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post Aug 1 2015, 08:59 AM, updated 11y ago

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Since it can't be disabled in Windows 10?

Can another anti-virus or anti-malware program like Malwarebytes or Kaspersky, be used simultaneously with Windows Defender?
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post Aug 1 2015, 11:54 AM

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Technically can be disable,but if you install other anti-virus they will close windows defender to avoid problem.,
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post Aug 1 2015, 12:59 PM

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Windows defender is more than enough to protect you from virus/spyware etc.
Heck, if you know what you're doing, you don't even need any anti virus software.

And yes, you can disable win defender in win 10.
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post Aug 1 2015, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(raizo7 @ Aug 1 2015, 12:59 PM)
Windows defender is more than enough to protect you from virus/spyware etc.
Heck, if you know what you're doing, you don't even need any anti virus software.

And yes, you can disable win defender in win 10.
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How do we permanently disable Windows Defender in Windows 10?

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post Aug 1 2015, 01:06 PM

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I am more interested in what firewall/anti-virus that can run with windows defender ON OFFICIALLY instead of disable it.
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QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 1 2015, 01:06 PM)
I am more interested in what firewall/anti-virus that can run with windows defender ON OFFICIALLY instead of disable it.
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That's true because Windows Defender cannot be permanently disabled.

The system will automatically enable it again after a while. smile.gif

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post Aug 1 2015, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 1 2015, 01:03 PM)
How do we permanently disable Windows Defender in Windows 10?
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Using the group policy editor.

Run gpedit.msc
Go to Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Defender
Double click on "Turn off Windows Defender"
Select "Enabled" > Apply > Ok

Win 10 pro is needed for you to edit the gpe.

QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 1 2015, 01:06 PM)
I am more interested in what firewall/anti-virus that can run with windows defender ON OFFICIALLY instead of disable it.
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Most 3rd party av will disable win defender
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post Aug 1 2015, 09:53 PM

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Been using Windows Defender from windows 8 right up till now till windows 10 w/o installing any 3rd party AV software with no issues. Its basically ms security essentials combined with defender making it built in AV software.

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post Aug 1 2015, 11:49 PM

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Stopped using third-party anti-virus somewhere after the initial upgrade to win8.1 when so-called one of the best AV "bitdefender" ultimately slowed down my pc and gave a pretty nice havoc to the performance. Once upon a time my pc was infected with virus and AVG didn't help until the virus decided to spread into system files. So far, never have any issues without a third party AV. Can't say how good, but windefender is reliable, in terms of up-to-date definitions and RT scans.

(Off-topic: Not condemning any 3rd party AV in my post but only certain ones. Some longest and most reliable 3rd party AV I've used are Avast and 360.)

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post Aug 3 2015, 04:39 PM

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so far windows defender works well .. not thinking to install other AV at the moment
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post Aug 4 2015, 09:23 PM

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I'm not using any third party av after win 7
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post Aug 4 2015, 11:17 PM

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So using Windows Defender by itself without any other AV apps is good enough to protect your system?
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post Aug 5 2015, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 4 2015, 11:17 PM)
So using Windows Defender by itself without any other AV apps is good enough to protect your system?
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Yup, definitely. Others antivirus slow down your device. Be sure to turn on Windows update to download the definition file for Windows defender

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post Aug 5 2015, 02:14 PM

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Been using since Windows 7. Now on Windows 10. Never been breach by any virus / etc... Touch wood. Hopefully it stays that way.
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post Aug 5 2015, 04:31 PM

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Is good enough. Don't go watch ahem ahem too much. And be abit more click savvy. Win Def is more than ever reliable
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:50 PM

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it depends on ur web surfing style, and whr u surf ehem. If U're following the basic rules to prevent virus, windows defender is definitely enough. I currently use panda antivirus + MBAE for that extra layer of self comforting.
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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 4 2015, 11:17 PM)
So using Windows Defender by itself without any other AV apps is good enough to protect your system?
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post Aug 10 2015, 10:18 PM

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Mine Laptop also is using windows defender only. So far so good biggrin.gif
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post Aug 10 2015, 10:43 PM

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none of my own personal system use any kind of antivirus other than Windows Defender or Security Essentials since I build my own desktop, simply because I know those AV themselves can cause troubles just like how McAfee always wreak havoc on my work laptop's networking and Norton's notoriously bad resource hogging, holes in AVG, Avast's resource hog and so many more...

truth is, i have seen more virus in computers equipped with 3rd party antivirus...
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post Aug 11 2015, 10:56 AM

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Its good but its never enough. Its all depending on the user environment. Im happy with my Norton. Works well in windows 10.
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post Aug 11 2015, 11:32 AM

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The new Kaspersky 2016 works good too. No noticeable lag with Win 10
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post Aug 12 2015, 09:29 AM

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Will it block connection like firewall?
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post Aug 12 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Aug 1 2015, 11:49 PM)
Stopped using third-party anti-virus somewhere after the initial upgrade to win8.1 when so-called one of the best AV "bitdefender" ultimately slowed down my pc and gave a pretty nice havoc to the performance. Once upon a time my pc was infected with virus and AVG didn't help until the virus decided to spread into system files. So far, never have any issues without a third party AV. Can't say how good, but windefender is reliable, in terms of up-to-date definitions and RT scans.

