wonder the general public is confused .

I like to experiment to see what good or bad for me . I used to get all kind of diseases like chronic cough , neck pain , back pain , foot pain , sore throat and skin rashes . That's when I started doing serious research on healing the body . But still I don't want to change my diet because I really love my food like hamburgers , french fries , coca cola , pizza etc . But one day my foot pain got so bad that I have no choice but to change . Now I'm into plant based diet and once a month I go into 24 hour juice fasting .

To be fit and healthy is  very important . If you are sick and bed ridden , you have zero quality of life no matter how much money you have in the bank .

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Yes now we have two testimonials of thriving in a plant based diet. user posted image
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post Oct 6 2015, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 05:43 PM)
Couldn't agree more with you. People love their food too much. Well you need to give something to gain something. You are giving away your health for few moment of "nice taste" if one does Not change his diet.
But not a high Carb diet. Vege diet I can except but high carb diet? No way metabolic diseases will happen in the long run.
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He is on McDougall diet which is high carb diet. Me as well. user posted image
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post Oct 6 2015, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 05:48 PM)
I won't say anymore. But check your blood every year. Since switching my diet, I have been doing blood test every year for precautions.
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This goes to every person that is reading this thread. user posted image
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post Oct 6 2015, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 08:21 PM)
Good words.  notworthy.gif  I look at this this way humans have been fishing for fish for a long time (maritim civilization) and they cannot depend of vege alone. So they depend on what the sea can give them. Seafood & seaweed. So in a way, humans do eat fish, poultry (chicken) I am sure there are chickens in ancient egypt/china. If we go back further, the males will hunt for food while the female will gather like berries/fruits from the jungle (some tribes in amazon still hunt for food - hence those poison tip frogs are used as a source of poisons). In some part of the world, cannibalism still exist. So if you tell me humans don't live on meat, I will say no. We eat meat since a long time ago. Just that we need to control and go for meats which are prepared in a good way (not deep fried or bbq meat)
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Since the invention of fire, I do think that meats eaten by ancestors are predominantly cooked otherwise it would taste disgusting. There is also a case for bones found in cave, in this case ancient humans would collect dead animals and put inside the cave for burial purposes. But now antrophologist would find remains of human bones with animal bones and exclaimed AHA, ancient humans eat animals and lots of them....hence why we are so confused what our ancestors eat....just my 2 cents. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 7 2015, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(sunnylay @ Oct 7 2015, 10:18 AM)
my dad was diagnosed for colon cancer stage 3 in 3 years back. he removed the tumor in his colon and then we seek for second opinion in 1 private hospital and another 1 special care cancer hospital.

both of the sites advised to proceed chemo, which we finally accepted and choose to go with the special care cancer hospital.

since then, my sibling and i started to google and read many books on the healthy food. my dad stopped to eat pork, any red meat. we made him juice (which contains quite many thing like beetroot, celery, carrot, cabbage, orange, lemon) and also multi-grain juices. he also taking some supplements.

he went through the chemo session and he now maintain a healthy lifestyle, no pork, no oil fried food, no liquor, no smoking, exercise and drink juices everyday.

it depends, as everyone has different case and body fitness.
but always remember that when this kind of thing happen, seek for second or even third opinion to make the situation clear before making any decision. healthy lifestyle and mentally must always positive.
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You are headed in the right direction, thats why an all vegan diet has been proven to cure a lot of common diseases, including cancer.
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post Oct 8 2015, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(metaleap @ Oct 7 2015, 11:35 PM)
Indeed, and this could be a neat, cost-free hack to vastly improve the chemo experience and outcome:

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers...-immune-system/

All carbs get quickly converted to glucose in either the stomach or the small intestine (can't remember, probably the latter) before hitting the bloodstream and then the cells & tissues of your body. So if you don't have intestinal or stomach cancer, refined sugar equals brown rice or whole grain bread etc --- in terms of what the rest of the body sees or receives. Refined sugar (and a few other carbs) contains fructose which without fruit fibre is pretty damaging and stressful on the body, so maybe that's where any statistical correlations (if they exist and are meaningful enough) between refined sugar and certain cancers may have their underlying cause, not sure.

