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 【Micro Four Thirds】Olympus & Panasonic Thread V7, Stay tuned for m4/3 news in Photokina!

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post Jul 17 2015, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 16 2015, 11:26 PM)
infinite loop among photography enthusiasts: size -> image quality -> size -> image quality  wacko.gif

12-32 should be sharper than 12-50. If one doesn't need the extra 2mm wide, X14-42 seems to be a better choice among the kit lens.

i bet you will use the G6 just for interim arrangement, meanwhile waiting for G7?  biggrin.gif
here is an user experience sharing on M43 system: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=4079364
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Infinite loop rclxub.gif biggrin.gif

G7? Yes, why Not? Looks so nice, and also looking forward to GX8...INFINITE LOOP! rclxms.gif ha ha.. drool.gif


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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 19 2015, 09:30 AM)
M43 advantage for me is the small n very light setup with great features. Why bother with dslr for casual shoots?
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Very good and valid point there, which I had finally realised sweat.gif Unless of course, the aps-c sized dslr has decreased in size to match the m4/3 mirrorless, like the sony a6000. Now that GX8 has finally done it, the other camps will surely follow suit.
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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 19 2015, 09:30 PM)
A LOOK AT THE NEW PANASONIC LUMIX GX8

Last few days I have been learning everything I can about the new Panasonic Lumix GX8, I want to share some thoughts with you guys. I am a Panasonic user with extensive use on the GX1, GX7, GH3 and GH4.

First, what catch me off guard is the GX8 is not design as a replacement for GX7. The size and specs have jump so much that it is more comparable with the GH4 with advanced video features removed. So this is a great news for still photographers who wanted a PRO features such as weather sealing that is previously only available with the GH4 but don't want to pay a premium for video features that they don't need.

GX series are like MARIO BROS, who after eat a mushroom will grow bigger, eat another one will become even more powderful, that's the evolution of GX1, GX7 to GX8.

The GX8 is big, and quite heavy as comparison to other m43 cameras and even APS-C mirrorless. The reason why Panasonic has make it so is because as I said before, it is not a GX7 replacement. It is more a new camera, designed specifically for still photographer and most importantly, must be able to compete with the upcoming Sony A7000 and Fuji X-PRO2 which both have the same rangefinder style form factor. These 2 cameras from the rivals are rumors to have a brand new sensor, something around 28mp to 30mp. I am not here to debate about megapixels, but it is wise as business and marketing sense to use the new 20mp sensor. This sensor is also rumored to be made by Sony. It is unfortunate that Olympus choose not to use it in the EM5 II but I am quiet sure you will see it in EM1 II.

Not only does it need to compete with the upcoming A7000 and X-PRO2, it must also compete with the current Olympus E-M1 and Fuji X-T1. That's why you have features such as higher megapixels, splash and dust proof, huge EVF with 0.77 magnification, high burst rate, in-body image stabilization 4k video, etc. These specs already matches and exceed the EM1 and XT1. But the catch is these cameras are old and will be replaced very soon and GX8 must be able to "future proof" itself to be able to compete with at least 4 future cameras (A7000, XPRO2, EM1 II, XT2)!

Even comparing it to GH4, the GX8 exceeds in many aspects when it comes to still photography.

1. In-Body Image Stabilization that works in conjunction with lens IS! This make a lot of sense since many lenses already have 2-axis stabilization, the sensor can do a more easier job to provide another 2-3 axis stabilization. The GH4 doesn't have any IBIS.

2. Large EVF! 0.77x magnification vs only 0.67x of GH4 and in 4:3 aspect ratio.

3. 20 megapixels vs 16 megapixels. We will see how dxomark rate this new sensor. But if it is made by Sony and not in-house by Panasonic, it should be good. As long as it can maintain the noise level and dynamic range, you get some bonus resolution in return. This is good because m43 is 4:3 aspect ratio, if you shoot 3:2 on a 16mp pixels, you get only 14 effective megapixels. But now with 20mp, you can get about 17.5mp.

