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post Oct 6 2015, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:00 PM)
That is like me saying I would admit that vaccination may be some help but I still wont take it, so no hypocrisy involved.  laugh.gif
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Nobody forcing u to take vaccine. just keep it to urself..
Ppl nowdays believe crap on facebook more than their doctors.
as i said before my problem is ppl like u spreading rumours and putting the community at risk

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post Oct 6 2015, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 6 2015, 11:13 PM)
Simple, I would not vaccinate my child if the vaccination is confirmed to cause allergic reaction. But I will seek doctor's advice on other non allergic types of vaccinations. If there are no other types of vaccinations, then vaccination is not possible and the child will have to live his/her life more carefully. Thats all. Having said that, it doesn't mean ALL vaccinations for ALL children should be abandoned as what that icehart85 is so keen on propagating.

If there's no side effects to the child, then why not? My child went through the full cycle of immunisation with no side effects (except for that 1 or 2 fevers). My neighbour's child is going through the same immunisation and no side effects as well. So are children of other family members. Your's could be an unfortunate case, the statistical 1%

Perhaps your child may be protected by herd immunity. But what if everybody is not immunized? We have zero polio cases now. What if, in a hypothetical scenario, sometime in the future where nobody is immunized and a foreigner came to the country with polio. What will happen?

I will rather immunise my child against eradicated diseases now, than taking chances and hoping the child grows up and never encounter any of those diseases.

Rather than cherry picking information from a chiropractor, I'd rather come to my own conclusion from more neutral sources of information such as vaccines.procon.org
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Never in my position have I stated that. Rather the position by pro vaxx is what irks me the most: ALL vaccinations for ALL children should be imposed. In fact it should be mandatory. Why? To infuse herd immunity for the benefit of whole population. doh.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(dregatar @ Oct 6 2015, 11:15 PM)
Nobody forcing u to take vaccine. just keep it to urself..
Ppl nowdays believe crap on facebook more than their doctors.
as i said before my problem is ppl like u spreading rumours and putting the community at risk
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I am not spreading rumors, and I am not taking the crap from fb. Again if you disagree with the numbers of polio incidence, feel free to refute it, otherwise just admit that the incidence is so small that it warrants no vaccination for polio. If the US can make the case for BCG, it should make sense that polio vaccination should be treated in the same manner. brows.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:20 PM

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I am not vaccinated against JAV and 10/10 babes and have no plans to do so
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:22 PM

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post Oct 6 2015, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:16 PM)
Never in my position have I stated that. Rather the position by pro vaxx is what irks me the most: ALL vaccinations for ALL children should be imposed. In fact it should be mandatory. Why? To infuse herd immunity for the benefit of whole population.  doh.gif
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you're not planning to have kids anyway, why bother?
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:18 PM)
I am not spreading rumors, and I am not taking the crap from fb. Again if you disagree with the numbers of polio incidence, feel free to refute it, otherwise just admit that the incidence is so small that it warrants no vaccination for polio. If the US can make the case for BCG, it should make sense that polio vaccination should be treated in the same manner.  brows.gif
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Even if anyone does takes polio Vaccine, tell me again what's a reasonable wrong?
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:26 PM

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post Oct 6 2015, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:18 PM)
I am not spreading rumors, and I am not taking the crap from fb. Again if you disagree with the numbers of polio incidence, feel free to refute it, otherwise just admit that the incidence is so small that it warrants no vaccination for polio. If the US can make the case for BCG, it should make sense that polio vaccination should be treated in the same manner.  brows.gif
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18 pages and ur only strong argument is the incidence of polio??

because some ppl can get polio because some of them become paralysis and because some die we as a community
should be vaccinated disregarding the number since there is a vaccine for it

majority of polio infected ppl have none / few synstomps only unlike TB.
u will never know if the bangla serving ur food at the restaurant is a polio carrier or not.
hopefully one day polio will be eradicated then i would agree with u to stop polio vaccination.

