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leekk8
post Mar 12 2007, 12:02 AM

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I'm always wondering, for this kind of funds such as PEBF, the fund manager have to be very sensitive to the equity market, so that he/she can change the investment strategies from equity to fixed income securities. How fast is their reaction on this?
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post Mar 16 2007, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(lifeless_creature @ Mar 16 2007, 12:03 AM)
sorry guys, 1 question here regarding fund's equities exposure, can a fund's equity exposure is of >100% ? and its money markets exposure is <0%? I mean can this happen? is the fund manager leveraging?
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How can be >100%???? Borrow money to invest?
<0%??? Impossible, right?
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post Mar 25 2007, 08:12 PM

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Recently I find out this, www.fical.net. Claimed that they can give 2-3% interest daily...Anybody tried before? Don't know this is another scam or not.
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post Apr 17 2007, 01:39 PM

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My opinion, unit trust is different from share, where the up and down won't be so obvious. We should find out which types of funds are suitable for us. Different funds have different methods to decide when to buy or sell or switch.

I think that, when KLCI goes down until the level that you think it's low, you can buy index funds. When KLCI is going up and you think that there should be the peak, then you can buy bond funds. If you think that share market will doing well for the next 3 years, then you can buy equity funds. Nobody will know when exactly is the lowest or highest point in share market. Anyway, unit trust should not cause you bankrupt.
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post Apr 17 2007, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 17 2007, 04:19 PM)
Equity unit trust is as same as the share. They used the fund money to invest into share. Whether  the unit trust NAV move 'big or not is related to its portfolio value.

The movement of unit trust is not so obvious is because of their portfolio which is more diversifed and mainly hold some blue chip (some fund not depends of fund type and its manager strategy). Normally, large cap and blue chip movement not so drastic compared to those 'goreng' and small cap and with diversification, it average up more with lesser movement on its fund performance unless all its portfolio goes up dramatically altogether which seldom happened.
Like even index hitting new high, still some stock like Maybank still doesn't go up.
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That's the thing I want to mention here. Unit trust is different from share in terms of the price movement. Since unit trust is widely diversified, the price won't go up and down as much as share.
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post Apr 18 2007, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 18 2007, 12:39 AM)
There is NO REAL diversification for domestic equity fund.  With 50% of the KLSE owned by GLC or GLIC, one single share holder controls the whole market and is the major share holder for most public listed companies.

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I understand this, but we can't do anything for this. Most of the listed companies in Msia is hold by the government. We're not able to invest oversea market, so still have to struggle in domestic market. The diversification here is in terms of Msia market.
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post Apr 18 2007, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 18 2007, 10:08 AM)
Leekk8,

We can start by NOT lying to ourself that we have diversification in domestic UT.  Since we have NO diversification in domestic UT, UT is not safer than individual blue chip stock.  The rule in oversea about mutual fund / UT is safer than individual stock does NOT WORK in Malaysia.

Why you lie to yourself long enough, you start to believe the lie as opposed to the cold hard truth.  This lie will cost you a lot of money!!!

<<We're not able to invest oversea market>>

That is not true.  You can invest in global UT or open a US stock brokerage A/C and buy ELF.

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UT is not safer than individual blue chip stock??? This is a good point that I should think about.

Dreamer, how about some UT that invest in foreign market? I mean global funds or far east funds, so forth. These funds have diversification?

Anybody also can open US stock account? Anyway, is US market really good compared to others?


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post Apr 20 2007, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 20 2007, 09:07 AM)
Unit trust (equity) is as same as investing in stock market. They used your money to invest in stock market.

I think people have wrong perception it is safer than stock market because 80% of the retailers in KLSE like to buy those 'goreng' stock that's why it is different than unit trust since unit trust managers normally (it depends also) buy those blue chips and more based on fundamental compared to retailers who always like to buy those tips and rumour stock.

If you know how to invest and have sufficient fund to do it yourself, it is much better than unit trust since you don't need to pay 1.5% management fee annual and 5-6% entry charge. If you have discipline and knowledge about the stock market based on fundamental, you can easily also surpass their performance also. Discipline is also a key to success in stock market.
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Good point, cherroy...

Personally, I also think that buying blue chips are better than investing in UT. However, we need much money to buy blue chips. Currently, I'm also saving money to buy blue chips...UT I also invest, but only in bond funds and global funds...
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post Apr 20 2007, 11:28 PM

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There are pros and cons...
Even fund managers are so called professional, I don't think they manage the funds alone. There is committee to decide the portfolio. I feel that you're very confident on the professional fund managers. Anyway, I don't think so. If you look at the history, actually UT in Msia is not performing very well overall. This shows that not many fund managers are really capable to help investor earn money.

