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TSajai@jakes
post Jul 7 2015, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2015, 04:15 PM)
For me, i usually switch it off, until need to use like bath, and wash toilet. Don't need to use pump just for washing hand right? or bidet?  Problem i faced when the pump remain on for long is the hose also burst. Frequently switching off actually save more money because less replacement of hose, and electricity.
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fair enough. you have a point here. will try your suggestion to keep it off unless for bathing purposes. for minor stuff like washing hands nor mal pressure would suffice.
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post Jul 7 2015, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(R4yMoNd @ Jul 7 2015, 04:21 PM)
i have similar bill as yours Mine around RM660, the lowest was RM450 if we use with concern.

and also staying in a double storey semi D.

my usage:
1.5hp york normal aircond = 10hrs a day
1hp york normal aircond = 5hrs a day
1hp york normal aircond = 10hrs a day
water boiler = standby all the time.. once reboil 2200w
1 ceiling fan always on 24/7
1 water pump for upper level = always on
1 water pump ground floor = always on
3 other aircond = seldom on

I realize what consuming electricity compare to my previous RM350condo bill

Setting of aircond in my master bedroom if difficult to reach the ideal temperature will force aircond work more and consuming more electricity.

Water boiler also taking lots of electricity.

My LED light only 7-11watt for standby

minimize usage of other downlight coz once turn on will automatically connected with 4 other light

PC also quite consuming.

light might look like small but if u realize once u switch on it will trigger 3 other light as well (unlike condo)

aircond will work harder to cooling bigger area

turn off pump if unnecessary

remind your maid to use aircond wisely

PS: GST in the bill already RM 50 easily!!
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your tnb rate is better than mine considering the number and type of appliances you have. my air conds which I use consistently are inverters and I only have 1 water pump and I only use the hot water storage sparingly. and even then, I use a ceiling fan to circulate the air in the bed rooms which I switch on the inverter airconds.
will keep in mind on the usage of downlights and yeah, you are right, 1 switch connects to a few, in my case, 1 switch connects to 2 downlights.
as for the maid, as far as I know, she does not switch on the aircond, but I could be wrong.
will also start switching off the water pump unless it is for bathing purposes.
Don't have a pc in the house. heheh..IT illiterate.

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post Jul 7 2015, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 7 2015, 04:24 PM)
i think my biggest makan letrik appliance is the aircon
then comes the washer/dryer
fridge is next

but man i wish i can on all my aircon 24x7 for a fixed amount of money macam all you can eat buffet
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same here. I think the biggest culprit is the aircond. I am trying to figure out how to manage it.
the dryer not so bad not since I am on landed property so usage have cut down by 90%.
Fridge only 1 700+ liter fridge. but inverter tech.
I will have to monitor my meter lah like this.
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post Jul 7 2015, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 7 2015, 04:30 PM)
The difference is the condo and the double story terrace.

I figure that the condo unit you stayed was not the roof unit. So, basically your floor and your ceiling were cooled and insulated by your neighbors. In case of terrace house, your room upstairs is poorly insulated just like most terrace, semi-D or even bungalow in Malaysia. The ceiling and the roof is where you can heat water without electricity  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Unless you insulate the ceiling like the houses in 4 seasons countries, you can never reduce the electricity. I can confirm this is the main culprit. If all your room are downstairs but unfortunately they are not  wink.gif
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you have a point here. but the thing is, the air conditioners are only switched on at night from 10pm onwards, I doubt whether the heat from the sun could result in the room being difficult to cool down at 10pm at night. but I could be wrong.


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post Jul 8 2015, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 7 2015, 04:48 PM)
How many people in your house? Are all the room occupied. If you can use the room downstairs for a while, you can see the difference. Now hot season. It makes it even worse. Actually, night or day, the ceiling in Malaysia is not insulated. The "coldness" loss through conduction is still significant, I believe.  The wall is another direct heat radiator. It has no insulation at all  sad.gif

Anyone here do ceiling-roof insulation?
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Only two rooms occupied plus maid's room which pasang kipas only.
the 2 rooms I just reset the settings to 26c with lowest fan.
I also decided to switch off the water pump at night and only use it during the day.
whatever appliances which is plugged but not in use I have unplugged.

now I am keeping a log on my usage. I took my tnb meter reading yesterday at 7pm and this morning at 7am. later today will check again reading at 7pm. will do this a few days to have a rough estimate of my usage, then see how or what to cut down.

