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TSlucifah
post Nov 22 2006, 03:25 PM, updated 6y ago

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OK. this thread is not for the faint at heart.

This thread serves the purpose to help those with an annual income exceeding RM70,000 or businessess where you can't alter your profit or loss

the question:

How do I reduce my income tax?

Of course, some of my ways would be:

1. Increase expenditure
2. Buy lots of assetts - vehicles h&p, building s&p, etc
3. Pay high salary to "family employees"
4. pay zakat
5. computer - rm 3,500 insta-rebate (sadly, every 3 yrs only)

any of you got any more ideas? i do hope LYN hs some real accountants / editors who can share their thoughts on how to reduce the taxes without breaking any law
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post Nov 22 2006, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Nov 22 2006, 03:52 PM)
buy vehicle can deduct mei?  The 3.5k for computer is not a rebate ler. Its a deduction only.
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the hire & purchase agreement is tax-deductible (since you pay the setem cukai / hasil there already)


QUOTE(tasnim @ Nov 22 2006, 04:17 PM)
Books are deductible... make sure you keep the receipt
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that's only RM500.00 and i've maxed that out with newspapers & mag subscriptions
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post Nov 22 2006, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Nov 22 2006, 08:39 PM)
buying educational books can help, bring the recipt. I thought there was one article in the newspaper about it. Tried LHDN website?
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educational books or even comic books are considered under the rm500 rebate for books, which i have maxed out since early of the year

that leaves about rm 9,500+ to pay the govt wink.gif
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post Nov 23 2006, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(mxxuang @ Nov 22 2006, 11:23 PM)
Here's a list of personal relief which might help you :

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this list is available right out of the income tax booklet

however, all that you had stated must be attached with a valid receipt and supporting documents,

unfortunately, i am very healthy

and no, i am not going agains the law. dun main2 dgn income tax woooo... they know everything wink.gif

i am thinking of "smart" ways that seems to be illegal, but is actually within the governing laws

i know smart accountants and auditors know them. however, when i asked them for advice, they'd cahrge me rm 2,500 for their professional fee, which i am very reluctant to and defeats the main purpose to increase my profit
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post Nov 23 2006, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Nov 23 2006, 10:04 AM)
Perfectly legal way to reduce your income.  Appoint your wife, children and relatives to be non-voting directors of your company.  They get pay and they do not have to work.  They only have to attend meeting/party every now and then.

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exactly my plan (see tactic no 3)

is there any minimum age for a director? should the process go through lawyer and be made public thru newspaper?

QUOTE(xcrue @ Nov 23 2006, 10:21 AM)
computer is rebate RM500 every 5 years smile.gif

r u seeking tax planning for individual or company?

For company, if the paidup capital is less than RM2.5million, the first Rm500k is taxable @ 20%, so for small company u r advisable to limit up the paidup capital.

U can appoint ur family members as directors as well by paying them directors fees,
hence the EPF rate can be increase from 11% to 19%.

Ur company can frank/issue dividend to directors by using retained earnings, distribution in specie as well. Hence ,the profit of ur company can be spread over to other directors who will be taxed at individual rate. By franking dividend, u have to make sure that there is enough S108 dividend credit in ur company account,else there'll be S106 penalty .

By paying dividend, the recipient can claim S110 set off (rebate at tax payable) @ 28% ,hence the possibility of getting tax refund is high if ur tax paybale rate or marginal rate is lower than 28%

there's more to go... smile.gif
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moar. moar

(somehow, i sense that you are an auditor lurking inLYN forum wink.gif)

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post Nov 23 2006, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(medicontherun @ Nov 23 2006, 07:10 PM)
so basically if u tell te government i earn less than this amount but buy assets round this amount
the government will create a nice headlines on the news with u in it?tongue.gif
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fear IRB

it's more frightening than all along's combined. they have every details of your money and holds every transaction in every commercial bank in malaysia
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post Feb 10 2008, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(ngclee @ Feb 10 2008, 01:15 PM)
Personal salary RM2.5k per month subject to income tax?
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2.5 equates 30k per annum. just keep quiet and the LHDN won't bugger you


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post May 23 2008, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(Andy0625 @ May 23 2008, 06:53 PM)
Hope you guys can answer my question below.