For me, UT is good for us to invest in something that normal investor can't invest in, eg bond funds and global funds.
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post Apr 27 2007, 06:22 PM

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Since there is no real diversification in local market, it's better for us to buy global funds...

How about bond funds?
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post Apr 27 2007, 11:24 PM

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For me, I prefer combination of bond funds and equity funds in my portfolio. Bond funds advantage is its low service charge, and normally a bit higher return than FD. It's better than we put our money into FD.

Global funds not performing well? I think this depends...currently msia stock market is going up and up, so maybe the equity funds are performing well currently. Anyway, KLCI won't stay at 1300 forever, and no one knows how long it can stay at this level.

As I understand there're 2 types of global funds. As said by cherroy, normally global funds feed into some foreign funds. As I know, there are also funds that direct invest into foreign stock market. I think we can know this by reading its prospectus.

Dreamer, since bond is something like fixed return, why we need diversification within bonds?
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post Apr 28 2007, 11:17 PM

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Personally thinking that, local fund managers are still inexperience in foreign markets. It's not easy to invest in several foreign markets, as they need a lot of analysts to study and analyze the markets.

So far, I prefer global funds that invest on other foreign funds...until they're experience enough and have sufficient resources. Anyway, invest direct on Asia market like China, Korea...should performs quite well, as these markets are going up like crazy...
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post Apr 29 2007, 10:32 AM

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Agree with both of you...Investing into this kind of crazy market, we need to know when should we get out from the market...and this is not easy...

As for KLSE now, the KLCI is 1300+ and most of the blue chips now are very expensive. Is it worth if we invest now? If not worth, what investment strategies should we use now?
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post May 4 2007, 03:27 PM

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Public Bank is going to launch new funds:
- PB ASEAN Dividend Fund
- PB Islamic Cash Management Fund
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post May 8 2007, 11:45 AM

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Normally high dividend companies are performing well and more stable. So, in long run, I believe high dividend yield share should give high return.
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post May 13 2007, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ May 12 2007, 04:52 PM)
You guys are highlighting dividend shares while I'm more interested in dividend funds ... should the same concept applies?
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In theory, yes...as dividend funds are investing into high dividend yield counters. However, if you are able to choose good high dividend yield share, it's better you invest in stock market directly, as the service charge of mutual funds are 5-7%, and diversification in mutual funds might decrease your returns.
Anyway, you can lower the risk by investing into mutual funds instead of stock.
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post May 14 2007, 10:13 AM

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David83,

If you know about share, sure better you find out which 5 stocks mentioned by dreamer and invest in stock directly.
Only for those who has no single idea about stock, if they want to invest in mutual funds, they can invest in dividend funds.

Realty Agents,
According to your signature, it states dealers wanted. How you can say dealers are sleeping partner?
How you can guarantee 25% return per month?
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post May 15 2007, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ May 14 2007, 11:22 PM)
regards dividend fund and growth fund, generally around this 3 years the roi for growth fund is better than dividend fund.we can have a simple comparison by visit site like public mutual,see the difference of their dividend fund and growth fund perform.

please note above statement is only mean to growth vs dividend fund in unit trust.not about growth type share vs dividend high type share.
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In a bull market, most probably growth fund is better than dividend fund. The market have been going up for this 3 years from 800++ to 1300++.

If the market is going down, I believe dividend fund give better return than growth fund. Every types of funds have their own characteristic and purpose. It's the hardest thing that we need to choose a right fund in a right time.
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post May 16 2007, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(cuebiz @ May 16 2007, 10:09 AM)
If it is guaranteed return, I guess none of us will have a chance to invest as it will be snapped up as soon as it is available. Anyhow, capital guaranteed fund is good if you are in the low risk investor category. Besides,  the entry fee is only 1.5% and it is managed by SocGen.
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As many newbie think that mutual fund is something like FD, has fixed and guaranteed return. So, when we post message here, good for us to state that the return is not guaranteed, everything depends on the market.
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post May 16 2007, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(damiendamonster @ May 16 2007, 08:04 PM)
hi to all sifus,

would like to ask is its not a good time to invest in equity fund.. globally equity is on the hifh side..

osk juz launched a new golden dragon fund..
which invest in china market and malaysia bond market.
overall i would like to know more abt invest on the market high side..thz
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Even the market is high now, nobody know that when is the peak of the market. The market might go higher for another year.
As Golden Dragon fund can invest in 30-70% of china market, and 30-70% in local bond market, the fund manager might invest fully in china market when china stock market still going up, and invest fully in local bond market when china stock market going down.
For yourself, maybe you can invest in equity funds now, and switch your fund to bond funds when market is not good.

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