Windows 10 running on my laptop. 2.16GHz 4GB RAM. I can feel it becomes slower than Win 8. I only do typing and surfing stuff.
Do you think windows 10 a bit heavy?
Do you think windows 10 a bit heavy?
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Aug 13 2015, 07:58 PM, updated 11y ago
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Windows 10 running on my laptop. 2.16GHz 4GB RAM. I can feel it becomes slower than Win 8. I only do typing and surfing stuff.
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Aug 13 2015, 10:12 PM
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from win7 to win10, I feel boot up fast and shut down too, other than that still same
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Aug 13 2015, 10:24 PM
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It has been proven that it can run on 12 years old AMD CPU on 256MB RAM.
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/ope...e-proof-1288287 So whatever heaviness you're experiencing might not be the Windows, but your own system. 1. Check the task manager what process is hogging what resources. It could be either memory, disk or CPU. Most of the time it is the indexing services reading your disks hogging the CPU and HDD bandwidth causing the slowness. 2. If you do upgrade, you might want to check all drivers and update them to Windows 10 version of the driver. Some driver does cause issues like Killer NIC causing memory leak without the Windows 10 driver. 3. If you do upgrade, you might want to do clean installation. Historically, Windows always have some sort of error when people do upgrade. Despite Windows 10 is the cleanest I've ever experience, a clean install might help your issue. |
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Aug 13 2015, 10:28 PM
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clean install to make it fast.
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Aug 14 2015, 12:06 AM
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Aug 14 2015, 09:18 AM
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Upgraded from win7 home to win10 home
Mine is 2011 year laptop, intel sandy bridge So far boot up and shutdown faster than previous win7 |
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Aug 14 2015, 09:54 AM
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Aug 14 2015, 05:03 PM
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Aug 14 2015, 05:06 PM
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Aug 14 2015, 08:07 PM
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Yes, windows 10 is heavy, 10kg heavier. 😛
Jokes aside, I do feel the same after upgrading/clean install from windows 8.1. My wife who was on windows 7 say windows 10 is faster. |
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Aug 14 2015, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(SushiBurgerX @ Aug 14 2015, 05:06 PM) Performance mode only increase brightness and graphic I think.QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Aug 14 2015, 08:07 PM) Yes, windows 10 is heavy, 10kg heavier. 😛 Faster in booting. But I don't really mind a bit longer booting. But my Windows 10 click start menu also a bit lag.Jokes aside, I do feel the same after upgrading/clean install from windows 8.1. My wife who was on windows 7 say windows 10 is faster. |
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Aug 14 2015, 09:51 PM
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Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 on both my desktop and laptop
didnt experience this problem, both get faster boot speed.. |
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Very high disk usage after upgraded from win8.1 to win10. Boot up time longer, always feel laggy, haven't tried any games.
running on i5-5200U with 8GB RAM |
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QUOTE(Federer @ Aug 14 2015, 09:49 PM) Performance mode only increase brightness and graphic I think. Wrong. Power Saving mode will throttle your CPU and even switch to internal GPU (if you have both internal and external gpu).Faster in booting. But I don't really mind a bit longer booting. But my Windows 10 click start menu also a bit lag. |
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QUOTE(mrl @ Aug 13 2015, 10:24 PM) It has been proven that it can run on 12 years old AMD CPU on 256MB RAM. +1http://www.techradar.com/news/software/ope...e-proof-1288287 So whatever heaviness you're experiencing might not be the Windows, but your own system. 1. Check the task manager what process is hogging what resources. It could be either memory, disk or CPU. Most of the time it is the indexing services reading your disks hogging the CPU and HDD bandwidth causing the slowness. 2. If you do upgrade, you might want to check all drivers and update them to Windows 10 version of the driver. Some driver does cause issues like Killer NIC causing memory leak without the Windows 10 driver. 3. If you do upgrade, you might want to do clean installation. Historically, Windows always have some sort of error when people do upgrade. Despite Windows 10 is the cleanest I've ever experience, a clean install might help your issue. heck my win10 also can can handle my 2gb old pc without lag |
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QUOTE(mrl @ Aug 13 2015, 10:24 PM) -snip- ... Anyway, no "heavy" problem on my main machine (i5 Sandy Bridge) with SSD. 20 sec boot. Nah, even my several years old W7 don't runs "heavy" on SSD anyway. If you're still on traditional HDD, check for health status with Crystal Disk Info, see if your HDD acting up, bad sector, reading error, etc. And yes I also recommend clean install at the end. After upgrade, fetch your free key, format, re-install with ISO. Yea it's kinda annoying process but... I bet large majority of the problems people talked on the Internet usually comes from the "upgrade", either inherited problem or problems created after migration. |
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not really, i think it perform quite well compared to windows 8. mayb you can try reset or clean install to see if the issue still persist. Most important, make sure your driver is updated and compatible with windows 10.
