Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

4 Pages < 1 2 3 4 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Industrial Training Problem

views
     
ben83
post Nov 20 2006, 05:24 PM

IT & GADGETS ELITE SPECIALIST
******
Senior Member
1,602 posts

Joined: May 2006
Please do consult a lawyer or the labour department for more information. If I'm not wrong, such agreement cannot be enforced on the court. This is the same goes to when a company prohibits (stated in the agreement or appointment letter) you to join another competitor's company. Although you signed it but it cannot be enforced according to the law, therefore no action can be taken on you.
Vinci777
post Nov 20 2006, 05:45 PM

No Title
******
Senior Member
1,616 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
huh? sad for u...
but how come as a industrial trainee u still need to pay rm3k if u quit?
But for most big companies... u normally cant get what u wish to do...they may feel its risky to give the work to an industrial trainee so they normally would ask u to assist some1....
but as u said carry stuff and dirty work...its more like a office boy..btw..do u get any pay?
patt_sue
post Nov 20 2006, 06:02 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
867 posts

Joined: Feb 2005


QUOTE(curlyfries @ Nov 20 2006, 01:51 PM)
no point, both supervisor / boss don't care.insist that i stay or PAY.

which is why i am eager to know if there's any way out.

1st few weeks? It has been more than 1 month.Basically I am a general worker.
Carrying heavy boxes, cleaning up the office, toilet are some of my daily tasks.
*
cleaning up the toilet ......hmmm
have u ever done any work that related to your IT.....

i think you better consult your lecturer...
xcrue
post Nov 20 2006, 06:04 PM

xcrue
*******
Senior Member
2,150 posts

Joined: Jan 2003

no way cleaning up toilet in ur training period,this is so insulting.if me ill resign asap
Seventh7
post Nov 20 2006, 08:18 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,490 posts

Joined: Sep 2004

dude, repor this to your uni supervisor..and let them see what can be done..
TScurlyfries
post Nov 20 2006, 09:17 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


thanks for your reply guys

here's what the letter says

[b]we are please to offer to you to have the industrial training with XXX Sdn Bhd commencing XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/XXXX

during the duration of this industrial training, XXX Sdn Bhd will offer you an opportunity to learn the technical aspects of networking as well as security related products in the company.and we will also offer you an allowance of rm300 per month for the training to be held with XXX Sdn Bhd.

please note that by your acceptance of this training, you will be required to report to work on the agreed date.in view of the training that will be provided, you will be required to work for a minimum of X months from the commencement of the training with XXX Sdn Bhd.in the event that you breach this agreement, you shall be liable to pay XXX Sdn Bhd damages in the sum equivalent to RM3,000 (three thousand ringgit)[cool.gif

This post has been edited by curlyfries: Nov 20 2006, 09:25 PM
TScurlyfries
post Nov 20 2006, 09:18 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


QUOTE(ben83 @ Nov 20 2006, 05:24 PM)
Please do consult a lawyer or the labour department for more information. If I'm not wrong, such agreement cannot be enforced on the court. This is the same goes to when a company prohibits (stated in the agreement or appointment letter) you to join another competitor's company. Although you signed it but it cannot be enforced according to the law, therefore no action can be taken on you.
*
ben83,

how sure are you? if thats the case, what's the use of signing a so-called agreement?

i do hope what you say is true
TScurlyfries
post Nov 20 2006, 09:24 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 20 2006, 05:45 PM)
huh? sad for u...
but how come as a industrial trainee u still need to pay rm3k if u quit?
But for most big companies... u normally cant get what u wish to do...they may feel its risky to give the work to an industrial trainee so they normally would ask u to assist some1....
but as u said carry stuff and dirty work...its more like a office boy..btw..do u get any pay?
*
that's because i was too foolish to sign the stupid agreement sad.gif


TScurlyfries
post Nov 20 2006, 09:24 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


QUOTE(Seventh7 @ Nov 20 2006, 08:18 PM)
dude, repor this to your uni supervisor..and let them see what can be done..
*
can't do much.like i said, its between me as an individual and the company
wodenus
post Nov 20 2006, 09:26 PM

Tree Octopus
********
All Stars
14,990 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(curlyfries @ Nov 20 2006, 09:17 PM)
thanks for your reply guys

here's what the letter says

[b]we are please to offer to you to have the industrial training with XXX Sdn Bhd commencing XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/XXXX

during the duration of this industrial training, XXX Sdn Bhd will offer you an opportunity to learn the technical aspects of networking as well as security related products in the company.and we will also offer you an allowance of rm300 per month for the training to be held with XXX Sdn Bhd.
Seems to me they've already breached the agreement by not offering you "an opportunity to learn the technical aspects of networking as well as security related products in the company."

Since this wasn't done, it's clear that they haven't kept their part of the bargain.

