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post Jul 16 2015, 11:18 AM

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If EPF, ASN, ASW kind of funds are not safe, then I can tell you no fund is safe.
If that 3 I mentioned are not safe, trust fund are much more worst than not safe.
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jul 16 2015, 11:20 AM)
Go to a bookstore looked for a book namely the EPF Act..

It stated that the government not only need to guarantee the funds in EPF, but need to also pay a minimal of 2.5% interest per annum..

What will only happen is when politics become unstable, our currency drops then inflation happens (as what we are experiencing right now)

So.. the end result, your EPF depreciates in value due to the inflation..
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Trust funds depreciate faster than inflation, if government says inflation at 3%, funds gone at least by 6% shocking.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jul 16 2015, 11:28 AM)
I trust EPF
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I trust nobody, but I willing to let EPF to cheat me because they are offering 6% dividend whistling.gif
Still better than trust funds saying 10-20% but 2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% shakehead.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jul 16 2015, 11:34 AM)
Yape, i can imagine how regret i am to put my RM200 into my monthly unit trust fund which the value is now dropped.

The money works better for me in EPF, ASM and AS1M than that bloody fund.. Now can only depend on averaging method nia...  blush.gif
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Yup, you keep on buy, buy and buy while the agents keep on make money whistling.gif
When this happens, then congrats, you already have syndrome, the gambler's syndrome.

QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 11:40 AM)
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2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for LESS than 1-2%
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% or
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for MORE than 1-2% or
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 0%
from UTs funds....DOES it really matters?
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If you keep on buying, then it really does not matters, but you buy once only, it does matters.
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post Jul 16 2015, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 03:39 PM)
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you said "If you keep on buying, then it really does not matters, but you buy once only, it does matters".
how? what are the differences?
further more you just mentioned...."you keep on buy, buy and buy while the agents keep on make money"....isn't that contradictory?
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For me, buying funds are no difference on buying shares if I need to keep on diluting it to make money.
But if I just buy once, it will be like a savings account.
And buying trust funds need to pay fees, so it is not contradicting.
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post Jul 16 2015, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 03:51 PM)
doh.gif ..you-ah...
you mention trust fund in post 8,
asked about post 8 in post 11
you replied in post 30, i asked about contradictory in 31
now you compared with buying Share  doh.gif
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I know you are trying to fish me, so I just be part of your game.
If you are trying to make don't know with such replies, I don't bother also whistling.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 03:56 PM)
just wanted to fish for clarification....before judging if post#9 is true or not... wink.gif
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Well, an agent cheat and mislead to earn a luxury living.
BTW, you may not trust me, but post #10 also mentioned being cheated whistling.gif
It is quite clear already.
And if I'm not pouring rubbish to those agent's rice bowl, why they so fast come and attack me shocking.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 06:31 PM)
Post #10 (as below) did not mention about being cheated....it just mention the value is now dropped....(the value are mostly determined by the market performance)
as practiced, the investor has to declare by signing on the form (or "tick"for online) that he understood about the risks associated with unit trusts funds as spelled out in the prospectus before buying....
and in post#10, the investor are continuing to buy to average down......would he continue to buy if he felt cheated?
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Noe, this is what usually happens when a newbie buying a fund. If the agent never cheat and mislead by boasting how superior is that particular fund perform, I'm sure nobody will buy.
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post Jul 17 2015, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 09:00 PM)
hmm.gif Possibility...
but the forummer of post#10 looks like "Old bird"...
too old to be cheated-lor...
if cheated, will he buy again? (he mentioned he put monthly into his UT fund)
btw,...in FSM or Eunittrust online UTs distribution platforms.....NO agent involved...therefore no agent to cheat and mislead by boasting how superior is that particular fund perform, I'm not sure how many people had bought from them....just read an article published in Dec 2005, that it has asset under management of S$300 million ...... generated by iFAST’s online division, Fundsupermart.com. (Singapore)...if the S$300 millions grew for 10 years combined with other FSM's operation in M'sia, HK and India PLUS Eunittrust platforms  .....the AUM would be very huge where - NO agent involves
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...ion-In-AUM-1798
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Well, if were to buy oversea funds, I'll play forex whistling.gif

QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jul 16 2015, 11:37 PM)
It depends greatly on your EPF deductible salary(basic + allowance), some company set the max at 25% hmm.gif

QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 17 2015, 01:13 AM)
ya-lor..did not specified in the Form too.
googled and found that this had been asked many years back in one of the forum and the Admin provided the "best' answer...ha-ha.
http://www.mylabourlaw.net/forums/896-empl...ontribution.php
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EPF won't stop us how much to contribute on our side icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 17 2015, 06:49 AM)
Read somewhere it is 19 or 20%. One can request their GOOD employer to increase this rather than raise pay so lessen income tax.
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The form still have to be filled by you, some are 20% like you said, some can up to 25% or the max is 1/3 of your pay.
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post Jul 17 2015, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 17 2015, 08:44 AM)
how u know can max until 25%? I didn't see it  hmm.gif
can help me point where u saw it
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Because my ex company said so whistling.gif
It is more on my salary vs deductions ratio that set the limit.
It won't be logic if your salary is rm3000 but EPF contribution until rm1500, right icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 17 2015, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 17 2015, 10:56 AM)
What if the person have "others" income not counted for sweat.gif
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Nope, the company won't consider this. Still depending another company to another.

 

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