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post Aug 15 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 13 2015, 11:03 PM)
Price really can swing up and down like mad.
You see EISC , KGF also same.

So can we say better lock in our profit the next time they show 15-20% ROI rather
than holding them waiting for 30% ROI or more and risking all this mad swings?
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You need to let the profit runs. I have done some backtest and locking up profits along the way performs slightly lower than letting the profits run up with a trailing stop.
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post Aug 17 2015, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Aug 17 2015, 03:33 PM)
anyone top up today? KLCI still going downwards
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Don't catch a falling knife. Don't know how low it will go. I'm waiting for it to turn back up before go in.
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post Aug 17 2015, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Aug 17 2015, 05:44 PM)
Eh Pink Spider, when I posted this asset allocation a few months ago, I had the impression that most of the young investors here are 100% into equity funds.  smile.gif Therefore I am now still suggesting a 80/20 ratio as recommended by most finance books.

IMHO, for young investors (i.e. anyone below 40 years old) with a long term investing horizon, 80/20 is still acceptable. For older investors (i.e. 40 years and above), they may wish to consider a higher bond ratio depending on their projected retirement age.
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I'm using 80/20 for my kids, 60/40 for myself and 30/70 for my parents.
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post Aug 18 2015, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Aug 18 2015, 04:25 PM)
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another day where there is only a sea of red except for KLCI.

Shall we put everything in FD and go to sleep?
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Red is good. Give you more opportunity.
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post Aug 21 2015, 02:16 PM

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My main portfolio IRR at 6.5% based on 19/8/15 price. Main gainer and hitter are CIMB GTF 17.7% IRR, EI Small Cap 9.9% IRR, TA GTF 5.58% ROI, AMB Ethical -19.91% IRR, AMB Dividend -7.3% ROI

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post Aug 21 2015, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 21 2015, 02:26 PM)
rclxms.gif still got 6.5%  notworthy.gif
if compared to last month.....IRR got dropped?
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A month ago IRR was 6.75%
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post Aug 21 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 21 2015, 02:46 PM)
wow...that is great....
last month got China rout, Yuan depreciation, RM sharp drops (EISC & KGF dropped alot)....cause not much drop in your portfolio.... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
high allocation in GTF???  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Not really, only 10%. I have 14 funds in my largest portfolio. Biggest drop in IRR are from EI Small Cap -10.35%, CIMB GCF -7.72% and RHB Emerging Opportunity -6.3%. CIMB GTF gain only 3.5% and Ponzi 2.0 2.8%. Remember this is 2+ years portfolio, IRR would not drop much due to past profit taking.
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post Aug 21 2015, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 21 2015, 03:56 PM)
When low, keep buying

When high, don't buy

Ini motto FSM whistling.gif

But but but, when will the lows stop becoming lower?

When will the highs start reversing?

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Don't try to time the bottom or top. Profit from the moves in the middle. For me, I would wait till it started to go back up again before buy. May fall for bull trap sometimes but better than try catching a falling and ends up drying your cash reserve.
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post Aug 21 2015, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 21 2015, 06:55 PM)
notworthy.gif  thanks for the tips....I did not aware of this....
(just realised that, the longer the investment years, it needs a bigger % of movement to have an impact on the IRR%)
pai-seh...getting lower by the days.... blush.gif
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Is this your combined portfolio IRR? You said before that you have them in various beneficiary accounts.
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post Aug 21 2015, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 21 2015, 07:22 PM)
How Do You Identify When To "Buy Low, Sell High"? [12 Apr 2013] April 12, 2013
When it comes to investing, the rule of thumb is to ā€œbuy low, sell highā€, but it is easier said than done. The question is: how do you identify whether the market is ā€œlowā€ or ā€œhighā€? 
Author : Fundsupermart.com
When it comes to investing, the rule of thumb is to ā€œbuy low, sell highā€, but it is easier said than done. The question is: how do you identify whether the market is ā€œlowā€ or ā€œhighā€?

Investors often base their judgment of market lows and highs by looking at the market index level. But a focus on the market index level is the cause of market sentiment, which is often irrational and short-sighted.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3346

"Buy Low, Sell High" is a Lie.
By  Steve Reitmeister 
September 6, 2013 2:44 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/buy-low-sell...-184456863.html

Why doesn't buy low sell high beat the market?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...18163802AA4N4hI

Buy Low, Sell High? Easy If You Know How
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mitchelltuchma...f-you-know-how/
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Actually it is easier to profit from buy high, sell higher.
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post Aug 23 2015, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 21 2015, 07:25 PM)
yes,..only my portfolio.....
btw,..have not come to set up the beneficiary a/c yet....
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I've 5 beneficiary accounts LOL. I only quote 1 of the account as it contain the bulk my funds.
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post Aug 23 2015, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 21 2015, 07:33 PM)
rclxms.gif
hmm.gif but as pink just hinted...."When will the highs start reversing?"  biggrin.gif
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You will need to know when a trend has been established and then go in. Usually thru a breakout. Equity spent most of the time going up, so when it goes up, probability of it going up higher is more than it is going to reverse down in the longer term. In short term there are plenty of wiggle, so can ignore them.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 22 2015, 11:35 PM)
notworthy.gif thanks T231H for highlighted this predicament...
I did not see that coming.... now I am dumbfounded ...just don't know what to say anymore.  doh.gif
I think will need to do a quantum leap to the portfolio ROI....cannot go by the usual diversified portfolio liao, even given enough time (cos the IRR just "distributes it" evenly)... sweat.gif
(Recalled this saying......If continue to do as usual...the usual results will be achieves)

with the almost Risk Free Rate of about 3.5% in FD,....5.8% in EPF and (low risk) of RHB Islamic bond versus the risk taken in a diversified EQ portfolio.....just how much more ROI % or IRR% of returns on a diversified EQ portfolio is justified?

