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unknown warrior
post Jul 9 2015, 01:49 PM

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Partly true.

You don't have portuguese friend like I have.

I have one and he's a pastor too.

The portuguese came here on a conquest to expand their dominion but it also happened that they were already Christian and so thus together they did evangelize the gospel.

However the primary reason has always been about expansion of their kingdom.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM

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Anyway I just want to make one thing clear.

The Crusade happened because of Moslem/Islamic conquest.

It started because of that. To take back Christian land at that time.

People nowadays ignorantly made it sound as if Christian started the Crusade just like that.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM)
I'm sure you'll have different opinion regarding the Arab and later Ottoman (Turkish) expansion of their dominion who happened to be muslims.
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Yes the antidote to this is the Crusade. Ottoman lost later on, good riddance.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(ironite @ Jul 9 2015, 02:04 PM)
if you got 10 minutes, watch this video.
crash course history lesson.

TL:DR  The crusades was more about politics than religious reasons.
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Primarily it is political, correct.

Christians today don't really approve the Crusade because it goes against the tenets of our Faith however we cannot judge them as well because in those days and time, the Era, the social political settings are different, the lands are practically lawless. They did what they had to do, else Christian land would fall under Moslem conquest.

If anything Moslems are the ones who started this first. The aggression.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 02:11 PM)
Many people no understand.

Solomon came first?
Or Sulaiman came first?
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Of course Soloman la.

you can blame heckline for turning everything upside down, next in line would be this aliesterfiend.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:14 PM)
Musa or Abraham?
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Abraham.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:15 PM)
So when you cannot reply to my post you resort to attack me personally ?

Is that a general Christian attitude ?

I have a lot of Christian friend and none of them acts like you so I don't think you are a good example of how a Christian should act.
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Hi Heckline the 2nd.




QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jul 9 2015, 02:18 PM)
Christianity was also spread to America
but that itself was no crusade kan?
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America was introduced through European colonization.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:10 PM)
The crusades first stated because the western kings were fighting among themselves. Then the Eastern Roman emperor request from the western pope to help them defend Anatolia from the invading Seljuks. Gregory VII earlier calls were mostly unheeded because it was purely economic and just to help the Byzantines by the western kings and not until Urban II manage to convince them to go further than Anatolia manage to convince them that they'll get immunity, redemption whatsoever if they take up the cross.

That idea of retaking back the Christian land (which was already lost for 500 years) was just something that were made up at that time because Urban II actually intended to reunited back the Western and Eastern Churches.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:27 PM)
If you're talking about retaking the Holy Land which was Christian before the Arab conquest please know that Christian Romans only ruled the are for 300 years while Muslim Arabs have ruled the area for 500 years and claiming it as muslim 'did it first' the Romans (though they were still worshipping Jupiter, Mars etc) took them from native Jews which then the Jews were not even allowed in the city.

It was after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in the 7th century when the Jews were invited back to Jerusalem.
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Nice weed, heckline.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:37 PM)
Read about Vespasian conquest of Jerusalem during the Jewish rebellion in 70AD.
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Every Moslems have their own Islamic influenced version of history of the Christian crusade or anything that's in favour towards Islam, I'll stick what has been established in history.

Thank you but No Thanks.

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:48 PM)
WHICH BOOK?

Our school text book is umno propaganda, trash by my standard

Start slowly from hangPC2 sources, which coincide the book i want to explain it to you
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lol How about those who scored A1 or A2. somebody in this thread was so prooooooud.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:49 PM)
One of the primary sources about Vespasian came from Seutonius who's not a muslim.
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Doesn't matter but still as I've said before.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:52 PM)
Yeah and Christians have their primary source regarding the crusades from ?

Who's William of Tyre ? Another muslim ?  hmm.gif
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Why don't we all go what has been established eh?

Try

http://www.history.com/topics/crusades.

It shows factual history of the crusade, what's wrong with it, why it happened.

Better than your version of propaganda of being defensive of Islam.

Crusade started because of Islamic conquest. No need to "try" to remove this fact.


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post Jul 9 2015, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 03:13 PM)
Too much weed here
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Everybody wants to create their own ver of Crusade. rolleyes.gif

Sometime I wonder why. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 03:18 PM)
But to call it a crusade is just mind blowing
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Anyway, the Crusade's doctrine is wrong on all account of what is Christian.
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post Jul 9 2015, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 9 2015, 03:22 PM)
This

Portugal need something to legalize their action and the pope just agrees to that
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Wrong lah. aiyo.


It's not about money. This is not /k/tard level history is it? Everything about money and girl, ada vios ada amoi bodo betul punya rhetoric.


It's about expansion of Portuguese Dominion.

It's about conquering land.




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post Jul 9 2015, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 03:28 PM)
Crusades started because of Islamic conquest of very generic. Contrary to you, I am more than willing to discuss the history of my religion base on simply that, history and all history were written by the victors as part of their propaganda.

If we're talking about Islamic conquest on Jerusalem as the reason for the crusade then it's definitely 500 years too late. If you're willing to go back 500 years to claim that Arabs/Muslims took Christian lands and so it's valid to retake them back, why not go back more further to 900 years where the Arabs/Muslims took back the lands from the Romans (Pagan first, the Christian) and gave them back to the native Jews ?

Rather than just rely on 'made for selected audience' history channel, why not read some opinions of non-muslim writers ?

Here's some reference.

Nicolle, David (1994). Yarmuk AD 636: The Muslim Conquest of Syria.
Gil, Moshe; Ethel Broido (1997). A History of Palestine. Cambridge University Press, pp. 634–1099.
"Umar (634–644)", The Islamic World to 1600 Multimedia History Tutorials by the Applied History Group, University of Calgary."
Yaqut al-Hamawi as cited in le Strange, Guy (1890). Palestine Under the Moslems: A Description of Syria and the Holy Land from A.D. 650 to 1500.
"Syria." Encyclopædia Britannica.
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lolwut? ok nvm then. Carry on your weed.

I guess this is how Bruce was killed by a Silat Master happens...... to be accepted by some of your community laugh.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(augkyos @ Jul 9 2015, 03:52 PM)
Yay! Now everyone can Rewrite history~
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apparently happening now itself.

I'm just munching popcorn, cringing every time a half lie comes up.


ewwwwwwwww.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:41 PM

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lol. hahahaha

Sorry to say but bodo jugak orang ni trying to define the crusade.

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post Jul 9 2015, 04:45 PM

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Yo learn2earn8

Just ignore that aliens... guy la, he's trying too hard.

The guy got crusadephobia, simply tembak one defining crusade as he sees fit.

World History already been established. He can propagate as much as he wants, we just enjoy the show only.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(sedakabe @ Jul 9 2015, 04:54 PM)
hari hari change history till sendiri slightly able to feel better
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Anyway the Real History of Crusade started by the preaching of Pope Urban II. It is a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. The Moslems started this aggression and the Crusade was the reaction.

It DIDN'T start at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge as propagated by that Alien guy so as to give false indication that the crusade happens because of western kings were fighting among themselves.

I don't like lies neither liars propaganda. smile.gif

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