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QUOTE(xonedl @ Aug 17 2015, 05:27 PM) 1. Early driver version issue. Not to mention AMD/ATI nowadays is really famous with their slow driver update. 2. Early build issue. I've experienced this with my GTX680 on Win8 preview previously. It certainly could be coming from early driver bugs as well but never take early preview build as an indicator for final build because the whole system (OS and drivers themselves) are not mature enough. 3. Your system itself. SDRAM is pretty old... A lot older compared to first gen DDR (while DDR is technically an SDRAM, I'm assuming it is SDR SDRAM and not DDR). I would imagine the CPU your system running on is a lot less capable compared to the one that the author of the article use. But again, we also need to admit that the PC in the article doesn't run with good performance as well at 256MB. While it booted up fine, it took 41sec to open file explorer. I would really love to try Win10 on an old PC just for the sake of reviewing the experience, but I don't have a working old PC... |
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Aug 18 2015, 09:02 PM
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I find booting and shutting down significantly faster
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Aug 22 2015, 10:47 AM
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using ssd will be super... use normal ide sata... stick to windows 7
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Aug 26 2015, 10:40 AM
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nope for me
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Aug 26 2015, 03:15 PM
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I don't think soo. But this window is faster than window 7 and 8
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Aug 26 2015, 10:07 PM
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I update my windows 7 to windows 10 yesterday haven't feel anything its just normal on the speed. But in the interface not so use to it and try to learn as of now.
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Sep 7 2015, 07:43 AM
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i prefer win10 from win7 because its feel more smooth on my machine..i using laptop dell vostro 5470.
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Sep 12 2015, 11:14 AM
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According to Microsoft, Windows 10 is lighter than Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 is lighter than Windows 7.
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Sep 22 2015, 10:36 AM
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windows 10 is pretty stable .. my cpu max up issue cleared after running wins10
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Sep 22 2015, 11:05 AM
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Duno why, my pc ran into problems and require restart after updated to win 10 . I encountered this several times after uodatedw to win10
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Sep 22 2015, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(biloxee @ Aug 14 2015, 12:06 AM) Win 10 is slow in booting. OMG. Clean install also still need 1 min+ to boot into Desktop. WTF! but my one is damn fast.my laptop around 30 second. on HDD by the way good enough for me my desktop with SSD around 10 second I believe. |
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QUOTE(delsoo @ Sep 5 2015, 04:03 PM) Did you turn on fast startup? (should be on by default, but your installation have screwed up something)http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fa...ndows-10-a.html My 5 year old Alienware M11x-R2 taking ~30-45 seconds for boot up which is impressive considering it takes 2 minutes to boot up Win 7. (also check your startup tab in your task manager and clean it up.. ) This post has been edited by martianunlimited: Sep 22 2015, 11:52 AM |
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Sep 22 2015, 05:37 PM
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Overall i tried win10 is better than win8.1 ,but boot time is some delay there..even i format whole HDD and install OS also same problem lolz.
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Sep 23 2015, 06:04 PM
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Im installing on my new dell 7447. Slow startup too
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Sep 23 2015, 06:42 PM
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I used win 10 for about 3 days.....but the thing is i dont have ms office....even i want to download from ms office ...education which is for student....i cant download it...dunno why....im using the given link from uni ....which we are already paid in the tuition fees...any suggestion anyone? Im sorry if out of the topic...hehe...btw can i used crack one ms office? Does it works?
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Sep 24 2015, 01:57 AM
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I use Avast clean up or whatever it is called, now a bit faster. Yeah maybe upgrade from Win 8 gives some problems.
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Sep 24 2015, 08:00 AM
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hmm don't like this Windows 10, just now do 1 download and watch some movie, it hangs! damn, well although startup and shutdown is fast, but getting use to the new stuffs are taking time.
