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post Nov 13 2015, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 12:43 PM)
*touch wood*  My car is running great. I havent had any of the problems u mentioned. And i hope it doesnt happen.

Only problem i have is just some minor QC problem....But all solve already.....

Only issue i have now is the turbo wastegate rattling sound due the free play. Its annoying me. But i was told it is a normal. It happen when you rev and then let go the throttle. As the revs drop, you can hear that "klik klik klik klik" sound......

Other than that, my car is great........love it.....
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I see non mechanical issue as minor issue. Good to hear that you have not encountered any, tongue.gif touchwood tongue.gif

With regards to the turbine wastegate, do you mean linkage issue?
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post Nov 13 2015, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 13 2015, 05:01 PM)
Appreciate you sharing your stock dyno. Quite interesting to see how a Peugeot engine performs.

The choice of transmission does indeed affect the output of power and torque.

In comparison, a stock Golf mk7 tsi of similar turbocharged engine capacity outputs these sort of numbers.
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Doesn't seem like the EA211 engine has a flat torque band from 1,500 r.p.m. to 3,500 r.p.m. but seems like the torque is higher than claimed. Was the run done using a very low gearing?
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post Nov 13 2015, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 13 2015, 06:04 PM)
Yes, many owners who dynoed their cars were actually surprised with the numbers it returned. They were higher than what's stated on paper.
The test was done on gear 3, gear 4 actually return even better numbers. Although the torque isn't flat, drivers still get over 200nm of usable torque from 2100RPM all the way till 5000RPM.

Would be nice to see how the 408THP engine performs from 0 to 3500RPM, that would give us all a clearer picture of how the engine and power kicks in over the entire range.
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The only two things I can think of higher torque than the claimed figure, is due to the positive error (accuracy) on the dyno tester or using gear with ratio higher than it supposed to.

If 4th gear returns with better figure than 3rd gear, then this is weird, consistency issue or repeatability error hmm.gif

I would actually prefer to have slightly lower flat torque than to have higher torque but starts to drop early.
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post Nov 13 2015, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 13 2015, 06:38 PM)
The dyno figures done between GT auto and Vision Sunway are more or less very similar to each other. There are also dyno reports found at JC racing which reported similar numbers so I would say those numbers are quite accurate.
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Then there must be something wrong with the in house dyno tester in VW R&D. I wonder if we from the water spinach country is better than those Germans when comes to this kinda test hmm.gif

Not sure why is that we aren't seeing the flat torque as the manufacturer claimed.

Some dyno testers are calibrated periodically, if they do that, there is a accuracy report which is most of the time traceable and you can find out how accurate is the reading typically from 10% to 100% of the range.

I noticed most of the dynos here in this country, are not calibrated periodically unlike in the west. As calibration is at a premium, with revenue into consideration, here, most of the auto shops are not doing it.

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post Nov 17 2015, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(mayalab @ Nov 17 2015, 08:50 PM)
New 408 is offering a pretty attractive price now. ~RM104K for TE spec with 5 years free servicing.
But i am holding back my purchase now. No doubt it is a nice spacious car to drive. I have heard too many complaints on the poor service from the SC in Johor.
Sigh. What a pity...
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You can even find RM101k for TS+ but it's also the after sales service one of the reasons holding me back from buying.

It's indeed a very nice car, too bad the distributor is giving lousy after sales service.
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post Nov 18 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(towar2 @ Nov 18 2015, 11:10 AM)
is the price OTR ? include GST and registration fees ?
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The mentioned price is OTR price Sir.
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post Nov 18 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(towar2 @ Nov 18 2015, 03:31 PM)
which is better buy, 2015 new 408, or 2014 used 508 ? both price around the same.
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Well, I guess this is personal preference. I personally prefer new vehicle.
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post Nov 25 2015, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(speed.demon @ Nov 25 2015, 11:44 AM)
According to SC, 215km/h is the electronically-limited top speed. I suspect it was because the road was on a decline plane and helped reduce my engine strain just that tiny bit.

RPM was ~5300 and I don't think I could've gone higher, probably ran out of torque.
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Manufacturer says the Vmax which is 215km/h, is limited by the ECU.

5,300 r.p.m. at 6th gear is equivalent to about 221km/h according to the calculation from the manufacturer's data given. I believe if it's not due to the limitation from the ECU, it could have gone faster.

Mine to share which part of the expressway you were running at that speed? North-South Expressway between Seremban to Malacca? I find it's difficult to drive at that speed on two lanes only freeway unless the time required to achieve the Vmax is shorter.


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post Nov 26 2015, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(speed.demon @ Nov 26 2015, 08:20 PM)
My run was on the new Penang bridge. Its mostly empty but very susceptible to wind. When it's windy or even drizzling, you need to drive much more slower than compared to the normal highway.
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I guess that was second bridge, don't think you can drive that fast on the northern bridge.
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post Dec 1 2015, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Dec 1 2015, 12:01 PM)
Have no literature to confirm this,but feel it may be 'engine offload' limit programmed at ECU. Do you need to exceed 4K at N for any purpose?
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post Dec 4 2015, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(vknight @ Dec 3 2015, 09:57 PM)
Hi Guys

I gave my car for service last Saturday and still in Glenmarie because of the issue I informed you guys before. I called them today to ask for status. It seems the main technician said the continuous pull back is due to engine ECU and waiting for approval to be replaced.

Also, the items are recalled - Temp Sensor and Water pump. Getting worried the minute they touch this parts other issues will crop up.

Just keeping you guys informed in case you have similar problem
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No issue with the fuel pump?

