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post May 28 2008, 11:10 AM

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i voted others smile.gif
where is rio ferdinand? the guy that missed the drug test sometimes ago is improving. but i'd like to see more of him the future rclxms.gif
gerrard show what a good captain he was during the istanbul 2005. but his procastinated mind after the win let his share down tongue.gif
terry was doing very well at chelsea too but his off field antics isn't up to the mark. and karma must be upon him he slipped when it matter most. whistling.gif
the gary brothers aren't as talented but the are utility players, will do good in any team they're in! thumbup.gif

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post May 28 2008, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ May 28 2008, 10:19 AM)
he isnt now
carra dont have the pace.. england do not need another slightly worse terry as 1st choice
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Then why is our defensive record equal to the top clubs? You may say want you want of Carra but there is no denying he reads the game really well and he has proven himself against the best forwards in the world.
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post May 28 2008, 12:06 PM

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post May 28 2008, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 28 2008, 11:46 AM)
Then why is our defensive record equal to the top clubs? You may say want you want of Carra but there is no denying he reads the game really well and he has proven himself against the best forwards in the world.
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i never said he isnt good.. just there r better defenders than him
seeing rooney raped him at OT really shown that he isnt up to the mark anymore.. still a good defender anyway
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post Jun 5 2008, 12:04 PM

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wat is this all about?I thought we are having discussion of BEST EPL CAPTAINS?Why drag it so far?
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post Jun 5 2008, 10:09 PM

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best would be Viera and Keane. Those two are very class. Gerrard is good as well but he's not in the same the league as those previous two.
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post Jun 5 2008, 10:37 PM

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I would have voted for Roy Keane if he were in the list smile.gif
TS should update the list since Ferdinand is also missing.
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post Jun 6 2008, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jun 5 2008, 10:09 PM)
best would be Viera and Keane. Those two are very class. Gerrard is good as well but he's not in the same the league as those previous two.
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Personally I would object to your opinion on Gerrard being in a different league from Viera. He leads by example and have time and time again dragged Liverpool back from the brink of defeat (West Ham - FA Cup Final, Qlympiocos - Champions League, AC Milan - Istanbul, etc). In Istanbul he gave an inspired half time talk and after scoring the first goal, he could be seen waving his hands about urging the players and the crowd to pick the pace up.

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Rafa helped change our mood from defeat to defiance. Let's go out fighting, not with the whimper. Rafa kept mentioning the fans. Outside, that huge electronic scoreboard read 'Maldini 1, Crespo 39,44' stared at our fans. Proof of Liverpool's terrible performance was written large up there. Looking at that scoreboard, most Liverpool fans must have felt the race was run and lost. Deep down, the fans were simply buzzing we got to the final. They could see the quality of opposition we struggled against. Yet against all the odds, against all the evidence of Milan's superiority, our fans were singing loud and proud. "Listen," I said to the players. "Listen to that." The singing of 40,000 Liverpool supporters floated down the tunni., into the dressing-room and into our hearts.

Unbelievable. Liverpool were 3-0 down, being trashed by Kaka and Crespo, and our fans were singing "You'll Never Walk Alone". All the players looked at each other in amazement, and pride. "They bloody well havent given up on us," I shouted, "so we cant give up either." By singing "You'll Never Walk Alone", the fans sent a message to eleven shattered men in the dressing-room: the fans will be with you, through the wind and the rain, through times of adversity like this. No matter how much the payers hurt, we'd never walk alone. Our fans were with us. Together. Their message was to play for some respect, play for pride in the shirt. "The fans are with us," I said. "Let's give them something to shout about. They've spent loads of money. They're singing our name and we are getting stuffed 3-0. If we get one, they'll get behind us even more. That will help put another one in for us. Come on, let's f***ing have a go!"
Probably makes more impact on Liverpool fans but what the hell? Just providing my reason. It's just one example lah of course. I've read his biography but don't want to repeat everything here.

