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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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post Sep 28 2015, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Sep 28 2015, 02:38 PM)
Really? And how many non-Muslims will want to learn Islamic studies?

The logic is the same. If you can accuse vernacular schools of impeding unity due to a mono-cultural environment, the same also directly applies to religious schools.

Its mostly Chinese hanging out with Chinese in Chinese schools, and Muslims hanging out with Muslims in religious schools. There's no getting around it. If the former is a problem, than so it the latter. You're just making excuses for the latter.
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Last time even in SK....it's the same Chinese mostly hangs out with Chinese and Melei with Melei. No difference really.
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Pow! @ Sep 28 2015, 02:42 PM)
Yalor. And if want to talk about Form 6, got no Malay for non bumi to hang out with even. laugh.gif
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Now you remind me...i remember there was erm...arhhh...ermmm...fark you're right. There wasn't any!!! shocking.gif

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post Sep 28 2015, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:47 PM)
LeL u need to take the chill pill.

U are derailing from the topic here.
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You are right. But that troll brought it up. I will stop tokking tax now.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:52 PM)
I don't have statistics but my wife is from sk and i from srjk

In term of science and mathematics i am better than my wife even on basic.

But melay and English grammar etc my waifu better.

I not say who good or bad but as a chinese i always very sensitive if my kid bad a mathematics. Is like Somekind of mind set such ppl can't think fast and easy kena tipu.
For srjk is no even an issue cause majority will enroll to smk afterwards also. Only minority enroll Chinese high school.
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Chinese Independant School....it's like Devil May Cry on INSANE LEVEL. If your kid not the study/genius type, go there, sure die.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 28 2015, 03:01 PM)
it is so bad that i personally knows a few couple (both husband and wife) are bananas (coming from SK) but decided to send all their kids to either Private or SJKC. i dont even bother to ask why. sendiri sudah tahu.
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Me Me Banana! Banana! LOL. Well, i know Canto, only half Banana. But i do know many SK friends also send all their kids to SRJK.

QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 03:02 PM)
Urgh, talk so much in this thread, this better, that better, but have no basis apart from hearsay or own experience, which are damn bias in my opinion. Statistics please people. Then baru ada bottomline.
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You keep yapping so much, then you better provide statistic SK is better. Kan senang?

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post Sep 28 2015, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 03:05 PM)
The best solution is this:

1. Build the single unified stream schools NOW with improved & superior education standards thats better than vernacular schools
2. Don't disturb or close the vernacular schools. Let them run as they are
3. Observe the results 10 years from now

I dare to bet rm100-rm1 vernacular schools will lose out from enrollment alone. You win you take rm100. I win i take rm1 only. Ada berani?
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I wanna improvised.
1. Follow IGCSE level. Already got international proven system. Dun re-invent the wheel.
2. English as the medium of instructions. BM compulsory. Mandarin/Tamil optional.
3. Gov guaranteed ALL RACISM IN SCHOOL TO BE SEVERELY DEALT WITH (not just transfer teacher to another school to keep terrorizing the neighbourhood).

Hell, i don't even mind paying good money like Private school if they do this.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Sep 28 2015, 03:11 PM)
yes  thumbup.gif , i believe many non-bumi parents will do so...work harder for international schools then, if can afford, boarding school so long that our kids need not go thru the ugly quota(s)..

this land is not for our next generation, let it just be our (old generation) burial ground ba!!

ape lu mau di buli-buli lagi, keluar ba
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yep, even if we cannot keluar, have to make sure next gen can keluar.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 28 2015, 03:14 PM)
can you read/write mandarin? no? then you're still a whole banana! not a halfling! lols
me oso canto at first but only start learn speaking mandarin from secondary school onwards. read/write still tabouli.

i oso wanted my kids to go SK if possible so i can be involved with them in their studies. if send them to SJKC, damn, like diff channel lah! chicken and duck talk. but then again, reason and logic have to be placed above all compared to sentiments if you want what's good for them (which parents doesnt?)

The SK in my town are producing rubbish, that eventually goes to the secondary school in my town that is one of the lousiest in Klang district. Gotta send my kids far far away for better environment.
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Wei! You wanna challenge Maruah banana??? Jangan cabar! Banana bangkit! Bangkit!

