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TSajai@jakes
post Jul 8 2015, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 8 2015, 01:27 PM)
this might indicate much higher a/c consumption than before due to lack of insulation. try to meter your regular usage for a week as suggested and then try (if you can tahan) one week without any a/c. compare the figures to find out your a/c portion of the bill.

1200 units is a lot. i a/c 24/7 (but insulated very well) and use all appliances (washing machine, dishwasher, pc, fridges, tv, etc etc.) in approx. 9 units per day per 1000 sqft living space (ceiling height is 12 ft). thats an average for hot/cold season over a couple of years. but this is running all on as energy efficient appliances as i can find (LED lights, inverter a/c, AAA+ or higher rating). if you calculate the volume of your house (and maybe the old) you can also get an estimation of how much A/C you probably need by default. then the lack of shading etc. will greatly increase concumption too.
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don't think I can live without air conditioning for a week.

in terms of trees providing shading, that will not happen so soon.

as to calculate the volume of my house..i am not a technical person nor am I good with numbers.
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post Jul 8 2015, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 8 2015, 03:46 PM)
then at least do it for a day when its not too hot and not too cold so you can an estimate. there is no way around if you really want to know. alternative you can buy voltmeter(s) to plug between the power points and gather data. if you want consumption to go down or find the culprit you need to be willing to search for it.

calculate the volume of the house is easy:

ceiling height x widh x space of each room in sqft gives cubic feet. you only need to do this for the rooms that you are airconditioning at the moment. open door = adjoining room is also aironditioned.

then you do the same for the old place. see how much volume difference you have. this will already give you an idea. for the lack of shading etc. you can possibly also expect that the power needed to cool down to the same temperature caneasily be anywhere between 10-30% more consumption.

i am pretty sure its the A/C thats causing the pain.

forgot to double check with you:

Electrolux clothes dryer = +/-6 hours a week
Rubine brand built in oven which I use +/-5 hours a week
Deep oil fryer (no brand) which I use +/- 1 hour a day

those (same) items you used roughly the same in the old house right?
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the airconds I consistently use are in the bedrooms, so hardly any open and shut of doors once we sleep.
my current bedrooms are about +/-250sqft each. I think the rooms at my old place would be about +/-170sqft.
the difference are the air conditioners used. the old condo, I used national brand 1hp non inverter air-conditioners, each maybe about 10 to 12 years old. the temp I used to set was about 21c with the second fan.
the new place, I used York 1hp inverters with temp set at 26c with the lowest fan.
I am also pretty sure that it is the air conditioning. will have to figure this out soon.

the clothes dryer I have reduced usage to about 90% since I am on landed property now.
oven was also used at the old condo about the same number of hours.
also used the same deep fryer.



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post Jul 8 2015, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 03:50 PM)
The main issue what is the actual temperature are you setting now?

Also how big the room size with the right Aircon now?
Just simple list here
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=/-250 sq ft with 1hp inverter air conditioning set at 26c with the lowest fan.
I also use a ceiling fan at the lowest speed for air circulation.

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post Jul 8 2015, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 04:05 PM)
1HP for 250 sqft is way small leh.
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well, that is the size of the room before putting in all the built in cabinets, chest of drawers, carpets, queen size beds. so after putting everything in, it should be down to about +/-200 sqft.
by the way, I actually brought the air cond supplier to my house to measure the rooms before I bought the air conds and it was based on his advice I bought the 1hp inverters.
but lets just say, for argument sake, the air conds are underpowered, it still should not cost more than the non inverter air conds (12 year old) which I set at 21/22c with the second lowest fan right?
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post Jul 8 2015, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 04:13 PM)
Seriously 250 sq ft = 4.5x 5m wide the right Aircon Hp should be on 1.5hp at least, otherwise may runs non stop.

Cause under size hp
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lets just say, for argument sake, the air conds are underpowered, it still should not cost more than the non inverter air conds (12 year old) which I set at 21/22c with the second lowest fan right
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post Jul 8 2015, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 8 2015, 04:18 PM)
ok first of you have rooms which are roughly 20% larger. hence for the same temperature you need factoring in other factors mentioned about 30-40% more cooling power. but the inverter is set to 26° vs. 21° on non-inverter which should totally offset this.

