ic ic...
i actually got 12.6k at 4.9ghz.. 5ghz is unstable hence da result always varies

wei.. they all lucky.. cause temp etc... high chance u getting getting some power bleed above 80 which affects stability.. seen it even on x299 cpus...
above 80+.. u have issues..

but so far havent seen a proper stable 5ghz 9900k with 4+k ram...
aka rb 2.43 8 hours, 2.56 8 hours, hci memtest 1000%, gsat 2 hours

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Jan 2 2019, 11:50 PM

i would wait...

ure just seeing da end of life of skylake pcs...

the new IPC from intel especially da 2nd gen of dat should slaughter everything we know now.

da current gen.. is a sham.
its still based on a 6th gen skylake. improvement has been clockspeed, few more pcie lane on pch chipset, usb 3.1, and finally 9900k optimization for meltdown/specter.. but da cpu single thread clock to clock about the same...

the next gen we been looking at dmi 4.0, intel says double the instruction per cycle etc.. so...

gila punya orang 1.55v

hmmmm. betcha compensating for something..

oh well when dmi 4.0 mobo come out will go with z470-z490

loadline differs on every cpu.
some requires more some requires less .

whats the cpu and mobo

from info
MY all da ROG boards available.. EXTREME, FORMULA, HERO.. and some APEX boards...

THe issue now is the ETA on the 10900k or KF...

sorry no apex board...

extreme, formula, hero, Strix E/G, TUG PLus, Prime Plus, Creator 10g..

err apex should be same as hero no..?? 🤔so most of da pricing will be mrsp usd x 4.3+gst + another rm50-150

hero vs formula.
is that extra two phase going to matter in this country climate ..
and seeing that the extreme has a fan mount for the vrm which is same as formula.. so means formula needs active cooling aka water.. ??
what i dont like about da formula is limited pcie 1x/4x slots.. cause i tend to use soundcard/sata card/extra nic etc.. also hero based on website spec.. theres a switch for the two of the m.2 whether u want from pch or cpu..

also will asus purposely nerf hero or even formula bios in favor for extreme/apex.. they done this in the past for memory training etc..

for retailers.. u buy mobo now in advance.. if da cpu u want comes only later in limited quantities.. then they say only bundled with mobo or full system.. (i expect the former).. then how?? all holding shiny new z490 preorder and cant even get the cpu..

only reason i am looking at intel cause lazy to reinstall windows since using intel raid...

cpu pricing i dont think will be crazy.. fence sitters will just shift to amd if intel cpus are priced aggressively.

also da rumour mill the z490 chipset can support pcie 4.0.. sure or not.. amd has to die fab the thing smaller.. uses more power.. and pch gets hot and needs active cooling..

my wc cooling in this country on moderate ac.. can handle 300w of cooling for cpu provided the die/ihs is big enough to transfer the heat.. 10900k i am very curious on this aspect
no ac .. all arnd 1.25v
8700k 5ghz 70s.. delid
9900k 5ghz 80s.. delid
10900k 5ghz 90??? skylake architecture tends to have leakage above 80.. so overvolt might be neccessary for long term but there is a fine tuning between vcssa/vccio for this also..

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 11 2020, 08:49 PM

Actually no.
Navi high chance will require pcie 4.0 and if ampere specs are true.. they might go pcie 4.0..
Amd current cpu ipc has a 10-15% lead (3950x ipc is faster than 3700x cause of cache etc and how infinity fab works with ram)... thats y u see a single threaded 5ghz 9900k almost equal to a 4.5ghz 3950k in cinebench..

Its reason for loss in gaming is because of latency via its infinity fabric.. but its been getting better and better since 1st gen ryzen.

But y multi core important. I record my video in 4:4:4 and frequently upload/dowload max 200/800 mbps.. on my 10900x just doing this can use up 20% of my cores and with the record and playing vermintide.. it can hit 70%..Sometimes theres remuxing/audio with unrars going on the background from rared tvshows/movies to transfer to my plex via network.. this already hitting 1gbps.. and makes cpu load even higher. ..

So amd 3900x/3950x should be superb on this. The reason atm is the cost of those mobos put alot of ppl off. But if intel think they can price z490 like x570 and have a lack of supply for 10900k.. theres gonna be more ppl buying into amd.

Ram overclocking is a few weeks/months phase. Most ppl dont care.

Look at this vid


So the review boards for 10900k is the m12e and gay Extreme Ultra. Both cost more than the cpu. Its beginning to show that this cpu oc needs a crazy vrm..
Also they didnt ship out any i7 as thats just a 9900k..so that means even on oc wont differ much.. so that kindda gives you a preview of 10900k binning.. its not that much of a diff ..

These are already signs.

Also here are dumbest youtubers who know shit about intel cpu and benching


Y is he a dumb ass. A 9900k 5ghz is arnd 2200. Cinebench scales very good on intel skylake and current 2nd gen amd.
So a 5ghz 10900k is arnd 2750 and each .1 increase is arnd 60 depending on mem bandwidth/latency. 10900k has higher bandwidth and more cores so should be arnd 75-80 so 3k cinebench about correct for 5.4ghz So no idea y this dumbass is disappointed. Its EXACTLY as expected.
What i am curious is that 23xx score. Its not 4.8ghz all core. If was to guess its arnd 4.4-4.5ghz.. and thats about right to comply to a 125w tdp...