I am also going to keep a log on usage of deep fryer and oven. just for comparison.
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post Jul 8 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2015, 05:05 PM)
The heat build up in the room during day time will need some energy to cool it down. For me, I have a ventilation fan that usually switch it on to suck the cooler air from outside to my room, than to the roof. This way I cool the roof, and also cool the room before switching on the AC.

If rainy season, I just switch on the open up the windows, Vent + Fan, this will be very cooling.
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normal island and peninsular house. I went up to the roof when we did the renovations, no insulation. at that time, no budget for insulation cause of costs overrun and lousy contractors who messed up stuff.

only my bathrooms and kitchen has the ventilation fan. did not think to put it anywhere else.

for ventilation, normally what we do is keep the fan on for a short while and open the windows to circulate the air. its not effective but no other way unless I spend big to do ventilation fans and insulation.
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post Jul 8 2015, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(billylau @ Jul 7 2015, 05:46 PM)
Yea I am facing this bill increase as well. My first two months when I moved in the bill was around 400-500 each month. Just last 3 months, it jumped up to RM1k, RM900, and RM 850 per month... crazy.
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same billy...my first month bill 586, my second month bill 700 plus.
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post Jul 8 2015, 10:57 AM

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would there be any difference between a three phase unit and a single phase unit?
Would this have any effect on the bill even though the electrical items used are pretty much the same?
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post Jul 8 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jul 8 2015, 11:20 AM)
Your RM600+ and RM700+ bill are E bill or N bill ?
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what is an e bill and what is a n bill?
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(enduser @ Jul 8 2015, 11:40 AM)
no diff in terms of tariff used. Just ur advised to upgrade ur power supply to three phase if ur load is exceed 10kW or 50A.
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thanks for the explanation.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 11:49 AM)
Perhaps you want to monitor how your maid use electricity,  is your fridge regularly open for long? And you have any PC running for long hours? 

Sometime small things will add up. e.g.
- if you have downlight of 2 bulbs, it take say 36watt, and switching on for 1 month will use minimal 27 units of electric. 
- cctv, one unit is about 5watt, if you have 4 units is about 20watt, and switch on for 1 month will use about 15 units. DVR may take up another 10 units.
- Vacuum if use 2 hours a week, it may take up to 8 units a month.
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yup, was also worried about the maid, hence the reason why yesterday, I went back home and switched off all the air conditioners via remote and brought it upstairs to my room. at least I now know that the air conditioners down stairs will not be used without my knowledge. I also advised the maid to switch off all unnecessary lights (1 light switch controls 2 18 watt LED downlights) when not in use. this morning, before coming to work, the downstairs was pitch dark. good to know she actually listens to me.

She doesn't know how to use the oven, so I am safe there, anyhow, I unplugged it last night.

She does use the deep fryer and microwave. but we don't deep fry much or for any length of time.

we don't have any cctv yet, but wiring all done.

no pc also. IT illiterate.

vacuum cleaner is a 2800 watt Electrolux. used once in two days to vacuum all the carpets in the house. total time for vacuuming is +/- 2 90 minutes.

Right now I think, my biggest electricity culprit are the air conditioners and the storage water heater.

I made a list of all the big ticket items at home and made a mental note to keep track of the usage of these things.

air-conditioners
storage water heater
water pump
deep fryer
clothes dryer
oven
electric kettle

did I miss out on any other big ticket items?


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post Jul 8 2015, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(enduser @ Jul 8 2015, 12:24 PM)
air-conditioners
storage water heater
water pump
deep fryer
clothes dryer
oven
electric kettle
fridge
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noted on the fridge. we have a 700 plus liter fridge. this cant do much cause will still open and close only when to take stuff out or put stuff in. we have only 1 fridge by the way.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 8 2015, 12:27 PM)
Not to forget also the GST applied after xxx unit  sad.gif

I wonder how come so yours much. I use air con from 10pm also just in bedroom. Hall just use ceiling fan. Got tank water heater also like you on ceiling and switch on during shower only. My kitchen all electricity appliances even for hobs. My electricity around rm90 only.

The only difference here only 1 room occupied  biggrin.gif
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only rm90!!! shocking.gif
wow!!
I have no idea why it can be so much.
but I am taking measures as we speak.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 12:29 PM)
Want to check how frequent the ac being use? open up check the filter. If its use regularly the filter will be dusty. And is good to clean it too.