250sqft is no problem for a 1HP aircon if the place is not super-badly insultated. are the rooms under the ceiling (how hot is the ceiling)? this might be a problem. windows - do they leak air a lot?

put a power meter between each a/c to see daily consumption to pinpoint. it could be a/c problem (running full force for whatever reason), too much heat from ceiling or walls, bad insulation or all. the other things wont contribute much to justify 40 units a day. i would guesstimate (!!) 10-15, tops 20 units go to ur non-A/C appliances. the rest is A/C.
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Based on the York catalogue, the inverter I have is capable of 9100btu, which should be sufficient for a 250sq ft room.
you are right, the difference in size, I would think is off set by the setting I put on my current inverter 26c (inverters) as opposed to 21c (old).

the windows have black out curtains plus it is only 2 window panes (4ftx2ft I think, I am not too sure), plus its a new house, doubt whether the windows leak.

so what exactly shud I be looking at? how many units in total should I basically use in a day considering everything which I have put forward in this forum?

I have logged my numbers for 7pm yesterday and 7am today. I will get my number for 7pm today and 7am tomorrow and post it up here to see what my usage is. I hope it is about 40 units a day.

if it is 40units a day, what roughly should my tnb bill be for a month?
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post Jul 8 2015, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 04:26 PM)
Ok talk with Aircon for single unit won't cost you more than 300 kWh per monthly, I guess you have others heavy input watt thing or either used too many time of water boiler
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we will find out soon enough once I post my numbers up tomorrow.

I should have 2 days worth on numbers for tomorrow. taken at 7pm and 7am everyday.

7am to 7pm should be substantially less kwh as minimal air cond usage.
7pm to 7am should be the most.

Come back tomorrow to help me calculate the figure and do a guestimate pls.
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post Jul 8 2015, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Jul 8 2015, 04:21 PM)
night time running and temperature setting of 26 deg C..
i am pretty sure the AC can reach the set temperature and the compressor will reduce speed to save power.
the fan speed of the AC will not consume much electricity.
the main thing is the compressor, but even at 80% running, it'll be around 640W x 10 hours?
6.4kWh.. x 0.5 cents x 30 = RM 96..
try sleeping with your kids 1 night and see read the meter again in the morning!
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I totally agree.
come back tomorrow once I post up my usage figures for 2 days. then we may be able to pinpoint the culprit.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 04:45 PM)
Normal use for 1hp inverter York or Daikin should be around 750w to max 1000w

If let said from 1kw x 8 hrs x 30 = 240kwh for one unit only.

X 3 units = 720kwh

user posted image
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if I have enough light later today, I will try to snap a picture of the York inverter details.
I am assuming your 750watt to 1000watt is based on the outdoor rated power?
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 05:00 PM)
Lowest fan compressor still running and try cooling the room to the set temperature.  For Argument sake, even if you run 12 hours at 100% capacity of your a/c, it will cost you roughly 300 units. that mean you will be paying RM 150 only.
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I totally agree with you.
come back tomorrow.
I will post up my kwh figures for 2 days.
7pm to 7am
7am to 7pm.

Then maybe we can figure things out.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 05:08 PM)
Ya correct my kampong York inverter 1hp is around 735w to 900w Max only, but my mother in law they never complain the bill is expansive

I guess just less than Rm200 only
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bro kimsim, we both pakai cap kampong inverterlah.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 8 2015, 05:09 PM)
can anybody help me find out what is my hitachi RWB560P2M power consumption in watts?
i remember got one singapore gov website that list the star ratings etc but now can't find already - http://www.nea.gov.sg/home
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take picture of the unit like kimsim. maybe it states it on the label. I know my York has labels and has the 5/4 star power saving rating.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2015, 05:12 PM)
You can see from the picture, it does state outdoor rated power in the label.

Indoor blower won't consume too much electricity one as it is just like a fan the blowing the cool air out only.