think i'll downgrade back to windows 7, at least will be more efficient than just a faster startup and shutdown |
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Oct 11 2015, 04:29 PM
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for those who facing lagging while using win10, seeing memory usage 3g instead of 8g installed ram.(5g reserve example) do this step
win key+R>type msconfig>click ok> select boot tab> advance options > unchecked maximum memory box> restart done! |
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Nov 1 2015, 11:35 PM
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Heavy? Hmm ... I think it's lighter
Back then when I was using Windows 8.1, startup took about 3 minutes before my PC is fully usable without hangs loads and stuff. It only takes around 1 and a half minute for my Windows 10. So it's faster ^^ It could be faster, because there's some period of the boot showing a black screen after the logon logo. I did some research and found that I'm not the only one who have this problem. I knew it'll probably slow down my PC if I did an upgrade with ton of stuff in my PC. So, I did format and uninstalled bloatware before upgrading. Up until now, it's running smoothly. But I still prefer Aeroglass theme ^^ |
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QUOTE(kukies @ Oct 11 2015, 05:29 PM) for those who facing lagging while using win10, seeing memory usage 3g instead of 8g installed ram.(5g reserve example) do this step I found this tips somewhere via google search XDwin key+R>type msconfig>click ok> select boot tab> advance options > unchecked maximum memory box> restart done! very useful, indeed |
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It was a bit faster booting and shutting on my pc with ssd but slower than previous o/s on another pc without. |
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Faster than my win8.1 though
But in term of file transferring, I feel it consume too much resource though Whenever I transfer a lot of files, my PC tends to response slower in other application |
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Nov 10 2015, 02:42 PM
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soo far my windows 10 pro excel on eveything on my last windows 8.1 and 7
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I feel boot up and shut down faster than win 8 and win 7, other than that still same
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btw wat will happen to my steam game and some program after free upgrade from win 7 ultimate?need to reinstall?
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QUOTE(amitycox @ May 9 2016, 11:44 AM) Agreed with u...nowadays is different.,more ram is better...especially for those hardcore user...hihi Well yeah but it's not about hardcore or not hehe first of all new laptops come with 64bit os. Secondly these days apps use ram to improve user experience. However a better upgrade is to replace hdd with ssd as boot drive. There is a big dfference between the same machine that runs hdd and ssd as os drive. |
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QUOTE(Mr.7 @ May 9 2016, 12:20 PM) No need , all user data and program is still there. However if the software is not supported by windows 10 you need to reinstall. if i want to make a bootable usb..how do i do that?i aready dl the microsoft media creation tool.so now need to wait the download files 1st rite? |
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QUOTE(tlts @ May 9 2016, 12:51 PM) if i want to make a bootable usb..how do i do that?i aready dl the microsoft media creation tool.so now need to wait the download files 1st rite? Here . Pls make sure you have minimum 8GB of pendrive as well and yeah, need to download the .iso from windows. |
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QUOTE(tlts @ May 9 2016, 12:51 PM) if i want to make a bootable usb..how do i do that?i aready dl the microsoft media creation tool.so now need to wait the download files 1st rite? Yeah..when you run that microsoft media creation tool it'll auto download the iso file direct from microsoft...but it'll take aquite few times to finished...huhu4gb pendrive is enough...,but rarely found 4gb pendrive lately...huhu This post has been edited by amitycox: May 9 2016, 04:43 PM |
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QUOTE(horns @ May 9 2016, 12:20 PM) Well yeah but it's not about hardcore or not hehe first of all new laptops come with 64bit os. Secondly these days apps use ram to improve user experience. Yeah..my laptop also comes with 64-bit W7 home premium when i bought it in 2010...but i change it to W7 ultimate,better to me & now just got into W10..heheHowever a better upgrade is to replace hdd with ssd as boot drive. There is a big dfference between the same machine that runs hdd and ssd as os drive. But RAM is still not upgraded till now...huhu... Is laptop with hdd can use ssd as the boot drive..? Does it just plug n play or need some adjustment to change hdd to ssd? (sorry..,a little noob in this..huhu) This post has been edited by amitycox: May 9 2016, 04:49 PM |
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May 9 2016, 04:43 PM
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yes, i feel this too.
