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TSem0kia
post Jul 16 2015, 09:32 AM, updated 11y ago

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Hi people, I am really new into finance, so please pardon me if the question sounds extremely stupid to you guys.

So I just know that we can invest in EPF. With the recent 1MDB issue, I sort of like lose hope in everything offered by gov that seems to be "independent, strong etc".

May I know is EPF really a safe place for investment?
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:04 AM

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Can you says NO, if you falls under this ACT
"the EPF Act 1991 in 1991. The EPF Act 1991 requires employees and their employers to contribute towards their retirement savings, and allows workers to withdraw these savings at retirement or for special purposes before then".

I think the risk is MUCH higher when buying new in progress properties for investment than putting monies in EPF...
"is EPF really a safe place for investment?" .....how do you interpret investment?
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:18 AM

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If EPF, ASN, ASW kind of funds are not safe, then I can tell you no fund is safe.
If that 3 I mentioned are not safe, trust fund are much more worst than not safe.
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:20 AM

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Go to a bookstore looked for a book namely the EPF Act..

It stated that the government not only need to guarantee the funds in EPF, but need to also pay a minimal of 2.5% interest per annum..

What will only happen is when politics become unstable, our currency drops then inflation happens (as what we are experiencing right now)

So.. the end result, your EPF depreciates in value due to the inflation..

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post Jul 16 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 16 2015, 11:18 AM)
If EPF, ASN, ASW kind of funds are not safe, then I can tell you no fund is safe.
If that 3 I mentioned are not safe, trust fund are much more worst than not safe.
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Yes, if those funds are not safe, then we would say there is no place safe to put the funds.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jul 16 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jul 16 2015, 11:20 AM)
Go to a bookstore looked for a book namely the EPF Act..

It stated that the government not only need to guarantee the funds in EPF, but need to also pay a minimal of 2.5% interest per annum..

What will only happen is when politics become unstable, our currency drops then inflation happens (as what we are experiencing right now)

So.. the end result, your EPF depreciates in value due to the inflation..
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Trust funds depreciate faster than inflation, if government says inflation at 3%, funds gone at least by 6% shocking.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:28 AM

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I trust EPF
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jul 16 2015, 11:28 AM)
I trust EPF
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I trust nobody, but I willing to let EPF to cheat me because they are offering 6% dividend whistling.gif
Still better than trust funds saying 10-20% but 2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% shakehead.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:32 AM

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when supersound opens mouth...bull's arse opens...and a whole load of faeces are unloaded shocking.gif

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post Jul 16 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 16 2015, 11:30 AM)
I trust nobody, but I willing to let EPF to cheat me because they are offering 6% dividend whistling.gif
Still better than trust funds saying 10-20% but 2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% shakehead.gif
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Yape, i can imagine how regret i am to put my RM200 into my monthly unit trust fund which the value is now dropped.

The money works better for me in EPF, ASM and AS1M than that bloody fund.. Now can only depend on averaging method nia... blush.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 16 2015, 11:30 AM)
I trust nobody, but I willing to let EPF to cheat me because they are offering 6% dividend whistling.gif
Still better than trust funds saying 10-20% but 2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% shakehead.gif
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hmm.gif
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for LESS than 1-2%
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% or
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for MORE than 1-2% or
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 0%
from UTs funds....DOES it really matters?

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post Jul 16 2015, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jul 16 2015, 11:34 AM)
Yape, i can imagine how regret i am to put my RM200 into my monthly unit trust fund which the value is now dropped.

The money works better for me in EPF, ASM and AS1M than that bloody fund.. Now can only depend on averaging method nia...  blush.gif
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hmm.gif doing averaging into UTs funds again?
hmm.gif the funds NAV can continues to drops again.....imagine more regret then?
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 11:40 AM)
hmm.gif
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for LESS than 1-2%
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 1-2% or
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for MORE than 1-2% or
2-4 years only give out distribution/dividend once for 0%
from UTs funds....DOES it really matters?
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Berkshire Hathaway...no dividends at all yawn.gif

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post Jul 16 2015, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 16 2015, 11:58 AM)
Berkshire Hathaway...no dividends at all yawn.gif
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hmm.gif hmm.gif
can this be the reason that "the chairman, CEO and largest shareholder of Berkshire Hathaway, and consistently ranked among the world's wealthiest people"?
hmm.gif wondering how many investors he got? how much asset under management does Berkshire Hathaway has?

tongue.gif hope you know what i am imply wink.gif


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post Jul 16 2015, 12:39 PM

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12+11% totaling the money of ALL Malaysian employees flows into EPF EVERY MONTH.

MOST POWERFUL fund in malaysia.


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post Jul 16 2015, 12:41 PM

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In fact, 13% + 11% for those who earns < 5k
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 12:28 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif
can this be the reason that "the chairman, CEO and largest shareholder of Berkshire Hathaway, and consistently ranked among the world's wealthiest people"?
hmm.gif wondering how many investors he got? how much asset under management does Berkshire Hathaway has?

tongue.gif hope you know what i am imply  wink.gif
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of course I know! tongue.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 16 2015, 11:46 AM)
hmm.gif doing averaging into UTs funds again?
hmm.gif the funds NAV can continues to drops again.....imagine more regret then?
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although last few days got increase, but the increase is only limited..

at least i am not putting majority onto this..
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post Jul 16 2015, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Babablacksheep @ Jul 16 2015, 12:39 PM)
12+11% totaling the money of ALL Malaysian employees flows into EPF EVERY MONTH.

MOST POWERFUL fund in malaysia.
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Yape, just imagine everyone who is employed are regularly contributing to this fund.. blush.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 01:21 PM

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So from what i understand through all the posts here, EPF is the safest yet giving out 6% increment annually right? So lets say if my income is RM10000, i decide to put 30% into EPF every month and my employer bank in another 12%. This means there will be RM4200 entering my EPF every month. With 6% interest rate, after 35 years i would have roughly Rm5 mil. Is that correct?

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