You need to take the daily consumption by variable the usage of appliance to find the which consume the most.
Alternatively, can get a clamp meter to measure the current intake by each appliance by clamping on the incoming wire, which is quite convenience as well.
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I will take a pic of the indoor unit label. if I am not mistaken, it also has that 4/5 star power saving thing.

I don't dare use clamps on naked wires. not technically bright or clever enough to figure out which wires I should clamp plus don't want to get electrocuted. will try to get some other device to figure out the power usage.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 05:15 PM)
Can see it in kampong too
user posted image

Just stop them used electric water boiler for cooking water very often and also vacuum cleaner can be cost you more energy also.

Normal vacuum cleaner can be 2500-3000w easily
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my vacuum is 2800 watt. usage every 2 days for about 90 minutes. but have to use due to having small kids who likes to spill food and having a cat with thick and long fur.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2015, 05:28 PM)
The clamp is not a "clamp", just need the wire to pass through the clamp hole only.

You don't need to have exposed naked wire to measure the current.
Clamp at wrong wire won't get electrocuted, just get wrong reading only.

You can google what is "clamp meter".

Having said that if not technical savy enough, then better don't touch any wire.
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hehe. agreed. sorry. am not technically savvy enough to handle these things.
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post Jul 8 2015, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 05:58 PM)
Yes 5 ticks is greater
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I guess it similar to the star rating in Malaysia. the more stars the more energy saving it is. that's why I try as much as possible to get the 5 star products.
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:14 AM

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ok guys..

this is my electrical consumption

Day 1
7am - 4483kwh
7pm - 4490kwh

Day 2
7am - 4516kwh
7pm - 4523kwh

Day 3
7am - 4549kwh

From the above, my usage on:
Day 1 - 7pm 4490kwh to Day 2 - 7am is 4516kwh is 26kwh.
Day 2 - 7pm 4523kwh to Day 3 - 7am is 4529kwh is 26kwh.

Big ticket items used between 7pm to 7am where I used up 26kwh worth of electricity are:-

2 units of inverter 1 hp air cond from 10pm to 7am
2800watt vacuum for 30 minutes
LCD 50 inch Samsung tv for 3 hours
500 watt grundfos water pump for 10 minutes
50 liter joven storage water heater for 10 minutes

No other big ticket items used. Does all these usage justify the 26kwh?


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post Jul 9 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 9 2015, 10:24 AM)
Seem like only for night time already clock on 26kwh, then include day time.
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yup. Day time is about 7kwh.

Total usage for 24 hours is 26kwh + 7kwh = 33kwh a day
for a month would be 33kwh x 30 days = 990kwh
tnb bill should be approx.: rm445 a month
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 9 2015, 10:32 AM)
Your night energy don't add up leh? if you have 1hp inverter x 2 unit switch on 9 hours each. Assuming you running 100% full blast, say 800watt / hours. Is 800watt x 2 x 9 = 14,400 Watt Hour. round up to 15Kwh.

Where your 9 KWH go?
01) {vacuum} Say 0.5 hour x 2.8 KW = 1.4Kwh
02) 10mins x 3,000 watt water heater = 1/6 x 3,000 watt = 0.5 Kwh

Others are small items.

- You sure you running 1HP inverter and not 2HP inverter?
- Anyone stealing your electric?
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yup. very sure I am running on 1hp York inverter. you can check. the series is y5wmy10pf-amlga. year of manufacture 2014. cooling capacity is 9100btu
the aircond was not even on full blast.
the setting was 26c, lowest fan and I had the ceiling fan on at the lowest speed.

so I don't know where the additional +/-9kwh came from.


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post Jul 9 2015, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 9 2015, 10:44 AM)
Something very fishy, maybe after 10pm, you monitor every hour how many units you use till 12-1am.

You may want to trip the remaining mcb to make sure no one stealing your house electric.

If nothing seem to solve this, can request tnb to check the meter or change to a new meter.
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I am going to continue monitoring my electricity these next one or two weeks.
I checked with tnb, my bill of RM710.40, the usage was 1442 kwh. meaning, on average over 30 days, my usage is 49kwh per day!
I called tnb and made an appointment with them to check the meter. you are right, could be something fishy.

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