This post has been edited by wodenus: Nov 20 2006, 09:27 PM
SUSHee
post Nov 20 2006, 09:38 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
84 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: ملاك


how many month u train there? 2 month? 3 month? or 6 month?
TScurlyfries
post Nov 20 2006, 10:13 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


QUOTE(wodenus @ Nov 20 2006, 09:26 PM)
Seems to me they've already breached the agreement by not offering you "an opportunity to learn the technical aspects of networking as well as security related products in the company."

Since this wasn't done, it's clear that they haven't kept their part of the bargain.
*
good point.how am i suppose to prove that anyways?

can i just leave like that?
zepple
post Nov 20 2006, 10:20 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
135 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
hmm i wonder why your lecturer dun wanna help you..supervisors should supervise their students, making sure that they get proper training whatsoever..will ur lecturer come and visit you at the end of your training?
TScurlyfries
post Nov 20 2006, 10:25 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


nothing much to be done because I was the one who signed the document.

supervisor tried talking to the company.they refuse and deny all allegations.hence i have no choice but to continue
vicgray
post Nov 20 2006, 11:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
281 posts

Joined: May 2005
QUOTE(curlyfries @ Nov 20 2006, 09:17 PM)
thanks for your reply guys

here's what the letter says

we are please to offer to you to have the industrial training with XXX Sdn Bhd commencing XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/XXXX

during the duration of this industrial training, XXX Sdn Bhd will offer you an opportunity [B]to learn the technical aspects of networking as well as security related products in the company
.and we will also offer you an allowance of rm300 per month for the training to be held with XXX Sdn Bhd.

please note that by your acceptance of this training, you will be required to report to work on the agreed date.in view of the training that will be provided, you will be required to work for a minimum of X months from the commencement of the training with XXX Sdn Bhd.in the event that you breach this agreement, you shall be liable to pay XXX Sdn Bhd damages in the sum equivalent to RM3,000 (three thousand ringgit)[cool.gif
*
Nope, they breach the contract. Take a look at the bold sentence that I highlighted.

There is no such thing that I heard of by signing agreement this and that during internship. Here's what I can suggest you to do:

1. Consult your uni's industrial training supervisor. Don't assume they can't help if you have not tried. They are usually a strong team to protect students from being treated unfairly. Consult them if you could switch company immediately. You need to get a company to accept you though.

2. Next, consult a lawyer. (Please PM me, I can get someone to help you) Agreement is not simply made. They breach the contract because they are not providing you the stated training. You don't need to bring this to court, they won't waste money and time on an intern.

3. Stand firm and don't be freaked out. Though they make it as you are tied by the contract, but they are just thinking that you know nothing.

It may be your mistake to sign a so-called agreement, but I believe it is a good experience to learn. Don't worry. There is always a way out.

I will be having my internship in December too, and am looking forward to it.
xcrue
post Nov 20 2006, 11:18 PM

xcrue
*******
Senior Member
2,150 posts

Joined: Jan 2003

is cleaning toilet 1 of ur duties in the contract?
else u can argue with it!
mandelism
post Nov 20 2006, 11:19 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
129 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: tronoh, mars



sigh2..just quit..u dunt have to worru coz ceratin one-sided agreements are not valid in court

just get out..tell ur supervisor/lecturer first..then move out
Vinci777
post Nov 20 2006, 11:54 PM

No Title
******
Senior Member
1,616 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
well...cleaning thing i dont think is something related to networking..swt
Get advise from ur lecturer and see what he/she can do for...

Below are crap suggestion :

If condition gets worst, maybe u can force them to sack u out...but u'll jus fail ur industrial training... Well..dats the worst part.. The aggrement says dat u need to work from xxx to xxx... If u resign u need to pay rm3k.. i dont think it illegible too if they Sack u...
TScurlyfries
post Nov 21 2006, 12:54 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


QUOTE(mandelism @ Nov 20 2006, 11:19 PM)
sigh2..just quit..u dunt have to worru coz ceratin one-sided agreements are not valid in court

just get out..tell ur supervisor/lecturer first..then move out
*
what do you mean one-sided agreement ?
TScurlyfries
post Nov 21 2006, 12:55 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
401 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
From: Petaling Jaya


QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 20 2006, 11:54 PM)
well...cleaning thing i dont think is something related to networking..swt
Get advise from ur lecturer and see what he/she can do for...

Below are crap suggestion :

If condition gets worst, maybe u can force them to sack u out...but u'll jus fail ur industrial training... Well..dats the worst part.. The aggrement says dat u need to work from xxx to xxx... If u resign u need to pay rm3k.. i dont think it illegible too if they Sack u...
*
if i get sack, will i be asked to pay the rm3000 ?

4 Pages < 1 2 3 4 >Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0153sec    0.54    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 24th December 2025 - 08:02 PM