Your Vacuum take a fair bit. 90mins use is about 4units. That about 32 units a month.

Is your washing machine using hot water? that also take a fair bit.
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the most frequent air conditioners being used are the two upstairs.
the rest rarely unless my maid has been using behind my back.
it shud still be running at optimum since I have only been using it for less than 3 months.

vacuum can do much. I have two very young kids plus a cat. so the vacuuming is a must for the cat hair and spilled food.
nope. washing machine no hot water. in fact, the only areas in the house with access to how water are the 3 upstairs bathrooms.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jul 8 2015, 12:30 PM)
As explained by enduser.

It's difficult to pin point which appliances are the root cause for the hike in electricity bill unless one is living in your house to make the observation.
But it's pretty easy to find out yourself.
Just list out the WATTAGE of each electrical appliances x the duration of usage.
High wattage appliances and long or frequent usage are usually the culprit. 

Since your mentioned the hike in electricity bill is after you shifted from condo to DSL, I can only guess these possible reasons:
1) Bigger area which requires more lighting, cooling and heating.
Eg, you have added 30+ 18w LED down light, how many are switched on and what's the duration ??  You also added additional storage tank heater on separate rooms, which means you need to heat up 50+35 ltr of water instead of 50 ltr only previouly.

my reply: down lights closed during the day. at night, at most, 6 downlights are switch on at night. after everyone goes to sleep, the house is pitch dark.
in terms on storage water heater, the old condo had 1 50 liter unit, at my new place, we have one 35 liter and one 50 liter. but the 35 liter hardly use.


2) The water pump surely one of the reason for the bill hike already. 

my reply: spoke to zheine from builders hardware yesterday, the grundfos water pump only switches on shen taps are open and is closed when taps are closed. anyhow, I have started to switch off the water pump at night so it does not run for 24 hours anymore. but let me explain a but more, the water pump is not for a pond or aquarium, it is for water pressure.

3) the 700 ltr fridge is from the old house ??

my reply: yes, from the old house.

4) No modem, router, iron, blender, juicer, bread maker ??

my reply: we do have unifi installed. my maid does iron the clothes which she has been doing even at the old house. blender very rarely used. no juicer no breadmaker but we do have an electric kettle.

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post Jul 8 2015, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 01:07 PM)
If yours a Front loading washing machin,  by default set temperature to 65c (at least for the LG I am using)

Sometime due to requirements/lifestyle we can't reduce electric usage.  Time for a rainbow vacuum cleaner smile.gif
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its a top loading Samsung washing machine. very simple washing machine. no selection for hot or cold.
rainbow vacuum cleaner I borrow from my FIL. too expensive to buy. hence the Electrolux vacuum cleaner.
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post Jul 8 2015, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 01:10 PM)
His reply is correct, if use only switch on. But you wash hand, wash face, brush teeth all short usage will also switch on the pump. That will be usage right? So his answer what you ask, but not what the usage
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true very true.
at the moment I am switching off at night.
but am also seriously considering to switch it on only for showers and to keep it close all other times.
just to be on the safe side.
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post Jul 8 2015, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jul 8 2015, 01:38 PM)
flash toilet, shower (mind you, rain shower), wash dishes, preparing food, wash car, mop floor, boil water....let's assume pump running on average 100min a day and it's a 700w pump, then the monthly additional energy cost + GST + 1.6% KWTBB is around RM20
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my water pump is 500watt
agreed on the suggestions given by everyone. will most probably off the water pump and only use it for the rain shower
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post Jul 8 2015, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jul 8 2015, 01:49 PM)
sorry cant understand lol..

got example?
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my rain shower is 15 inch by 15 inch for 1 head. I have two shower heads.
so I needed to change all the piping to make sure sufficient water flow and add a water pump so gain optimum use of the rain shower.
as for the water pump, there are smaller water pump that may be suited for just a rain shower, but my water pump connects to all my bathrooms upstairs.

the instant water heater will give you hot water, but it cannot be considered as a rain shower and may not have enough pressure.

This post has been edited by ajai@jakes: Jul 8 2015, 01:57 PM
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post Jul 8 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 8 2015, 01:56 PM)
500w (0.5kw x 3 hours for full day x 30 days = 45kwh x 0.256 right = Rm11.52 x 6%GST = Rm12.22 already per month
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I can still accept that amount as it expected such an increase due to the rain shower.

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