My son goes to SJKC...ok lah, won't be chicken and duck talk, can teach him Bahasa and English. My wife from SJK, so can teach him Mandarin. So he speaks English with me and English/Mandarin with wife. I would like him to learn Canto as well, but time constraint simply doesn't allow so. So he just knows a bit of Canto. Learning 3 languages is difficult enough. Dialect , just let it be.

But the BM/Mandarin level nowadays..really insane...compared to what we study back then. Don't see reason to make it so hard. In the end, our generation BM also ok. But the English standard nowadays is so low compared to the BM/Mandarin level. So learning English outside is a must.

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post Sep 28 2015, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 28 2015, 03:20 PM)
Send to international school

Best investment

Got chance ur kid can meet krony kids like what happen to jho low

Its all about making connections
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That's true...provided you rich lah...if not rich, will be very tough....kids can learnt to become materialistic...heard story from friend...the kid ashamed he dun have Ah Mat to fetch him....told his friend his father is the driver/Ah Mat. doh.gif

QUOTE(bai1101 @ Sep 28 2015, 03:23 PM)
Problem is bn/Minister didn't wanna admit that sjkc is doing better. So there will come out with mazlan lvl of syllabus that drag every one to drain.

How on earth u wanna parent to trust if there can't provide
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Exactly.
MsGaijinI think most people here can agree somewhat to your proposal, problem is, it can never be executed to become a reality thanks to the political condition. So in the end, just tok only. And the only options is as per currently....SRJK, international school etc.

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post Sep 28 2015, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 28 2015, 03:29 PM)
similar to my plan.

English/Malay with me, Hakka/Mandarin with wife, Canto with grandparents. Let's see how they cope.

Personal experience, we have to cultivate in them a habit of reading from start. READ A LOT. that's where they build up on their vocabs. only when they have the vocabs then only we can train them to use a certain language as their inner thoughts language and subsequently how to articulate and pronounce out their thoughts train. otherwise it is very hard for one to learn a language. not aiming to be a master, but at least i want them to be able to hold a decent conversation.
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You are right...i learnt English when i was a kid mainly because i was a bookworm and likes to hang out at the Library. I think i finished Lord of the Rings trilogy when i was around 17 years old..LOL.

For me now teaching BM is the challenge...kid BM is no good, now need to buy story book and read together with him and explain to him. Sometimes i asked him to search the dictionary himself to pratice. English is ok, not so worried, he can pick up English books and read by himself. Mandarin, i just hope he has the basic after learning for 6 years. Enuff liao.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 03:30 PM)
http://www.nfnaf.my/2015/03/top-10-schools...r-spm-2014.html

top 5 all Malay majority school, so apa bilang?
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erm...SPM level got SJK??? LOL.

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post Sep 28 2015, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(sangkancil99 @ Sep 28 2015, 03:39 PM)
QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 03:30 PM)
http://www.nfnaf.my/2015/03/top-10-schools...r-spm-2014.html

top 5 all Malay majority school, so apa bilang?

Apa you cakap ni? high school mana ada lagi SRJK? The only chinese at secondary level is private chinese schools friend and these schools are purposely excluded from the list.
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Chinese independant high school got another syllabus. Dunnow wat UEM, USM...something can't remember. But maybe they have option to take SPM, not sure.
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post Sep 28 2015, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(StationMonkey @ Sep 28 2015, 06:10 PM)
tell you what,  in agama classes also we learn pretty useless stuff also like nilai murni or adab sopan santun thing.  so it's not purely religious study on history or scriptures.

but as per your suggestion maybe can add up in moral subject asal usul agama in msia i.e.  the previous hindu buddha influences,  just for the sake of  being equal ,  rite? both also pretty useless ma
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Religion should stay out of school. period. Wanna study religion, go study at mosque/temple/church/MPH bookstore.
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post Sep 28 2015, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(zeroonetwo @ Sep 28 2015, 06:24 PM)
sebagai orang yang sangat suka makan daging khinzir

i sapork all efforts to abolish vernacular school

chinese language bole buat separate class . apa susah

integrate , or balik china .

all this talk about preserving culture is basically doublespeak for isolationism , uncomfortable bercampur with people from other races . these old chinese people sendiri isolate sudah , please let younger ones mix around
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