Let say my partner and i operate a business and it's not sdn bhd , can i have Company trip for vacation ?
If yes , then why the auditor say no and they said that you only can give company vacation trip for workers only.

If like that , the partner and boss no need to go ?

Hope you guys can help answer my question above.
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i asked my accountant and he also told me the same thing. company vacation is not business related.

but if you change it to "business trip", then it's allowable expenses
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post May 24 2008, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Andy0625 @ May 23 2008, 07:05 PM)
It's really very weird scenario though , workers can take vacation while the boss need to pay for himself.  doh.gif
Even if it's a vacation trip and declare as business trip , who knows aye ?  biggrin.gif  *but still need to pay for wife and children ones.  blush.gif

I haven't go through all the pages yet , from what i heard from my accountant , they say that children books can claim up to rm1000.
I'll browse through all soon , thanks for the prompt reply.  smile.gif
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just re-checked with my accountant. he says vacations for staff is allowable expenses. vacation for business owner / proprieters are not

HOWEVER, if the vacation is "business related", then it's justifiable as allowable expenses (faham faham la...)

now, business related can also be defined as "motivational rests" (cuti lah) - a good rests and to meet up "potential" clients (your frens / family)

for books, this year it's has been bumped up to rm 1,000. not just limited to children books - any type of publication qualifies


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post May 25 2008, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(lwb @ May 24 2008, 04:52 PM)


the question that i asked myself occasionally.. am i ready to go into this "arena" full time? mind you, my income tax is 5-digit and i feel the pain (whenever the government screw around with public funds)
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yes, that's the kind of sentiment i have

worse, i'm in sarawak where the public infrastructure lags 10-years behind that of semenanjung

and i'm only paying a 4-digit tax

i share your pain, mate - and yours with a 5-digit, i can't imagine


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post Apr 3 2009, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(toto4d @ Mar 11 2009, 05:50 PM)
Hehe, the tax officer said for this kind of amount, they won't chase u till so details, as long as u got something to show, then ok lo.  biggrin.gif

Hmm... last year i have books receipt worth 3k ++, dunno whether got value if i sell it for ppl who need it for tax rebate?  tongue.gif
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me! me! i need those man... i bought too many comics instead of technical journals. next time, gotta make a deal with the shopkeeper to change the desctiption in the receipt

anyhow, glad to see this thread still alive, esp in april, every year... hehehe
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post Apr 28 2009, 01:22 PM

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huys, i need a quick answer

i just realized my 2008 EA form has some new amendments - there's a Part "G" where it states "JUMLAH ELAUN / PERKUISIT / PEMBERIAN / MANFAAT YANG DIKECUALIKAN CUKAI"


So, my question is whether i need to deduct the amount from my total PENGGAJIAN?

example:

PENGGAJIAN in EA: X
PENGECUALIAN in EA: Y
PENGGAJIAN in Form BE: X - Y




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post Apr 28 2009, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 28 2009, 02:04 PM)
the correct thing to do is taking the total salary + allowance etc without bothering the Section G
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hm... the problem is my monthly basic salary x 12 months is much much less than the one stated in PENGGAJIAN

the PENGECUALIAN is more to traveling allowances (living expenses) and the amount is quite substantial (>7k) since I travel more than 1/3 of my annual working days

hm... kinda confusing my company's EA form is
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post Apr 28 2009, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 28 2009, 03:12 PM)
just follow the EA Form, in case anything go wrong, that's your employer's fault.  unless the difference is really substantial
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the exemption covers earning of RM7,000+, which is also the difference between the taxable income

thus the tax amount differs about RM 400+ (7%, since the tax bracket is upped) if i exclude the PENGECUALIAN


QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Apr 28 2009, 03:17 PM)
Calculating tax is not just basic salary x 12.
Must include other income like 13/14 mth bonus, year end bonus, special bonus, incentives, KPI, allowance, etc.
Refer back your payslip and total it up. If not tally, please ask the finance dept to clarify.
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the bonus is declared under PENDAPATAN TAHUN KEBELAKANGAN YANG BELUM DILAPORKAN and and has it's tax pre-deducted already, so basically it's covered.

