Sputnik News reports hypothetical US false flag plan based on vague assumption, recommends Russia move troops to counter

Why am I not surprised...

Meanwhile in Ukraine there are 0 Russian troops there.

QE's working up time will be quite long, from 2018 to 2020 IIRC. The F35B pilots will work up carrier ops with the USN's flattops at first. Furthermore the modernised and oversized design of QE is supposed to simplify aircraft handling - you're looking at a ship more than 3/4 the size of Nimitz but carrying a surge max of 36 jets and normally only 12 jets.

They're quite aware of the training factor since that's almost their only edge left along with their high tech weapons. Budget problems are insane and their entire armed forces are smaller than the US Marines.

What is the purpose of S400 then? With the S400 in place the West will be forced to step down their bombing or even cease altogether. The risk and consequences of a shootdown is too great especially if ISIS then get their hands on a pilot.

Of course the konspirasi tards will say its proof of West supporting ISIS....

Damn that is nice!
Because *somebody* decided to use the Syrian war as a pretext to throw fighters around and entered Turkish airspace like its his datuk mia jalan. Russia is the number 1 world champion in disrespecting airspace all over Europe, and just like every time the NATOs and British have to send their QRA flights up on a monthly basis as a symbolic gesture to say GTFO, this is the US telling Russia not to dick with their buddy Turkey. Practically all of NATO flies out of Incirlik airbase you know.

But now the S400 is deployed the brinkmanship just got ratcheted up again. Meanwhile the main job will be undone simply because Putin wants a dick swinging contest to relive the good ol Cold War days.

At least maybe the West will get a good look at S400 radar. UK deploying another RC-135 to Turkey.

Actually now is the right time. Due to the O&G slowdown a lot of support vessels and container ships are sitting idle. Picking up a couple and converting it for military use would be excellent. Ideally a RollOnRollOff that can ferry Twardy and ACVs to ESSCOM but even a small support ship converted from a container ship can give RMN some flexibility.

Take 1 container ship. Add 2 heli spots and hangars. Add a containerised hospital and 50 or so wards. Upgrade water purifying plant. Result: support and disaster relief ship. Throw it around next time we have flood or Philippines kena typhoon. Instant credibility.

Add a 30mm cannon fore and aft and a couple of machine guns. Result: 1 extra ESSCOM patrol ship for when not used for disaster relief.

Adjust the deck load; add 2 more heli spots. Result: cheapo LHA that can land at least 1 platoon from the sea. Alternatively add boat davits and buy landing boats. Cheapo LPD.

Washington sent F-15C in early November immediately after first incursion (that was publicly announced) by Russian fighters into Turkey airspace. Given that its not difficult to avoid another country's airspace, not like Syria very kecik and cramped, what's the point behind Russia's intrusion seems to be the better question.

S400 changes the game because its Russia's most advanced SAM and no aircraft has a counter against SAM other than ejecting flares and hoping it misses. The only way is to destroy the SAM with bombs and as you say, F-15C doesn't do air to ground. Its literally a gun against which there is no defence. You like walking around with a gun pointed at you, trusting that the user won't make *another* MH17 mistake?

Edit: Besides, Russia brought SU-30s and MIG-29s first, and the original incursions way back in October which everyone conveniently forgets was made by MIG-29s, not dedicated ground attack like SU-24. What's the point of that?

This post has been edited by KLboy92: Dec 2 2015, 11:19 AM

Is Washington deploying "additional" F-15Cs?

I get that, I was trying to be brief. The point being, short of air to ground SEAD or DEAD work there is nothing an aircraft can do, but suffer being painted by S400 and hope the gunner isn't as trigger happy as the dumbass who shot down MH17. And any nonsense like firing HARMs obviously will trigger WW3.

As I said earlier, the F15Cs were deployed in November in response to Russian incursion into Turkish airspace by a MIG-29 air superiority fighter in early October. Supposedly the fighter even illuminated Turkish F16s flying QRA.

So the better question is what's the point of flying MIG-29s into Turkey? Its not as if Syria is like Singapore, too cramped for flying...

Hmm. Ammo cook off? M1 Saudi standard has no ammo blowout panels IIRC... definitely no depleted uranium armor

Unfortunately.

You're the one who said this, not me. To which I asked, what is the point of S400 then? Because its certainly not there to shoot ISIS either. Its just yet another escalation courtesy of Putin and his NATO-baiting brinkmanship: S400 is a gun that can only be countered by destroying it and that is impossible. It effectively hinders Western attempts to bomb ISIS which is why no Western aircraft have flown strikes against ISIS since S400 was put in place 28 Nov.

As for the F-15Cs they were in response to the Russian incursions into Turkey. And yes, Russia sent in MIG-29s into Turkey, who *claims* they even illuminated the Turkish F-16s. For which there is no explanation why either.

Ok I reread the news. The Mig-29 which crossed into Turkey is thought to be Syrian. The Russian fighter which crossed into Turkey was a SU-30SM. These incidents happened around October 4 and 5.

Ok perhaps I misread your first post which seemed to be replying to a news about S400 deployment. The F-15Cs were deployed in November in response to the alleged Russian incursions not because of ISIS. Not sure why you keep beating that dead horse.

Wadafak...

Kim Jong Un kuda atensi

Damn. I didn't think Erdogan would have the balls to do it.

And here comes the Sputniknews propa

Montreux Convention, also mentioned somewhere upthread. Naturally Sputniknews disagrees

All under the overriding caveat of "because Turkey says so", which was fine for the Russians back when they were friends but not now. Payback's a bitch innit?

Iraq is West ally and anyway can barely object.

Syria is hostile but hasn't fired on the Western aircraft though the West is sending fighter escorts just in case.

Speaking of foreign jets... notice all the Arab States have pulled out? So much for revenge for the Jordanian pilot etc

My sympathy really would be with Russia if not for Ukraine/Crimea.

There you go. All those Syrian SAMs... pointed at 'all those' ISIS aircraft... and where did all this hardware magically appear from? Can anyone dispute Russia's true motive of supporting Assad now?

Yeah I know. Just read too much pro-Rusiya propa, bit fed up. That Kadyrov guy jilat better than our Cabinet man