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post Feb 27 2007, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(wufei @ Feb 27 2007, 09:31 PM)
I think lots of people going to faint.

My Maybank MDTF dropped RM0.0044
hahaha,... 0.0044 is so small already!!!
I was just waiting for you to online man! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Actually funding won't drop much one. I only played moderated risk, high risk ones... me only 17%... tongue.gif Then for shares, ... today is really hurt. sad.gif



cheers,



PS: I read about your other post. laugh.gif But time for me to log off, balik rumah tidur already. Good night! smile.gif

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post Mar 1 2007, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2007, 08:19 AM)
You know; doesn't mean other people are aware of it.

I also don't know till I paid a visit to the website.

wufei is a big shark!!! Of course his news is faster than us... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
Too bad that, Public Ittikal Fund is excluded... drool.gif
Brother, you got any Public/PB funds that you might interested?! unsure.gif

Thanks for your news!!! thumbup.gif

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post Mar 1 2007, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(wufei @ Mar 1 2007, 07:55 PM)
i have PGSF and PFEDF. Now back to red. After 4 months still cant break even. Actually i really doubt on the performance of PM

Might use my ang pow money to go for PFEBF or PBIAEF. not decided yet
Reason : PFEBF too far below launching price
PBIAEF = stable , less service charge, not much movement, not so scary, but earn lesser if the market boom, just like putting in FD

i got different view from yours. Since share is buy low sell high, the same logic applying to funding too. Some more, now Public Mutual is giving offer. It's a plus bonus for people who interested in Funding. wink.gif

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post Mar 4 2007, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(influenza04 @ Mar 4 2007, 05:35 PM)
i invested in this fund "ab fund". anyone heard of it?

http://abfund.biz/

i just invested RM380 which is USD100 and now, i get USD2.50/day. the money runs for 100 days then ur maximum return is USD250. there are alot of other levels for you to join. as you know, all this funds is at your own risk. but to me, i believe in,"no risk, no gain".

e-mail me at

ben32_2002@yahoo.com

if u wanna join this fund@ask for more info. minimum amount is USD20.00. then i'll tell you what u gotta do to join this fund. expect replies within 1 day.

the exchange rate is set at RM3.80/USD1.00 and when u sell it, its at RM3.60/USD1.00
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System Error Message


Task has been done before.
CTR002 : TASK ID - 308992


hmm mm,... How much confidence do you have with this ab fund?!
And after me reading this page.
Thank you, mate. I'm not really interested. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 5 2007, 03:20 PM

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Can consider bond or Capital Guaranteed fund.

2 different bank people have convinced me not to worry. Perhaps me a bit overreacted already... wink.gif
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post Mar 10 2007, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Mar 7 2007, 09:17 PM)
PSBF is Public Select Bond Fund? What's the difference between PSBF and PEBF?

Just some add-on from David83's post,

PEBF is Public enhanced Bond Fund, as at 29th Dec 2006.
Money Market Instruments & Others 22.79%
Equities & Derivatives 18.42%
Fixed Income Securities 58.79%

Total assets by country as at 29 Dec 2006.
China 0.01%
Philippines 0.09%
Singapore 2.58%
Malaysia 97.32%

Top 5 Holdings as at 29 Dec 2006,
Valid Ventures Berhad 8.44%
Public Bank Berhad 5.70%
Malakoff Berhad 4.80%
Special Power Vehicle Berhad 4.41%
Puncak Niaga Holdings Berhad 3.83%

Total return for
6 months is 9.26%
1 year is 10.49%

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PSBF is Public Select Bond Fund, as at 29th Dec 2006.
Money Market Instruments & Others 37.50%
Fixed Income Securities 62.50%

Top 5 Holdings as at 29 Dec 2006,
Diversified Venue Sendirian Berhad 7.22%
Lembaga Kemajuan Perusahaan Pertanian Negeri pahang 7.21%
Special Power Vehicle Berhad 6.79%
Malakoff Berhad 4.07%
RHB Capital Berhad 3.98%

Total return for
6 months is 3.99%
1 year is 5.32%



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See anything good from above?! unsure.gif
Data collected from Public Mutual Funds Quarterly Fund Review. Quarter 4, 2006.
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post Mar 11 2007, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Mar 11 2007, 08:55 AM)
Thanks, edifgrto for your information.