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post Jan 13 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 13 2012, 06:10 PM)
I received an email from HR regarding this:
May I know what does this mean? I see a lot of stars!  rclxub.gif
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as long as the amount of BIK is less than 2k, just ignore it as you don't have to declare it

if your BIk is > 2k, then the excess will have to be declared under income and taxed accordingly
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 13 2012, 11:00 PM)
May I know what is BIK? I'm still unclear over this as this term is my first time encounter such entry.  notworthy.gif
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here, the details

http://www.ctim.org.my/PDF/Technical/Benef...ndum%203%29.pdf

in short, whatever that you received from your company, that is not part of your wages - such as discounts, phone lines, fuel or etc etc


Added on January 13, 2012, 11:14 pm
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 13 2012, 11:09 PM)
"Benefits In Kind"
eg. company sold to U a demo car below market price by $10K, thus your BIK = $10K
OR
U are given a property to live in, with services and stuff, costing say $7K per month.
Thus your BIK for the year = $7K *12 mths

Er.. please correct me if i'm in lalaland ar fellow forumers. notworthy.gif
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yes, those are some examples

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post Mar 29 2012, 03:09 PM

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1.

erm... latest info i got from friends is that any tablets with phone capabilities (i.e. 3g) cannot be considered as computer purchase

so, it means galaxy note, tab, s2 and even iphone & ipads cannot claim tax relief

with exception galaxy tab wifi and ipad wifi only...

anyone can confirm this?

is it device with 3g or device with telephony that is considered not allowable?



2.

i read a column in the star and apparently golf balls can be claimed for tax relief (under sports)

but why can't you claim for badminton shuttlecocks? aren't they the same? i.e. consumable, rather than equipment?

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post Mar 29 2012, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 29 2012, 03:28 PM)
Tablets having 3G capability doesn't mean it has Phone feature. Eg. iPad2 3G+Wi-Fi

Shuttlecocks can claim... who says cannot claim ?
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for the tablet, can you double confirm as i have been receiving mixed response?



according to my accountant (and his circle of tax accountant friends) - only sports equipment, like racquets, bicycle, golf clubs, etc can be claimed

shoes or shirts cannot be claimed. if you ride bicycle competitively, new parts for the bikes (eg new chain or new brakes) also cannot be claimed

if you can confirm that shuttlecocks can be claimed, it'd be nice. i have a few hundreds ringgit worth of shuttlecocks. sadly, only rm300 limit.



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post Mar 29 2012, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 29 2012, 06:22 PM)
Your accountant (and tax accountant) are useless

http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/Explanat...es_BE2011_2.pdf

D11 PURCHASE OF SPORTS EQUIPMENT
An amount limited to a maximum of RM300 is deductible in respect
of expenses expended by the individual for the purchase of sports
equipment for any sports activity as defined under the Sports
Development Act 1997. Sports equipment includes equipment with
short lifespan e.g. golf balls and shuttlecocks but excluding sports
attire, e.g. swimsuits and sports shoes. Paragraph 46(1)(l)
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good info. thanx mate. so another rm300 to deduct

still very high on the tax bracket for me... no kids or wide to add as deductibles...

max'ed out on books relief (1,000), sports relief (300), broadband relief (500). computer can only claim every 3 years. even epf is more than the allowable 6k.

anymore reliefs that a forever alone guy like me can enjoy?
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post Mar 31 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 31 2012, 04:05 PM)
e-BE 2011 need to be submitted by 30 April 2012
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if u do e-filing, it's extended to 15 may 2012



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