What remains advantages for GH4 is higher burst rate and longer battery life. The grip of GH4 is also expected to be better but the million dollar question is how well the GX8 feels on hand. I am very picky when it comes to camera ergonomics, I have to admit that GX7 grip sucks. But at the same time, I would also says EM1, EM5 and XT1 grips sucks too especially with heavier lenses. The Sony A7 and A7 II grips well, so as Sony A6000. The G and GH series grips very well. A look at the GX8 grip, it is quite big and the camera is tall enough so there are room for you to rest your pinky finger (there is no room to rest your pinky finger with EM1). What surprise me is they don't make the grip curve in slightly for the index finger which they did on all G and GH series and also what Sony did on A7 series. If GX8 grips well, it will be the perfect camera.

So far I am very happy with Panasonic decision to go such as big step up for the GX8. They learned a hard lesson from the GX7 that doesn't sell well. But for those who own the GX7 and like the small form factor, keep it! As I said again, this is not GX7 replacement. But for those who plan to buy a GH4 but doesn't want to shoot video or just need basic video, better wait for the GX8 because it can save you a lot of money with better specs (megapixels, IBIS, bigger EVF, etc)!

The price is quoted as US$1,200 but we can always get it cheaper here. I hope the price will be around RM3,200 to RM3,400. This price allow competition with the 4 future rival cameras that I mentioned above. For comparison, the GH4 is around RM4,650.

This is what I think about GX8, what about you? I would like to hear your opinion.
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Just looking at the external features of the GX8 has already won me over. I had been searching deep into my style and I find that the features of the GX8 is what I have been craving for. Whatever comes with it like the 4k video (not that important) and the IBIS and if this is comparable to OMDs that would make the GX8 a real beast! The upgrade in sensor from 16 to 20mp is most welcome, considering the competition (other than m4/3 of course) is far ahead and the will always be ahead since they have APS-C sensor. The GX8 is indeed a quantum leap for the pana line from GX7, which I owned for a brief while but sold off for reasons mentioned earlier. However, like every panasonic that come before it, their prices but heck, the m4/3 prices, when new are also killer! I guess I still have to wait till its prices cool down a bit he he sweat.gif




QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 20 2015, 12:56 AM)
FF is in a totally different league all 2gether. The difference is huge if u r a pro but acceptable if u r just an enthusiast. Advantage the M43 like ep5/epl series is small & portable. It is an excellent 2nd body to a dslr.  biggrin.gif
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All considered, m4/3 size is my preferred size but if APS-C dslr can trim down their weight and size I would go for it too, size is the main factor for me. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 20 2015, 09:58 PM)
Thanks for sharing your views on the GX8, it looks like Panasonic really understand what the photographers want and nail it this time. Now let's hope the price is not too demanding. biggrin.gif
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I won't be expecting too much though, their debut price is more expensive by the model, coupled with our weak ringgit I am sure it will cost a bomb rclxub.gif
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Some photos I took during the Raya holiday trip to Lahad Datu and Sandakan in Sabah.

Gears: GF1 + 20mm f1.7 with light pp in Photo Editor app Android tablet.

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 21 2015, 11:44 PM)
Panasonic is really fast this time. Final production set already available.

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JPG and RAW samples:
http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/pa...mix_gx8_photos/
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The GX8 has many things done right this time and becoming the 1st m4/3 body to feature a big leap to 20mp! It's exciting really. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 22 2015, 03:11 PM)
Lightroom cannot open the RAW files, still cannot evaluate the noise performance of the 20mp sensor  tongue.gif
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I did a bit of info-digging on the gx8 today and the beast is much larger and heavier? I wonder what justify this? It's features is nonetheless on par with Em5?
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 22 2015, 05:25 PM)
The last shot the best!
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Thanks mate! With the 20/1.7 on the GF1 I am still able to crop the photo, the 20/1.7 is a gem.
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This might be handy for someone who shoots a lot on tripod and also for those occasional shoots. Check it out. It's an interesting product.

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QUOTE(merajey @ Jul 23 2015, 09:41 AM)
wowww..GF1 can be considered as vintage already. Time goes by. Anyone know what is the picture resolution of the upcoming 20 mpx GX8?
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Isn't 20mp the picture resolution, bumped up from the previous 16? It's a whole new sensor yo!



QUOTE(ken_jr @ Jul 23 2015, 09:57 AM)
At first, I thought this was underwater shot. Then enlarge only saw the mudskipper..  biggrin.gif my eyesight needs checking..
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I had to lean over the bridge with my hands far extended out to take this shot, cropped it and it still look sharp enough, thats from the GF1 and 20/1.7, considered vintage? Ha ha thumbup.gif
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New toy just arrived he he

And the G6 too, love the size.