Seemed like PEBF is not bad, as it invest a small portion in asia market...
The 10% annual return looks so attrative smile.gif

Most important is, both of the funds charge 0.25% service charge.

In my humble opinion, I think it's really because of how they invested. As you can see how the 10% return correspondence to equities investment made. It does not meant higher return always the better. PSBF is more safe(or conservative) as comparing to PEBF. Both also good by all means! thumbup.gif

For example, if I want to find one that no equity elements incorporated(to avoid it somehow). I would go for PSBF. wink.gif

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post Mar 12 2007, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Mar 12 2007, 12:02 AM)
I'm always wondering, for this kind of funds such as PEBF, the fund manager have to be very sensitive to the equity market, so that he/she can change the investment strategies from equity to fixed income securities. How fast is their reaction on this?

Normally fund managers would only aiming those companies that big enough for them to invest. Once they invested in any particular company. They never pay attention to them in thinking of selling in short term period. Mostly, the share would stay there for 5 or 6 years(depends on condition of market). Of course, before they invest... homework done is a must. wink.gif

For lesser potential companies(noted: I do not specify which company), they won't mind at all.

hmm mm, to some funds that classified as extremely high risked ones. Actually if you pay attention to some shares from time to time. You would know suddenly got 3k, 5k, 10k lots trade done. So, who are they?! I'm actually try to catch these 3k, 5k shares... tongue.gif

How I know this?! unsure.gif I just playing the guessing game...

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post Mar 13 2007, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(wufei @ Mar 13 2007, 03:13 PM)
Edif, any good fund to recommend?

First of all, it's really depend on mate risk profile...

A bit late already, before the market up again. It's really good timing to enter... Not so sure which one is good? Might consider the moderate/low risked ones. Personally, I still prefer Capital Guaranteed type. Like last few days, the share market crashed until we no eye see, eh? However, one of my capital protected funds NEVER being affected at all(price no changing one, shocking.gif ).

Why capital guaranteed fund?! Because we could do our daily works with no worry. thumbup.gif
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post Mar 14 2007, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(stargate @ Mar 14 2007, 10:52 AM)
What is the typical return rate for capital guarantee fund?

Hi mate, I attached a document related to most capital guaranteed funds in the first post in this thread. Perhaps you can check that out?! wink.gif

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post Mar 16 2007, 07:23 PM

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is the fund manager leveraging?

Not so sure... but they would likely give some form of annual reports of the fund to the investors. To give overall performance review... well, i just kept them in my cupboard. As too many words and figures inside... rclxub.gif

QUOTE(leekk8 @ Mar 16 2007, 12:28 PM)
How can be >100%???? Borrow money to invest?
<0%??? Impossible, right?

Actually when that member mentioning about leveraging?! Me no idea already... is that something related to FOREX stuff? I was like came across such word somehow... Just because of his post, I learnt something new again. thumbup.gif

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post Mar 19 2007, 01:16 PM

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Hi eimira,... good luck!

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Reporting,... tongue.gif

Fund name: PRU Asia Select Income Fund
Date entry 15th December 2005.
Unit price entry: 0.5007
Amount invested RM 1,000.00

Date exit 7th February 2007.
Unit price exit: RM 0.5667

Profit Yield: 13.80%

Total Amount taken back: RM 1,138.00! ^^v rclxm9.gif wub.gif

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QUOTE(wufei @ Mar 19 2007, 02:49 PM)
wow!! nice profit. Any other nice fund.