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post Oct 6 2015, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Oct 6 2015, 11:22 PM)
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n 1988, 32,419 cases of paralytic poliomyelitis were reported globally. While estimating the paralytic cases, WHO increased this figure 10-fold, to 350,000, with the argument that the actual cases were ten times the reported cases. By a sleight of hand, in subsequent literature, the word “reported” was deleted and it was claimed that annually polio paralyses ‘more than 350,000 children'!

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post Oct 6 2015, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(dregatar @ Oct 6 2015, 11:27 PM)
majority of polio infected ppl have none / few synstomps only unlike TB.
u will never know if the bangla serving ur food at the restaurant is a polio carrier or not.
hopefully one day polio will be eradicated then i would agree with u to stop polio vaccination.
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There are already no reported case in Malaysia. So what is preventing us from stopping polio vaccination?
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:16 PM)
Never in my position have I stated that. Rather the position by pro vaxx is what irks me the most: ALL vaccinations for ALL children should be imposed. In fact it should be mandatory. Why? To infuse herd immunity for the benefit of whole population.  doh.gif
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20+ page argument about vaccine myth and dangers and how it was not necessary and it was all a lie for pharma's profits and now you change your goalpost to "Rather the position by pro vaxx is what irks me the most..... Why? To infuse herd immunity for the benefit of whole population."

Go fuck yourself and stop endangering other ppl's children vmad.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 6 2015, 11:26 PM)
Even if anyone does takes polio Vaccine, tell me again what's a reasonable wrong?
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There is nothing wrong with taking polio vaccine. So is there something wrong with not taking polio vaccine?
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:29 PM)

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350000 is an estimated number developed from survey on unreported cases
same like recent Ebola outbreak
there was a reported number and there was a estimated number.
just because some fanatic found out coincidentally it is 10 fold does not make WHO a bunch of liars
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:32 PM)
There are already no reported case in Malaysia. So what is preventing us from stopping polio vaccination?
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all the bangla india nepal indons coming to indon how?? u know they are polio free??
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 6 2015, 11:32 PM)
20+ page argument about vaccine myth and dangers and how it was not necessary and it was all a lie for pharma's profits and now you change your goalpost to "Rather the position by pro vaxx is what irks me the most..... Why? To infuse herd immunity for the benefit of whole population."

Go fuck yourself and stop endangering other ppl's children  vmad.gif
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Someone butthurt much? rolleyes.gif whistling.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(dregatar @ Oct 6 2015, 11:27 PM)
18 pages and ur only strong argument is the incidence of polio??

because some ppl can get polio because some of them become paralysis and because some die we as a community
should be vaccinated disregarding the number since there is a vaccine for it

majority of polio infected ppl have none / few synstomps only unlike TB.
u will never know if the bangla serving ur food at the restaurant is a polio carrier or not.
hopefully one day polio will be eradicated then i would agree with u to stop polio vaccination.
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some people just do not understand that. they fail to understand polio vaccination should be stopped only if polio is eradicated in the world. instead they go about easier to get into car accident than contracting polio doh.gif


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post Oct 6 2015, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(dregatar @ Oct 6 2015, 11:35 PM)
350000 is an estimated number developed from survey on unreported cases
same like recent Ebola outbreak
there was a reported number and there was a estimated number.
just because some fanatic found out coincidentally it is  10 fold does not make WHO a bunch of liars
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If you can tell me how the WHO arrived at the number then I will acknowledge it. But until then, I will stick with the position that WHO is fabricating the number without basis. nod.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 11:38 PM)
If you can tell me how the WHO arrived at the number then I will acknowledge it. But until then, I will stick with the position that WHO is fabricating the number without basis.  nod.gif
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SURVEY!! i wrote it clear as day there. it is the principles of epidemiology.
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post Oct 6 2015, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(dregatar @ Oct 6 2015, 11:36 PM)
all the bangla india nepal indons coming to indon how?? u know they are polio free??
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They go indon is not our problem. LEL. I understand what you mean. But thats not stopping me from not vaccinating. nod.gif

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