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post Nov 15 2015, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 15 2015, 10:59 AM)
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Haha! I used to do every fortnight.

Now every 1.5 months average. Still dunno what to top up. Everything is going up.

David, what's the strategy here? Which region? Continue top up US/Europe? Underweight China/HK? SEA how?
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post Nov 15 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 15 2015, 11:09 AM)
I'm very heavy in Asia ex Japan.
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Well, for the past few months, Titans has been a clear winner boosted by the favoring currency. Really dunno what to top-up.
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post Nov 15 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 15 2015, 11:13 AM)
Looking at chart, I'd say Ringgit should trade at 4:USD1
But now my Developed Markets equity funds already 37% of my portfolio, I've stopped topping up. Recent topping ups were just to make up previous underexposure to DMs.

Looking at Ponzi 2.0 next, Singapore and HK has been quite bearish lately.

But in recent months my UTs have outperformed my stocks, so I'm moving more ammo to my stock trading account instead.
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So you are moving your money to a place where the performance has been lagging? What catalyst you see with our stock market? Haha! I don't mind allocating money to my UT if they are making me money.

My malaysia exposure is high like I mentioned earlier I bought in the EI small cap fund. So my HK, China, US exposure are kinda balance.

That's why thinking which region to top up and lower my malaysia exposure. If Titans would be betting on further strengthening in Dollar and potential furthet withdrawal in foreign funds which will boost US stock market higher. China and HK don't look good because of economic factor.

Rest of the SEA exposure has always been low.
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post Nov 15 2015, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 12 2015, 02:30 PM)
Was just calculating how my funds performed and yield a double digit IRR %. That's good right? Or should I say better than FD/EPF return?
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Reposting this question which was not answered.

I know some taikor here use XIRR, but I have always been a boring person calculating using ROI/average number of years invested.

So like I asked above, if assuming I get a 14% IRR, does it conclude that it's a better return than if I put my money in EPF for 2 years (2014 + 2015 - which haven't announce yet. But should be lower than last year which add up is lower than 14%). I forgotten how much dividend was paid out.
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post Nov 15 2015, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 15 2015, 05:17 PM)
IRR is annualized number. If 1 year period of IRR is 14%, then the full year is 14% and if 2 year period of IRR is 14%, then averagely is 7%. It depends on time period when you lock in for the IRR calculation.

EPF DY for 2015 is 6.75%
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So assuming we get for 2016 is 6.50%. Average annualized is 6.6%.

So which means 14% XIRR for 2 years period outperform EPF slightly then?
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post Nov 16 2015, 01:38 PM

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FSM cannot provide NAV price back to 31st Dec 2014 sad.gif
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post Nov 16 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 16 2015, 01:40 PM)
Why don't u try write direct to the Fund House?
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Wa.. So much work meh?
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post Nov 18 2015, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 17 2015, 03:24 PM)
Strange. I got mine back to 2012 as recent as September unless they just change their policy. What fund you need? See if I have it.
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Ponzi 1 & 2
Global Titans
Abeerdeen Islamic - Class A
EI GEM fund
EI Small Cap
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post Nov 18 2015, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 18 2015, 01:33 PM)
That's basically my portfolio with the exception of u having EI Small Cap while I have Affin Hwang Select Opportunity tongue.gif
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Haha.

Well, just for reminder... I started lurking here way before I started investing through FSM. Started with AmDynamite through bank, and later on started buying in equity funds through FSM.

And I started by replicating your portfolio because you were kinda the only few investing through FSM. Kucing is a bond investor, one of the taikor here had most of its fund in PM which I can't replicate and a few others.

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post Nov 18 2015, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 18 2015, 02:47 PM)
Unfortunately I only have Ponzi 1, Titanic & EI SC up to 22/8/14 and Ponzi 2 up to 6/7/12. Let me know if you still want them, PM me your email address.
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It's okay bro. Thanks for the initiative and effort though.

I guess have to rely on XIRR figure this year.

And can only start calculating my ROI figure from 2016 onwards as I will record the closing value of 2015 value.

But since my XIRR figure now is at a double-digit, guess my performance this year is not too shabby beating EPF.
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post Nov 19 2015, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 19 2015, 09:19 AM)
Yes, long term 8% IRR is consider good. Just that these few years market is considerably "good", I expect more that what I am getting with 90% EQ in my portfolio...
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 18 2015, 11:19 PM)
blink.gif   I am struggling to get my IRR to double digits...  cry.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 19 2015, 06:30 AM)
My latest IRR < 9%  sad.gif
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Hmm. I don't think I calculated my XIRR wrongly la.

I mean, there's no way la. It's just a simple =XIRR(Date:Value)

And I haven't top up in >6 months, so that won't inflate my IRR figure. Should be normalize already.

That's why I am very skeptical with IRR figure I'm getting. I haven't been paying attention to my UT, and yet I get a double digit IRR figure. Hmm

Best action is no action sometimes? tongue.gif

Oh and to add, I am 100% in equity.