Today withdraw my PSBF...ending all my investment in unit trust.....

Now wait and see and shop shop around

Since the year 2005 man,... brother. If not over 13%... then me really doh.gif
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Why you withdraw all the funds as at now? drool.gif
You being worry? but how you gonna allocate your $$$ back again? Putting them in FD to play safe? unsure.gif

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post Mar 22 2007, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Mar 22 2007, 05:44 AM)
have any of you guys had any problem selling your fund back. I mean, for instance like the transaction being canceled without any apparent reasons. Or any other reason.

So far,... no such case.

QUOTE(wufei @ Mar 22 2007, 08:27 AM)
No other specific reason.
Just take the profit for those performing and kill off all those not perform
Regroup the fund and reinvest again,

As what i posted in other thread, i can't see the direction of KLCI market so i just play safe after clearing the warehouse (shares) before the big drop.

I read your post there yesterday. But mate, it's better we keep the discussion centralised. sweat.gif

So, now you dun have any funding at all... ?! unsure.gif
hehe, at least wait until the pilihanraya finished mah... tongue.gif

QUOTE(anuarnor @ Mar 22 2007, 09:27 AM)
Thx for the advice. smile.gif

But what I mean is the redemption itself being rejected by the fund company,
which is what happened to me. They claim that they didn't receive the redemption form when in fact that the agent did send it to them.

Hi mate, if I were you. I would cancel all the fund once I knew(and 100% sure) that I did signed the redemption form. Yet the fund manager claimed that never receive. Then, I would go to other fund manager.

Note: posting this, I do not know which fund manager you are engaging with... The reason is, their agent is not professional enough to serve you as the valued customer. wink.gif
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QUOTE(AaronCjS @ Mar 23 2007, 01:32 AM)
Anybody try of the HwangDBS funds? Its performance not bad... i bought its Global Opportunities fund last august during its IPO with the price of 0.5000 and now go up to 0.59! around 15%-20% return rate within half year...

Hi, I got friends with HwangDBS funds. Was told that their Guaranteed funds is performing very well too! Their Cap Guaranteed III get nearly 10% profit yield from Oct 2006 till now. Recently I visited their website. They renovated everything!!! rclxms.gif

Is there any offer during the Global Opportunities launching period?! unsure.gif

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post Mar 26 2007, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Mar 25 2007, 08:12 PM)
Recently I find out this, [CENSORED]. Claimed that they can give 2-3% interest daily...Anybody tried before? Don't know this is another scam or not.

Mate, if 2% per day,...
For example, invested RM 1,000 in day 1.
In day 30(1 month), gain back RM 1,811.36
In day 365(1 year), the amount is RM 1,377,408.29

That means, it promised to give you profit yield of ((1377408.29-1000)/1000)*100 %
i.e. 137,640.83%

Most of our banks' Fixed term annual interest rate is roughly 3.7%.
Calculator won't cheat us... Banks are actual our true friends in such case. wink.gif

PS: correct me if I'm wrong...

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2007, 08:16 PM)
Not sure if here's the correct thread.

Have anybody came across of e-barrel ([censored])? There's a sudden interest in my office. sweat.gif

dot US server one...

Can't access it... although if it's mutual fund related. I dun think I would be interested... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Mar 26 2007, 04:34 PM)
Since that we have many other investors in other funds, we might as well start a monitoring control at end of every month by contributing what is your returns for the 12 months.... that would give everyone a better insight as to what are the performing funds and what is not.. probably we can also group the funds into:

Equity Funds

Bond Funds

Mixed Funds

Money Market Funds

Too bad I am into only Public Mutual.. I hope the rest give their input. That would be great information for us to invest in funds that gives the best returns to our hard earned money.