(Off-topic: Not condemning any 3rd party AV in my post but only certain ones. Some longest and most reliable 3rd party AV I've used are Avast and 360.)
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Currently on Win10 and Bitdefender AV Plus 2015, no issues, no slowdowns. Everything works. Before this I was on Win8.1 with Bitdefender AV Plus 2014, no slowdowns also. It all depends on your CPU setup. If you have a decent setup with lots of RAM, usually 3rd party softwares and AV won't dissapoint. If you are running bare minimum, better to stick to WinDefender to be on the safe side, so that performance is not impacted.
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post Aug 12 2015, 11:32 AM

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We don't use third party AV software just because we have a lot of spare CPU power and RAM.

The real reason we don't use third party AV software is because the built-in Windows Defender is good enough to do the job.
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Aug 12 2015, 11:18 AM)
Currently on Win10 and Bitdefender AV Plus 2015, no issues, no slowdowns. Everything works. Before this I was on Win8.1 with Bitdefender AV Plus 2014, no slowdowns also. It all depends on your CPU setup. If you have a decent setup with lots of RAM, usually 3rd party softwares and AV won't dissapoint. If you are running bare minimum, better to stick to WinDefender to be on the safe side, so that performance is not impacted.
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I have 16GB RAM and an i7 quad-core processor. The slowdown wouldn't consume only RAM and CPU, but also the hard drive's (disk) performance when the disk usage would be crammed full by the third-party AV (especially bitdefender, avast had no such case). Not SSD though.

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post Aug 13 2015, 04:40 PM

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post Aug 13 2015, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 13 2015, 04:40 PM)
this is my security setup......
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the combos take care of certain areas, but maybe it's too much for average users to swallow. an easier way is just switch to linux for internet-based activities. a boot from linux liveusb with persistence enabled should be good enough for most common usage.

all in all, the idea to have these tools protecting us actively or passively is good. however imo it's more practical to learn to have and train self consciousness and awareness about potential threats, and find the balance between usability and security, depending on needs, e.g. for work, i do my stuff in virtual machines, running windows defender and emet, with bitdefender set up as manual scan engine. my setup is minimalist. my data is stored elsewhere, offline and online.
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post Aug 13 2015, 07:33 PM

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post Aug 13 2015, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 13 2015, 07:33 PM)
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right. the main purpose of getting a computer is to let us do things with it. however too much emphasis on protection is not a good idea, because you end up wasting system resources and creating more stress to the system than necessary (especially for lower end pcs) a good sum of money has to be spent to maintain subscriptions, if free versions are not sufficient to meet requirements. it's like you're the owner of a shop. you hire security guards, set up all sort of security tolls, check points, and what not in your shop, that you need to go through all that before you can reach your office. and you're paying for all the costs, bills, and their salaries. ridiculous, right?

that was why i think it's better to train ourselves to become a careful user that can adapt to ever changing threats, offline and online, using the right tools accordingly. it's far more sustainable in the long run imo.

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There are normal users, and there are paranoid users as well. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Aug 13 2015, 04:30 PM)
I have 16GB RAM and an i7 quad-core processor. The slowdown wouldn't consume only RAM and CPU, but also the hard drive's (disk) performance when the disk usage would be crammed full by the third-party AV (especially bitdefender, avast had no such case). Not SSD though.
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Time for an upgrade to SSD bro. I've been on SSD since i migrated to Win8 from Win7 on my desktop, and I am still using an old rig which is more than 5 years old now. Intel C2D E7300 CPU with 8GB RAM and recently upgraded Sandisk X300 SSD 128GB ... No need to buy a whole new CPU when a component upgrade can make it run just like new as well ... smile.gif
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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 13 2015, 09:49 PM)
There are normal users, and there are paranoid users as well. biggrin.gif
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it's just personal preferences.

in a connected world today, a user should know that the same way they use computers in few years ago cannot apply well now. (well some still survive, like backups) the same will happen a few years later. it's not just about computers now. the same thing applies to our phones, tablets, and the next god-knows-what tech stuff that will become part of our lives. do we treat them equally? no. most don't. why? it's the mindset of different physical shapes and size carry different levels of security. we all know it's not true smile.gif


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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 14 2015, 04:44 AM)
actually you may want to hold off on ssd upgrade for now.

intel and micron had come up with a technology called x-point which is set to thrump nand which is used in currenct ssd flash drives.

it wins it in so so many levels.....
1. price/peformance/endurances, it wins on all these levels. especially interesting, it's now a very strong contender not only in regards to storage, but also against dram for computer memory.