The simple cliche "sugar feeds cancer or malignant tumors" just isn't accurate across the board. There's 100s of very different kinds of cancers and tumors, only some feed exclusively on blood glucose (and of those, only some can be "starved" by restricting or eliminating dietary carbs in some cases). There's others that can feed on fatty acids, and I think a very few rare ones even on ketones. Now carbs are somewhat immunosuppressive, so cutting them out may in select cases give that "immune boost" needed to eliminate the tumor regardless of what it feeds on. Metastases however in many cases seem to be dependent on glucose turnover, though this is just from memory and hearsay. But there's no guarantees either way proven to work in 100% (or anywhere near that) of cases of any and all 100s of kinds of cancers --- not ancient herbs, not green tea, not apricot kernels, or veganism, or fruitarianism, or juice fasting, or keto, or chemo. Sad truth.
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I would be interested if they do a study where they put subjects on 1) Fasting and 2) Vegan diet.

That would be an interesting study. My reasoning is that the reason why immune system is weaken is because of bad food we eat. If fasting improve immune system, then would a vegan diet be better or worse off. In fact we can even put a keto diet and also a placebo just to see who comes out better.

Cant agree with your last statement in the second paragraph. if nothing else helps, perhaps putting the patient on a vegan diet is the last best recourse.
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post Oct 8 2015, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(leanneleong @ Oct 7 2015, 11:54 PM)
Just to share a real story of my friend's mother's friend. She had stage 3 breast cancer 3 years ago. She is one of those who has benefited from transfer factors. She is already fully recovered, meaning cancer-free now.
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If your friend's mother friend is still continuing her old dietary habits, I am afraid she will get a relapse in the future. Think of it like someone who's busily mopping up the floor [around] a sink overflowing without also turning off the faucet. If you don’t turn off the faucet, if you don’t treat the underlying cause, even if you mop up the floor, even if you do transfer factors, or chemo or any alternative therapy, you’re not changing the underlying condition that led to it.

No disrespect but this is the hard truth.
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post Oct 8 2015, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(metaleap @ Oct 8 2015, 12:24 AM)
B.S.  shakehead.gif doh.gif
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BS? It could also explain why fasting boost the immune system. rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 8 2015, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 8 2015, 02:07 AM)
arigato / thank you/ terima kasih  thumbup.gif
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I hope the case presented in the videos is strong enough for you to make the right changes. sweat.gif
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post Oct 8 2015, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(leanneleong @ Oct 8 2015, 12:32 PM)
Check this video out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTQwB63-cgI

This is a video on Dr. Lawrence Fong explaining the interaction between the immune system and cancer. Immune system is the answer to cancer. There are too many studies on this and cancer institutes are already talking about this.

Check this out as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIDgm5rgV0

This is about Antroquinonol, the latest technology, already gone through FDA Clinical Test Phase 1 and awaiting Phase 2 result by end of this year. It works as a target therapy. The two things I have recommended here, help. If you want more information, please let me know and I will direct you to speak to the doctors.

I am just trying to help and I have done my part. I will leave it with you to decide.
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Fact is, I agree with you on the immune system and cancer. But here's the thing, you can improve or worsen your immune system with diet. So which diet that has been proven to improve your immune system? I leave you for that to ponder.

Drug is not the solution if at the end of the day, you are still worsening your immune system with your diet and get a relapse later.
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post Oct 19 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(freestyle @ Oct 19 2015, 09:22 AM)
The Truth About Cancer documentary. Once you watched it and know the real dirty secrets of chemo and pharmaceutical drugs, you will never set foot in the hospital again
Change your diet and lifestyle. 


Episode 1



Episode 2


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Corrected your youtube videos.

By the way what diet and lifestyle would you advocate then?

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