go for concentrated FULL firepower on Bolehland EQ (after there is a change of *M, and oil price starts to moves up) ?
or guess this thing about EQ 20%: FI 80% (as in page#66, post# 1320) is good to follow liao??....
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How diversified is your entire net asset? When in retirement, it is recommended that you have a 3-tiered portfolio strategy, short term target distribution such as FD, cash, money market etc. that can last for 2 years of expense, a mid-term balanced of stock and bond for 2-10 years need and lastly long term growth portfolio mainly in global equity. On top of that you need to have insurance in the form of gold. It is also good to have passive income from rental return if you like property.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 23 2015, 11:50 PM)
hmm.gif  doh.gif so with that, I think many people cannot have retirement....
hmm.gif can it be YKLooi just wanted to maximise the returns of his investment....?
I think, he is hinting that, in the next 2 yrs,...his portfolio IRR would not be above IRR 6%
cos,....I think he know that in the next 2 yrs, (as pointed by T231H)...his UT investment ROI cannot get 10%pa
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This is after you reach your retirement age and assume that you have enough cash to retire. From there you keep aside 2 years of expense. Why 2 years. Usually it will take 2-3 years for market crash to turn around. With enough cash, you don't need to sell your investment at low price to cover daily expense. Also if you cut lost your investment when market started to crash, you would have enough cash to buy at near bottom and ride it up.


QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2015, 11:52 PM)
gold as insurance?  hmm.gif
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Yes actually. The recommendation is 5-10% of net asset in gold bullion. People will buy gold in global financial disaster causing the price to soar. That actually offset the fall in your stock and bond. Also gold can be used to as hedge for the collapse in currency. Are you aware that about 8 months ago when gold was about $1200 per oz., UOB is selling paper gold at about RM127 per gram? Recently gold went down to $1100 per oz. but UOB is selling them around Rm136 per gram. Now gold is at $1150 per oz. but UOB is selling them around Rm157 per gram. Ringgit down, no worry because you got gold as insurance.

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 24 2015, 11:44 PM)
Panic, Judgment Day, Carnage, Meltdown, Fearful, Depressing, Psychologically draining, Wired.....

Any other words to describe global stock rout?
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Buying opportunity!!
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QUOTE(dirtinacan @ Aug 26 2015, 09:51 AM)
anyone bought AMPRECIOUS METALSĀ  must be smiling to their ears. hehe
I didn't buy though. lol
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Why not? It is 4% of my portfolio. Going to make it 10% as I believe gold company stocks will rise significantly in the next 1 year or more. Forgot to mentioned that my ROI is now 7.35%, up from around -32% couple of weeks ago.

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post Aug 27 2015, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2015, 05:18 PM)
heheh - like i said, no absolutes (right/wrong).
I dont begrudge people from making a living
Just that if i myself sweat a bit more and can "pay myself" that 1.5%-2%pa - whoa..

Notice i didn't even compare "entry cost" - each vehicle has it's uses.
Each person may use a vehicle very differently
Those with businesses and/or high flying /paying jobs - i guess no point DIY into ETFs & stocks
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kuli like me heheh - hard earned $ leh, i must be like sniper (headshot!) when possible to ensure best deployment of bullet given what is known
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For me stock/ETF/ETN/options/Forex are just 10% of my net worth and I'm using them to grow my net worth beyond what UT can deliver. If I lost that 10%, it would be painful but would not affect my retirement. UT formed 47% of my net worth.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2015, 11:47 AM)
energy / petroleum companies still down leh  brows.gif
CVX (Chevron or locally AKA Caltex): ttm PE 11+/-, forward PE 13+/-, Net DY% 4.10%+/- (after 30% tax); bought in yesterday night, thus know a bit more details on CVX;
XOM (ExxonMobil or locally AKA Mobil.. er.. now gone from MY): ttm PE 12+/-, forward PE didn't check
BP
etc etc
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Did you get a bargain on CVX? Big 5 oil companies are still running with cash deficits for the last 10 years and oil is not bottom yet with Saudi/OPEC cranking up supply to maintain market share, Iran oil coming out soon and US shale oil producers increasing supplies to service their debts. Supply is more than demand now.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2015, 08:23 PM)
Got it at ultra-low $70s and it's my 1 of 6 opportunity bullets for 6 months.
Yup, as i shared pros/cons - i dunno where's the bottom & the stockpile, but cycles being cycles..  sweat.gif
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Good for you. I'm betting on gold for the next couple of years. This sector is very cheap, oversold and hated. A very good setup for contrarian play. Good junior gold miners would be setup for big gain. In accumulation mode now.
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Aug 28 2015, 09:52 AM)
Hmmmmm correction done?
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Could be just a dead cat bounce... hmm.gif

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