Y isnt intel going head to head with amd on cores with multi die.
Intel beliefs in all core one die. Amd took a gamble with first gen ryzen with infinity fab and its paying off big time. They are doing smaller fabs on the die fab but bigger nm fab on the infinity fab.
Alderlake suppose to counter this with 8 main + 8atom cores. However i think the single threaded ipc gains cant compete with ryzen or even sub skylakes like 9900k/10900k .. so thats y u see a sudden mesh architecture for x299 for work/productivity and z series for gaming etc.
seems like being no 1 for gaming is a must for intel. So until they get the clocks up on alderlake.. wont be seeing any fight. Also afaik these uses lga 1700.. so again z490 aint gonna last.

Ram oc.. ddr5 incoming with two stages clocks... so

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 11 2020, 11:49 PM

10900k .. buying or not buying atm is all depends on the mobo price.

Msi shared some binning results. Apparently is 1 out of 3 chance approximately u get a better than spec, spec and below spec. I am assuming they are talking about the all core 4.8ghz/5.3ghz thermal velocity all core boost..
1.2v the avg for 5ghz..

Power/heat 4.8 its already 23xwatts.. in this country thats a bye bye aio. U need a ac and custom wc already.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 12 2020, 02:56 PM

edit.. hmm heard open test bench dat 10900k with aio 240 can do 5.1ghz...on a strix.. so u all know who it is..

hmm maybe a hero can handle this.. so wondering now about formula..

also ekwb launched a crazy terminal thing to join its velocity block to the vrm ports .. via bridge..
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop/momentum-vrm-bridge/

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 13 2020, 11:30 AM

oh that one we know why cause that dimm m.2 uses pcie 3.0 atm one from pch and another from the cpu.. so the cpu will lose out on the pcie 16x for gpu
so not surprising it can do pcie 4.0. think it was kit guru or oc3d that mention the pcie 3.0 from cpu...

but the issue for next gen is.. whats the point the dmi will will be 3.0 and the chipset all will be 3.0..

this upgrade part i think no point as we all know what happen with sandy bridge before vs ivy bridge...
z490 nobody gonna use the next gen cpu on this and always intel will optimize some power config that will force u to buy the next chipset...




1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*3
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*4
1 x M.2_3 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)


1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*4
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*5
1 x M.2_3 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*6


1 x ROG DIMM.2 Module supports 2 M.2 Socket 3 , with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*2
Intel® Z490 Chipset :
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280 (PCIE 3.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support*3
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)


and ahem dat 5.1ghz reference was about ahem that pic... that person claimed.. p95 26.6

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 16 2020, 12:31 AM

All the manuals for msi and asus are up..


Hmm atm formula looks better .. can run
Two nvme 4x + optane (2x) + soundcard +2hdd

Hero a bit vague atm.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 16 2020, 11:21 AM

Get the ram speed stable with the vcssa/vccio. Then only tweak the main timings with slight adjustment on vcssa/vccio. Also at this point u can gauge main vs secondary timings diff (tref.. trfc.. tfaw)

Vcssa/vccio voltages can affect cpu/ucore voltage vice/versa.

What affects vcssa/vccio is related to rtl/iol pairing with tcl/twcl pairing.

Cl17-17-17-37 Binned bdies dont do well on cl19 .. because of twcl.. they fab cl17 to cl 14.. cl18 is somewhat passable.

My experience in giga master z390 board. Dont always use that relax memory training preset.. it actually makes things worse .. try diff training preset..

Another note. Found this today
Ignore the 3900x ..



So is that a oced or stock velocity all core boost 4.9ghz@1.25v. But the temps look pretty damn good for vietnam.
Dat cpu should be able to do 5.1 easy.


Intel has done some optimization here..



This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 17 2020, 11:36 PM

https://idealtech.com.my/2020/05/11/malaysi...got-it-first-2/

Abit nutty eh this reviewer

His ran high ram clock tight timings for ryzen with high flck
But the 10900k only 4kc18 with probably stock uncore (4.3).. suprised he didnt do 4400c18 with uncore 4.9ghz
To make the imc pushing part more or less at peak for both intel and amd.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 18 2020, 08:23 PM

i wonder.. is it because of the insane phase/vrm config atm that contributing to super stable power delivery by distributing the heat...

ASUS
EXTREME 16x90A
FORMULA/APEX 16x70A
HERO 14+2 x 60A
STRIX 14+2 x 50A

MSI GODLIKE 16+1 x 90A
MSI ACE 16 + 1 x 90A
MSI UNIFY 16 x 90A
MSI UNIFY ITX 8 x 90A

GIGA EXTREME/WATERFORCE/MASTER - 16 x 90A
GIGA MASTER - 14 x 90A
GIGA AUROUS ULTRA - 12 x 55A

ASROCK Taichi 12+3 x 50A

the numbers are just nuts... for a possible 300w cpu.
some of the vrm/phases are like those on the refreshed x299 / TRX4

MSI going all out with 90Amps

just for comparison
the z390 formula hd like 8+2 phase 50A....


This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 19 2020, 09:14 PM