2. because xpoint does not use transistors, it is capable of having 1000 times the endurance compared to a nand ssd

3. latency is in the nano seconds rather than miliseconds. basically it's just as good as dram in that regards.

4. more storage space was able to be crammed inside. so vastly larger storage spaces in the terabytes is possible.

5. the cost to produce this is also cheaper to boot despite so many gains on so many levels where it matters.
first products due in 2016 doh.gif so wait till then.
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It's OK. I have already bought mine SSD. Once this so called x-point tech comes out, we'll see the selling price first. Then can determine if SSD is still a viable choice or not. Heck, even currently players like Sandisk outperforms Intel in performance to price ratio on SSDs. Intel's SSD drives are just too expensive for the capacity and the RW speed it offers.
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post Aug 17 2015, 04:00 AM

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There has been so many reports conducted by the specialists that Windows Defender is performing very badly compared to other AntiVirus products. So why should you use it when there are so many good and free AV software out there?
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there is no end debate on this, since each user have their own preference. in my opinion, windows defender should be the most basic defense line needed to protect your device. And remember don't simply open any links and visited some suspicious or shady site. Because defender may ineffective against some high risk threat like ransomware and zero day attack.

the most important is keep your os and program updated from time to time, so any exploit or vulnerabilities get patch up.

if u still insisted on getting 3rd party av, please proceeds to some review site to checkout the product available in the current market.
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post Aug 17 2015, 08:03 PM

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I have installed Avira Free Antivirus today.

It automatically disabled Windows Defender after installation.

This is good because I don't want to keep getting Virus Definition Updates for Windows Defender during Windows Update.

It has a browser safety extension for my Google Chrome browser too. smile.gif

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post Aug 18 2015, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 17 2015, 08:03 PM)
I have installed Avira Free Antivirus today.

It automatically disabled Windows Defender after installation.

This is good because I don't want to keep getting Virus Definition Updates for Windows Defender during Windows Update.

It has a browser safety extension for my Google Chrome browser too. smile.gif

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er that's how av's real-time protection works, i.e. having latest av definitions pulled from servers once they're available. these definitions are cumulative, meaning they are small in each individual package.

in your case, the difference is just that windows defender updates are logged in windows updates, the other av don't.
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post Aug 31 2015, 10:39 PM

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any other AV would you guys recommend to me ?
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post Aug 31 2015, 11:23 PM

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its really useless av..

pls disable it..

living around ppl studying.. u know la to many using usb/pendrive/external hdd on 1 pc

to many virus to handle..

currently using eset + malwarebytes..

serve me really well..
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my windows defender in windows 10 need to manually turn on every time power on pc...why any body facing same problem?
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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 17 2015, 08:03 PM)
I have installed Avira Free Antivirus today.

It automatically disabled Windows Defender after installation.

This is good because I don't want to keep getting Virus Definition Updates for Windows Defender during Windows Update.

It has a browser safety extension for my Google Chrome browser too. smile.gif

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Virus definition update is important and you should update it. And of course, never ignore any updates in case of tempting to evade any windows updates as well.
Refer to this link: http://www.zdnet.com/article/you-are-doing...ftag=YHR05c7fba
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Sep 7 2015, 12:37 PM)
Virus definition update is important and you should update it. And of course, never ignore any updates in case of tempting to evade any windows updates as well.
Refer to this link: http://www.zdnet.com/article/you-are-doing...ftag=YHR05c7fba
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Windows Virus Definition Updates are automatically disabled once we install a third-party AV which replaces Windows Defender.

That is what I want.

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post Sep 9 2015, 02:51 AM

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If you are normal users, it is fine.
It is up to you to decide using other anti virus or Internet security.
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post Oct 22 2015, 06:54 PM

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You can turn off/disable Windows Defender:

Open Admin Command Prompt and type: gpedit.msc
Manoeuver to: Computer Configuration->Administrative Templates->Windows Components->Windows Defender
Double click on "Turn Off Windows Defender" and select "Enabled" then click "Apply"

WARNING: After turn off "Windows Defender", you might not be able to turn it back on. I suggest before trying this, make a backup image so you can restore to the way it was.

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post Nov 9 2015, 11:34 PM

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Always update the freaking database. There's no such thing as the best AV.
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i use Windows Defender almost on all my computer and laptop..soo far no problem because i know what im doing =D

 

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