if the specific diseases have not been identified then yes
for example Guillain–Barré syndrome which also causes AFP was identified in 1916
so ppl with Guillain–Barré syndrome wont be under poliomyelitis.

wait u think since 1950s until now ppl have never found new diseases ah?
every year we improve out method of diagnosis to achieve better and pricise diagnosis.

polio for example
sos

before 1789 ppl dont even know what polio is. there was no such term
only in 1908 ppl know about poliovirus

so based on ur logic this Underwood guy and Landsteiner simply made a new term out of thin air???

Blatant rigging of the number of polio cases in favor of polio vaccines. Tell me if I am wrong.

No need to explain so much, I just need the word yes, thanks for that.

it is clearly stated in the graph why the numbers were reduce (read the description for the black box)
as medical knowledge improves they discovered new diseases and statistics are agjusted to corelate with the new knowledge.
also there were some cases of transient paralysis (temporary paralysis)

it has nothing to do with polio vaccine.
this graph only concerns incidence rate poliomyelitis and its outcome.
nowhere in that graph it says vaccine.
just because someone posted this graph on a anti vax blog does not make in related.

reverse image search this graph 1st result in google is vactruth.com
seriously u still reading off the site??
+ every single antivac article out there with this graph has the exact same words.
i mean exactly copy paste.

this ppl dont even know what they taking about simply copy pasting without understanding.

I am reading the original Ratner report. But here's what the report has to say about the numbers:



In layman's terms, because of change in diagnosis, the number of paralyptic polio is bound to decrease, at the same time the number of nonparalyptic polio is bound to increase, regardless of whether or not the polio vaccine has been used.

Interesting read. Here, I give you the report at length:

Ratner report

This post has been edited by icehart85: Oct 7 2015, 03:57 PM

there got write what..
coxsackie virus infection and aseptic menigitis have been distinguished.......
meaning prior to this report cox infection and aseptic meningitis with paralysis were in fact classified as poliomyelitis.

if they already know cox virus cause the paralysis of cause they have to decrease the number.
because it was not caused by polio in the first place. they just did not know cox virus/aseptic meningitis can cause paralysis at the time of initial data collection

Holy fark, because of lack of testing, they were releasing vaccines with live polio virus causing outbreak of vaccine-induced cases. Tsk tsk tsk.

yes this did occur. IN 1955
nowdays research have improved these vaccines and we know as previously discussed the odds are 1 in 4 mil.
hence why most countries switched to the safer IPV

if u ask me IPV>OPV>no vaccine

See this is a result of being sceptical to the effectiveness of polio vaccines, you will never learnt this much with blind faith

i already know this even before my first post in this thread.
like i said its not blind faith
i actualy know what im talking about

This post has been edited by dregatar: Oct 7 2015, 04:31 PM

Even doctors who have doubts at that time about the efficacy of the Salk vaccine has to give in to public pressure at that time. Sounds familiar??

well scepticism is in human nature.
nobody is to be blammed here

so now maybe TS can close this thread and put this topic to rest.

I am not done yet, where do you have that idea that this topic has come to a close? I havent even finished the Ratner report.

this thread is very productive

i have learned a lot of new knowledge

TS you can close this thread but I will reopen one in RWI. Dangers of vaccination needs to be highlighted to the public.

Dangers of anti vaccination need to be highlighted to the public

So many topics can be covered, we are barely scratching the surface of vaccination. Besides, up to now, I am still not convinced that polio vaccines saves lives, in fact it can be more of a detriment from what I have learnt so far. That coupled with the low incidence rate in today's world is showing that fear factor rather than absolute science plays a bigger role in vaccination uptake rate.

can moderator move this thread to RWI??
then we can cont our discussion there..
this thread has a lot of beneficial info for the general /ktards

This post has been edited by dregatar: Oct 7 2015, 04:54 PM