win10 is much heavier than win8.1. but still better thab win7/8 in overall. |
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QUOTE(amitycox @ May 9 2016, 04:39 PM) Yeah..my laptop also comes with 64-bit W7 home premium when i bought it in 2010...but i change it to W7 ultimate,better to me & now just got into W10..hehe yes you can use ssd as boot drive in laptops. after w10 upgrade, you can just remove the hdd os partition and do a clean install of w10 on ssd. But RAM is still not upgraded till now...huhu... Is laptop with hdd can use ssd as the boot drive..? Does it just plug n play or need some adjustment to change hdd to ssd? (sorry..,a little noob in this..huhu) for w10, always grab the latest version using media creation tool to do this, because if you used the older ones (like 10240 build), you will need to go through upgrade to 10586 build, then apply latest patches. |
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im on windows 10 , but i still think that windows 8.1 i prefer most , 10 bugs here and there , argh now im used to it , lol
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QUOTE(Mr.7 @ May 9 2016, 12:55 PM) Here . Pls make sure you have minimum 8GB of pendrive as well and yeah, need to download the .iso from windows. can i dl windows 10 64bit pro from torrent to make the bootable usb or need microsoft file...btw can u give me the link to dl from microsoft link 64bit windows10 proty in advance |
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QUOTE(Mr.7 @ May 9 2016, 06:55 PM) yacan ahem 1 be use as bootable usb? if not then can giv me the ori microsoft link to dl? can download here? http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9230-wi...o-download.html just wan to make a bootable usb iso,for future refference This post has been edited by tlts: May 9 2016, 07:03 PM |
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QUOTE(horns @ May 9 2016, 05:06 PM) yes you can use ssd as boot drive in laptops. after w10 upgrade, you can just remove the hdd os partition and do a clean install of w10 on ssd. Okey..,Thanks for the info...for w10, always grab the latest version using media creation tool to do this, because if you used the older ones (like 10240 build), you will need to go through upgrade to 10586 build, then apply latest patches. |
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QUOTE(tlts @ May 9 2016, 06:57 PM) ya yes, those links are valid ms download pages. you can just grab one from microsoft techbench if you don't wanna use media creation tool, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbenchcan ahem 1 be use as bootable usb? if not then can giv me the ori microsoft link to dl? can download here? http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9230-wi...o-download.html just wan to make a bootable usb iso,for future refference for uefi-enabled computers, you can just format your usb stick with fat32 (preferable capacity is 8gb), and extract contents of the iso with 7zip or winrar directly into the usb stick to make a bootable usb installer for w10. |
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ok.i am on win10 aready.so far.only 1 program not useble only.
lucky game all no problem yet |
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from pirated win7 to ori win 10....thats great.. haha
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I don't know why but after I installed Windows 10 in my 9 month old laptop (Inspiron 7447), it refused to boot up after the 2nd day. I had to go back to my Win 8.1. Maybe after my current project is over, I'll give it another go.
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Windows 10 actually faster then Windows 7 and slightly faster then Windows 8, but if you use normal HDD to install Windows as system drive sure will get slow on boot no matter Windows 7, 8 or 10, use SSD as system drive will no have such problem
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QUOTE(Federer @ Aug 13 2015, 07:58 PM) Windows 10 running on my laptop. 2.16GHz 4GB RAM. I can feel it becomes slower than Win 8. I only do typing and surfing stuff. This problem is not related to Windows 10. The reason is because your harddisk is getting old. The longer time you are running your harddisk, the slower Windows you are using by times. Its time to replace to new SSD. |
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Jul 11 2017, 02:13 PM
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run on windows 10 the best is 8GM, if windows getting slower, suspect are some system files corrupted or virus infection.
if harddisk getting old, you need to run scandisk or defra to check any bad sector. If there is bad sector then you need to change new HDD |
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Jul 12 2017, 03:16 PM
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Win 10 have boot up and shutdown faster than previous win7 or win 8, but it is heavy
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Jul 23 2017, 11:37 PM
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Windows 10 is pretty good never had any problems with the boot up
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Jul 27 2017, 12:13 AM
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29,773 posts Joined: Jan 2009 From: Johor, Malaysia. |
I had install Windows 10 in my home antique PC - Pentium D805 with 3 GB RAM, so far so good. I find it run better than Windows 7.
For testing purpose, I purposely reduce 1 GB and it is not run as better as it shall be. So IMO Windows 10 needs at least 3 GB RAM. This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jul 27 2017, 12:20 AM |
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Aug 27 2017, 07:13 AM
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the more RAM the better, when I had 8GB it will use 5GB, when I added to 16GB it will use 7GB, all running the same applications of Vuze, iTunes, Edge, Outlook, FTP.
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Sep 28 2017, 02:25 PM
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29,773 posts Joined: Jan 2009 From: Johor, Malaysia. |
Windows 10 required SSD to let it run perfectly smooth.
My antique 11 years old PC load insanity fast after I switch to SSD. This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Sep 28 2017, 02:26 PM |
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Oct 8 2017, 10:04 PM
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Good to see the fast boot, W10 is good
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Oct 9 2017, 12:37 PM
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Not really, I'm on SSD
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Oct 11 2017, 02:31 AM
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Oct 11 2017, 07:00 AM
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Oct 12 2017, 02:01 AM
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Oct 13 2017, 08:04 AM
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I got atom powered laptop with 2GB RAM and the ram usage only around 1.1gb when idle with no program running. I feel it's better than win 7 or 8.
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Oct 15 2017, 09:14 PM
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keep it up with Windows 10
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