I would not compare him at the moment to Roy Keane simply because Keane's game improved later in his career as did his influence. Gerrard is approaching his late 20's and still has a number of years ahead of him. It would be like comparing him to Emlyn Hughes or Greame Souness at the moment. His story has yet to come to an end.

Again, this is just my opinion, I'm not saying it's right.
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post Jun 6 2008, 01:24 PM

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rio ferdinand...
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a MU fan here.. but since Rio is not the official captain of MU yet, so it is definitely Gerrard~
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post Jun 6 2008, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 6 2008, 01:20 PM)
Personally I would object to your opinion on Gerrard being in a different league from Viera. He leads by example and have time and time again dragged Liverpool back from the brink of defeat (West Ham - FA Cup Final, Qlympiocos - Champions League, AC Milan - Istanbul, etc). In Istanbul he gave an inspired half time talk and after scoring the first goal, he could be seen waving his hands about urging the players and the crowd to pick the pace up.
Probably makes more impact on Liverpool fans but what the hell? Just providing my reason. It's just one example lah of course. I've read his biography but don't want to repeat everything here.

I would not compare him at the moment to Roy Keane simply because Keane's game improved later in his career as did his influence. Gerrard is approaching his late 20's and still has a number of years ahead of him. It would be like comparing him to Emlyn Hughes or Greame Souness at the moment. His story has yet to come to an end.

Again, this is just my opinion, I'm not saying it's right.
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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No doubt, Gerrard is one of the best. Heck, he should get the armband for England. But when I meant that he's different, you can clearly see the intense rivalry between Keane and Viera and how they would like to knock each other out. You can see Keane is being a mean bad-a** with every other single team that is not United. Viera does that too.

Simplest word, not my teammates hence my enemy. Gerrard doesn't think it that way.

Enlighten me if I'm wrong. smile.gif
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post Jun 6 2008, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jun 6 2008, 03:07 PM)
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No doubt, Gerrard is one of the best. Heck, he should get the armband for England. But when I meant that he's different, you can clearly see the intense rivalry between Keane and Viera and how they would like to knock each other out. You can see Keane is being a mean bad-a** with every other single team that is not United. Viera does that too.

Simplest word, not my teammates hence my enemy. Gerrard doesn't think it that way.

Enlighten me if I'm wrong.  smile.gif
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My first impression when you mentioned that they weren't in the same league was that Gerrard was not in their class, hence my reply. Viera and Keane clearly do not like one another. The tunnel scene is evident of that. It depends on what qualities you want in a captain I suppose. You have your bad ass types, you have your cool, calm types and so on. Bryan Robson was a good captain but he didn't go around kicking the opposition about. Gerrard was a bit of a prick in his earlier days but has since adopted a more controlled temperament. If you're suggesting that the rivalry between Keane and Viera is in a different class as compared to Gerrard and player X, then I'd agree. I do not however think that Gerrard is any less influential.

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post Jun 6 2008, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 6 2008, 03:19 PM)
My first impression when you mentioned that they weren't in the same league was that Gerrard was not in their class, hence my reply. Viera and Keane clearly do not like one another. The tunnel scene is evident of that. It depends on what qualities you want in a captain I suppose. You have your bad ass types, you have your cool, calm types and so on. Bryan Robson was a good captain but he didn't go around kicking the opposition about. Gerrard was a bit of a prick in his earlier days but has since adopted a more controlled temperament. If you're suggesting that the rivalry between Keane and Viera is in a different class as compared to Gerrard and player X, then I'd agree. I do not however think that Gerrard is any less influential.
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Gerrard is influential. Heck, we can see that. One saying he's not then one must be thick. Credit is given where it's due. Gerrard pawns Neville in captaincy. But in being a bad ass type, he can't compete with the two I mentioned. And yes, they do hate each other but I would say that Keane just hates everybody. We knew the case of Haarland, don't we? Albeit, at the same time, Keane can be so diplomatic.

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Jun 6 2008, 03:45 PM

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