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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 23 2015, 04:29 PM)
Thanks for the tip bro.

A brief test reveal that this little lens (smaller than the 20mm and perhaps smaller than the diminutive 14mm) AF very very fast too!

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 23 2015, 10:39 PM)
Can manual focus on old body? MF only for pana body?
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The 12-32, to keep it small, I think Panasonic sacrificed the manual focus for it's size, afterall, it's a kit lens anyway. There's no MF on this little gem, not directly. There are people saying that MF is available on GX7 body through the keypad, but I think that's ridiculous using MF through a keypad. I might as well use zoom and touch AF, if I need to. If you insist on MF, get a prime instead yo! The 12-32 for what it is, well worth it. I would probably use it's widest end ie 12mm most of the time, since this is the main reason I buy it he he sweat.gif Vs the Olympus 12mm prime, its a steal! rclxm9.gif

Edit: I found this video shared by someone on the DPR forum on how to do MF (sort of) on the GM1, I haven't tried it on G6 yet.

Here's the video link: MF on 12-32 with GM1

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 24 2015, 12:19 PM)
the MF experience looks awful  rclxub.gif
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I agree nod.gif Why would I want critical focus if it can nail focus almost all the time? If one needs it, can always use the touch screen to move the focus point or use spot metering on the subject needed for focus, obtain focus by half-press and re-frame to shoot. I find the touchscreen focus works the best for this.

I guess the majority of us will seldom use MF unless doing close-focusing or macro shoot, or perhaps long-distance focusing.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 24 2015, 12:19 PM)
the MF experience looks awful  rclxub.gif
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I did experimented with the G6 and indeed the G6 can use the MF zoom function to focus but its a real hassle, focus can be achieved with focus-peaking. Pinpoint AF is much faster.

I also find that the G7 is much much larger unit than the G6, see below picture (courtesy of ephotozine)





QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 24 2015, 05:11 PM)
The Panasonic lens OIS provide 2-axis stabilization. The camera sensor IBIS provides the other 4 axis. So total 6 axis. But don't give this shit too much weight, what matter is practical real life test when people get this camera in hands. So wait for the reviews first.  tongue.gif

p/s the GX7 has 2-axis IBIS but not effective and quite useless.
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Can't wait to see how is the effectiveness of these new implementation. The GX7 IBIS is indeed disappointing that I just turn it off when I was using it.

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 24 2015, 06:32 PM)
how is the IQ of the new lens?  smile.gif
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Haven't been able to find enough time to test it out yet, but initial random test shots shows this tiny lens is as good as if not better than it's brethren the 14mm, quite promising. Relinquishing the 14mm and get this one instead I would say, not only you gain the extra width of 4mm equiv but also versatility up to 64mm! But as for me, I want it as a 12mm lens and for it's value, I would dare say, it's a big bargain! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 24 2015, 07:56 PM)
good for u then  smile.gif  smile.gif i stick my current oly kit of 12-42 (not using), 40-150 and 20mm.. still unsure whether to get myself a potrait lens  for my nikon (85 f2), leica m (voigt 75mm f1.8) and oly (75mm 1.8) mount  rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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Yup, intelligent choices you have, that trio should last you quite some time rclxms.gif


QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 24 2015, 08:35 PM)
as usual, pana lens is more friendly to pana body  sweat.gif

wow, the G7 grip is much bigger than the G6.
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Obviously much bigger yes? Quite scary just looking at it? hmm.gif

It seems Panasonic camp is slowly moving towards larger bodies? rclxub.gif
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I manage to spare a bit of time late afternoon +/-5pm with evening sun as the background light source yesterday to grab the few shots in my backyard with 12-32 on the G6, mostly at the long end of 32mm, no pp, handheld, no flash, not the best but there's potential.


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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 27 2015, 07:18 PM)
I like the first photo the best... Perhaps u shd use some post process software like rawtherapee or Adobe to process the the fotos to give the maximum oomph  flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif
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Thanks bro! Glad that you mentioned!

Will surely try them out.
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[quote=BOTAK_WAI,Jul 27 2015, 08:57 PM]
Noise control 0?

32mm surely not enough tongue.gif





Yes agreed, 32mm definitely not enough, but how it turned out on the 1st pic taken without any support and no flash, it's not bad at all. If properly processed, it should give better results.

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