This post has been edited by TakoC: Nov 19 2015, 10:18 AM
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post Nov 19 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 19 2015, 10:40 AM)
Assume yo calculation is correct, is all yo funds > 1 yr?
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All >1 year, expect my Eastspring Small Cap which I invested since March 2015. Oldest must be my Ponzi 1 - 3 years of holding.
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post Nov 19 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 19 2015, 11:18 AM)
In tis case, the IRR may not represent a true picture
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Because of my Eastspring Small Cap?

Well, even if I exclude that out of my calculation I'm still yielding a double digit IRR.
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post Nov 19 2015, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2015, 12:49 PM)
Wow, IRR competition today? biggrin.gif

75% equities here
12-months total return: 16.2%
IRR from commencement (Aug-08) to-date: 7.5%
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Wah. Possible or not wor. I replicate your portfolio and started since 2012 and my IRR higher than yours.
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post Nov 19 2015, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2015, 03:21 PM)
Hello, my IRR is for my investment since Aug-08, it borne the impact of my initial beginner's mistake of buying "spicy" funds and switching out into cash during the bear market of 2010... doh.gif

And my portfolio changed greatly since then...

Try "resetting" your worksheet to 17-Nov-14 (take holdings as at that date and delete off all earlier transactions) and recalculate your IRR, this will give u your 12-months IRR, for a more fair comparison with mine tongue.gif
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Okay. Breakdown for reference.

My current holding (excluded realized gain from completely sold off fund) - 11.85%
My current holding (excluded fund <1 year old) - 11.39%
My current holding (excluded crazy Global Titans + fund <1 year old ) - 9.62%

My Global Titans fund alone (bought in once in August 2014) - 25% IRR sweat.gif

Bro, how can you calculate your investment since Aug-08. Assuming you sold off a few funds, you cannot take those into consideration ma.

You drag 2 column (one is the dates, one is the buy/sell/switch amount. Cannot compute one la. Because end value is RM0 as you sold off the fund.
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post Nov 19 2015, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2015, 03:55 PM)
My disposed funds are still in the worksheet to calculate IRR.

I think your IRR calculations tak betul la sweat.gif
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Cannot be la, bro.

Refer back to V8 https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3450434
Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

When you sell off a fund, column C6, C51 will be RM0 right?

Column I will still show the END profit and loss.

So if column C6 and C51 show 0, how to calculate IRR figure.

My worksheet is based on your earlier worksheet.



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post Nov 19 2015, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2015, 04:10 PM)
When u sold off a fund, the current value will be zero. But so long as u keep the transactions within the XIRR formula range, your P/L on that fund will impact your overall IRR forever.
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2 questions here.

1. In that case, do you have to update the date of the fund you sold off to calculate the IRR?

2. Can you amend the worksheet and show the example how would it look like if you sold everything off?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2015, 04:33 PM)
Back to basics of IRR...

KEY POINT - transaction

Each and every transaction must be captured along with the relevant dates.

When u sell off a fund, the proceeds from sale and the date of sale must be there.

And u must not delete any transaction line.
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Still get #NUM error la.
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post Nov 19 2015, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Nov 19 2015, 04:59 PM)
This is a general reply, and not specific to how the worksheet was structured...

1. Date and value of the fund "sold" should be there to be included into the IRR calculation; if you want to know the IRR of all investments since day 1. Otherwise, the IRR is only on the current portfolio of funds.

2. The whole portfolio was already assumed to be "sold off" at its latest current value in calculating the IRR.

3. Above "sold" means that. Don't confuse it with switching from one fund to another. These swithcing transations - one transaction in, and another transaction out nullified each other and nullified the cash flow. So don't have to keep track of switching transactions in IRR. The real "buys" and "sells" values and dates are needed...
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With all being that, I'm getting #NUM error when I include the fund I sold off.

Pink, help me la. Edit the spreadsheet when you free smile.gif

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post Nov 19 2015, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2015, 05:37 PM)
TakoC

See screenshot attached.

My disposed funds, I move to upper section of my worksheet and hide them away (they're in Rows 384 to 618).

My current fund holdings are in Rows 620 to 796.

See my XIRR formula, it links up Rows 384 to 796, i.e. disposed holdings and current holdings are all included in the formula range.

I unhiddden one of my disposed holdings to illustrate treatment for disposed funds:
- I dumped all my units of Pheim Asia Ex-Japan on 13-Jul-2010 for RM1,546.72
- because I no longer have any holdings in that fund, cell F618 becomes zero
- Cells C618 and E618 no data needed, as units becomes zero, no current price and no current value

No way your disposed holdings would mess up your XIRR formula calculation.
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Found 2 difference.

1. Normally B618 and C618 would have data (latest NAV price, total value - based on latest NAV price * units).

2. I bought AmDynamic through bank. Sold all in two batches. And transferred money into FSM. Forgotten when was the second time I sold off the remaining so the column was empty. That resulted in the error.

And that would determine how well my IRR return is. Lol. Need to dig out the bank paper from years ago. Damn.


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