What issue with the coolant temperature sensor and the water pump?
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post Dec 4 2015, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(vknight @ Dec 4 2015, 04:09 PM)
My HPFP already changed a few months ago. I am not sure some.other prob caused the ECU to malfunction but they are changing the ECU.

Temp sensor and water - i got no issue currently but it seems my batch is under recall for this items. Will ask further when I collect the car. The thing is they never call to update status.
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The vehicle pull back effect is not due to the fuel pump but ECU? After the fuel pump changed, did you encounter the same symptom?

Seems life they still have a very long way to go to improve the quality of service.
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post Dec 5 2015, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(Kananana @ Dec 5 2015, 03:55 PM)
hey guys... have you guys encountered rear axle bent problem? today i went to a trye shop to do wheel alignment as i found that my tyre wear is uneven. Then the mechanic told me that the rear axle is bent and the rear axle is the fixed type and no adjustment can be made on the rear and also no matter how i do alignment it will cause my front left wheel to wear unevenly...He told me to go back sc and claim warranty... so is this covered under warranty?

I've attached a picture that he told me to take down and show it to the sc...some advice pls...seemed like serious problem  sad.gif  sad.gif

BTW my car is just a little over 20k mileage and less than 1 year car

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Rear toe in of 34 minit you mean? I believe the rear axle is fixed able and it's non adjustable. But I have encountered alignment tool not calibrated and giving high percentage of error and since alignment is cheap, you might want to consider look for another alignment machine that is properly calibrated and cross-check with this result.

You can actually ask them to print you a report, it's customer's right to get a alignment report but most "ahbeng" or "ahkau" workshops won't bother about that.
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post Dec 6 2015, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Kananana @ Dec 6 2015, 12:10 AM)
Yup..that's what i mean... I've already went to two tyre shop..the first one didn't tell me any problem and he just did alignment for my car...but after driven for a few weeks I still notice the car's eating the tyre thread...I'll be visiting sc this coming Thursday to check on my low coolant level problem...will ask sc regarding this problem....anyway, if the rear axle is found broken or whatever describes it, is it under warranty or is it a wear n tear part? hopefully under warranty cry.gif  cry.gif
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I suppose the rear right tyre is wearing on the outer side right?
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post Dec 6 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(fesick @ Dec 6 2015, 06:49 AM)
This happen to my car few months ago right after send for service.. they reflash the ecu and everything back to normal.. but this is the second time it happen.. I also not sure what causing the problem..
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Did they reflash or they only clear the error code?
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QUOTE(Kananana @ Dec 6 2015, 05:23 PM)
Nope...its the front left tyre wearing on the outer side, the tyre man told me that it's the rear right tyre that is causing it
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What!? shocking.gif What is the logic behind this? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Dec 9 2015, 05:10 PM)
I have never tried bringing my car to Vmax on the road. Too dangerous. Our road also not to say the best.

But when i dyno, i saw the speedo go more than 215kmh.

So....something for your guys to figure  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif 

I also dont know why it can go beyond the stated 215kmh limit......I have not remap or done anything to the ECU.....
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Any car on the dyno performs better than what is claimed. U might want to put into account the resistance factors during high speed driving on the road.
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post Dec 10 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Dec 10 2015, 09:36 AM)
From my understanding, it is LIMITED BY ECU. So it doesnt matter on what condition you are in, so long as you can or IF you can reach 215kmh, the ECU will kick in to cut power and restrict you to go any faster. That is my understanding when they say LIMITED BY ECU. Feel free to correct if i am wrong or misunderstood the LIMITED BY ECU term  rclxub.gif

Unless you are telling me that on the dyno, the LIMITED BY ECU is switch off or automatically turns off, then i am really not sure  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  Because it went more than 215kmh for sure on the dyno.
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I think you're absolutely correct on the term "limited by ECU". I actually made a mistake forgetting this when I was quoting doh.gif. Stupid me, I apologize.

So, if the manufacturer says limited at 215km/h but it goes beyond 215km/h, could it because of the limit not triggered by wheel speed sensor but other sensors like transmission load sensor, engine load sensor, or engine load relatively to vehicle speed?

Was the dynamometer run performed on the 6th gear?
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QUOTE(wjchay @ Dec 18 2015, 02:48 PM)
My belt broke and after a while all electronics warning popped up, ac off, finally lost all power, emergency lights didn't work, power steering gone, and glided to side of road. Luckily I was not driving long distance and fast.

Could be a blessing in disguise, next week I am going long distance with family.

Sent in to CSL, hope they can get it fixed by tomorrow sad.gif Probably will cost me < RM2k.
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Good to hear that you and the car are OK.

How long the belt has been running with the engine?
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post Dec 18 2015, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(wjchay @ Dec 18 2015, 02:57 PM)
My car is about 2 years 4 mths now. Its 38k km now and 50k service due in 2 weeks time.

So I still don't know what went wrong, except this is my luck. SC told me only happens like 1 in every 100 car, could be a gut feel number.
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Fan belt snapped in less than 40kM doesn't sound positive. Typical periodic replacement for fan belt (not including the timing belt that runs the cam pulley) is 60kM. It makes me think of either component driven by the belt is too restrictive or the belt tension is too high.

And in this 3rd country, most of the workshops (I'm directing to authorized workshops), the service receptionist are generally not technically competent which is why sometimes you would notice many service receptionist don't have mechanical or mechatronic background what's more automotive.

The distributor which has been having transmission plagued with issues here is also having those service receptionists.

The next time when you visit the workshop, you might want to talk to the owner or the director, incompetent service staff starts from a incompetent team leader.

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