Good idea... but must be 12 months?! Mine mostly not enough age yet... sweat.gif
So far is

Equity Funds 4.54%
Bond Funds 2.46%
Mixed Funds 2.27%
Money Market Funds 0%
Guaranteed Funds -2.76%

Distribution rate is
Equity Funds 27%
Bond Funds 7%
Mixed Funds 36%
Money Market Funds 0%
Guaranteed Funds 30%
Total 100%

Grengo01, cool... can get over 40%. rclxms.gif

PS: arr,... must state the names? I thought that group them together?! unsure.gif
Only one...
PB Asia Equity Fund till now is 17.81% ...
actually before the disaster,... it's nearly 25%. T.T


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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Mar 26 2007, 05:07 PM)
Names be good.. then we can invest in those funds.

I take one year as it will be a good yardstick to the fund resilience and growth propensity. It does not matter... smile.gif.


Added on March 26, 2007, 5:08 pmI think last year and probably this year would be good years for unit trust... 40% is the benchmark I am looking at... anything less is disaster...


Added on March 26, 2007, 5:13 pmEdit, PB regional funds are not as solid as others like Hwang or CIMB. I pulled out of PFES and PRESEC 6 months ago. I am still monitoring the funds and their returns pale in comparison with PIF which I switched into. Glad I made the switch but darn.. shld have switched earlier.

My funds still very young. All just from -6 to 17% only...
The best is the one I posted above. And the -ve% ones it's either too young or guaranteed type... increasing at very low speed. So that, I can pay more attention to shares. Actually just play-play for fun(for shares)... I dun aim for big gain. Little bit, me already so happy.

40% per year is your benchmark?... cool! Hopefully after one year... my funds are like yours...

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 30 2007, 11:34 AM)
Do this for 10 to 20 years, then it is a big deal.

Dreamer

Hi dreamer101 uncle, can US or any oversea funds last for 10 to 20 years one?! I mean,... like their performance in 20 years time period?

As I know, Some Malaysia funds can have over 10 years if me not mistaken. But the encouraging time for people to keep the fund is only for 1 to 5 years. As for me, i would only do that for 1 to 3 years. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 30 2007, 09:03 PM)
1)  Historically, only one fund that deliver that kind of performance (20+%) for 20 years.  That was the Fidelity Magellan fund when Peter Lynch was the fund manager.  By the way, after Peter Lynch retired, this fund no longer has good performance.

2) IMHO, I do not believe any fund in Malaysia is worth investing in.  The only exception is ASB for the Bumi.

3) People who makes this kind of statement (my fund makes 20% to 30% in 1 1/2 years) are usually a NOOB.  That is the WRONG way to evaluate a fund.  The proper to evaluate the fund si to use how they perform as per benchmark:

For example,
If stock market went up 30%, the fund is doing 20%  -> This is bad
If the stock market went down 10%, the fund is doing -5% -> This is great.
The fund has to do better than the market.  Or else, we should just invest on an index fund.

4) VWELX -> Vanguard Wellington fund started in 1929.  It is still one of the best balanced fund even now.

Dreamer

2) Personally, I no choice. As my knowledge in this field is limited... So far, Malaysia funds still very satisfying me.

3) Well, I have to disagree here. Dun you think it's too fast jumping into conclusion?! Given that one just said,

-my fund makes 20% to 30% in 1 1/2 years(a reality and real life experience. Full stop here)
Just an real life experience sharing.

-my fund would make 20% to 30% in 1 1/2 years(not real yet)
Perhaps a n00b, perhaps not...

Besides, take me as example. I never admitting myself not a n00b, irregardless if anyone calling me?! or I myself denying that I'm always a n00b. Being n00b always need to learn something new! rclxm9.gif

Edited: for the example you gave. It's really making sense. Thank you very much for the sharing. I would keep that in mind. Pin it up... to memorise them...

If stock market went up 30%, the fund is doing 20% -> This is bad
If the stock market went down 10%, the fund is doing -5% -> This is great.
The fund has to do better than the market. Or else, we should just invest on an index fund.




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