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post Oct 25 2016, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(CuteDay @ Oct 24 2016, 09:02 PM)
Hey thanks for the reply.

I didn't work at all from Jan 2015 until sept 2015 and after that i went to Dubai. I didnt fill any income declaration in 2016. Will I get penalised for this?
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Once you have file, you need to declare every year, even though you may not be subjected to any tax or your gross taxable income is below the threshold.

Annual declaration is a must.
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post Dec 5 2016, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(klthor @ Dec 1 2016, 02:38 PM)
that is why normally i tried to avoid to use 'foreign income not taxable', because the key word is not foreign income or local income. the key word is where you perform your work to earn that income.... we have discussed on this issue multiple time in LYN forum, i guess some1 should create a topic specially on this and make it sticky. so remember the key word and do not look at who pay you, where you receive your pay or what currency.... just look at where you PERFORM YOUR WORK. well there are exceptional industries just as shipping, insurances etc etc but that sums it all. and remember to think of exporter in malaysia, do they pay tax?
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A lot of people mis-interpret the foreign income definition as "paying by foreign company", this is incorrect and out of context.

Foreign income in tax term is the income generated at foreign place, aka you work at foreign place and being paid.
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post Dec 6 2016, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(mamamia @ Dec 6 2016, 07:58 AM)
But, if u hire by local co and the co send u to oversea to work for 1 year, is the 1 year income taxable? I thought we need to see where is the co too..

2 different scenario..

1st: contract worker with local co and work performed oversea, salary paid by oversea co..

2nd: contract worker with local co and work performed oversea, salary paid by local co..
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The kind of scenario is best to get answer from LHDN.
We can't simply define tax resident situation ourself.

Sometimes it may fall into ambiguous grey area.
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post Dec 6 2016, 05:55 PM

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http://lampiran.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/PR6_2011.pdf
Example 18 gives close example.
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Example 18
Johan, a Malaysian citizen is an employee of the Malaysia External Trade
Development Corporation. He was posted to Chengdu, China to serve at
the representative office as a trade commissioner. His period of stay in
Malaysia/China was as follows:
Period Of Stay In Malaysia/China Number Of Days
1.1.2009 - 31.5.2009 (Malaysia) 151
1.6.2009 - 31.12.2009 (China) 214

1.1.2010 - 31.12.2010 (China) 365
For the years of assessment 2009 and 2010, Johan is deemed a resident
of Malaysia pursuant to subsection 7(1B) of the ITA 1967 because he:
INLAND REVENUE BOARD MALAYSIA
RESIDENCE STATUS
OF INDIVIDUALS

Public Ruling No. 6/2011
Date of Issue: 16 May 2011
Issue: A Page 18 of 19
i. is a citizen of Malaysia;
ii. is employed in the service of a statutory authority in Malaysia;
and
iii. is exercising his employment outside Malaysia as he is required by
his employer
, a statutory body in Malaysia, to work in China.
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post Dec 6 2016, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(mamamia @ Dec 6 2016, 06:40 PM)
Ur answer above is what my understanding too.. that's y I'm curious on why is the place of work determine whether the income is taxable or not.. resident status n non resident status is just to determine the income tax rate to be pay..

For the scenario I given is just exactly what my friend have.. he is engineer who is consider as "freelance", he can be unemployed for few months.. his work is from local recruitment agencies who recommend work to him at oversea. Some project is china co pay salary to him, some is through agency. My advice to him is his income is taxable since his contract is with local agency even his salary is pay by oversea co unless he can get the oversea co to issue a employment letter to him.

So, after i read the other sifus here mentioned is based on where the work performed, which is different with my understanding, that's y I try to ask further so that sifus here can advise..
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It is about how and where the income is derived.

Employed locally, with local company, send to overseas to perform job, highly it is taxable here. As the income derived from work done to the local company, aka under local company employment. See example 18 posted.

If the person is freelancer, and go overseas and being employed by overseas company, then surely it is considered foreign derived income, unless the freelancer do set up local company or engage with local company before giving service to overseas company, which is another story.

Employment status/letter does have a major influence on top of tax resident status of 182 days.

The 100% confirm on foreign income, is the person go outside him/herself, and being employed by overseas company and not perform job in Malaysia for 182 days, it surely will be deemed as foreign income from Malaysia pov, which is tax exempted. But the income is subjected to the foreign country tax.

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post Dec 7 2016, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(oOoproz @ Dec 7 2016, 04:35 PM)
Hello Sifu, I wish to confirm whether small business and yearly income not exceeding 2.5m is exempted from tax?
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Since when small business is exempted from tax?

Just SME with paid up capital less than 2.5 mil, their first 500K profit is taxed at 19% instead of 24%.
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post Dec 15 2016, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Dec 15 2016, 12:24 PM)
Ask him about the exempted foreign income on their website before you really decide to declare that survey income..

You are not under employment for this survey stuff so the previous post they mention it's totally different..
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You are reside here, and doing survey to make an income that remitted from foreign county, means you derived income here so local tax applied.

Nothing to do with employment in this issue.
It is about where you derived the income.
Quite straight forward.

Similar to online business that individual selling goods to overseas and make an income that received in foreign currency, which is taxable here.

The previous grey area is when the person performing the job at overseas, and not fulfill the tax resident status of 182 days, which is totally different issue.

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post Dec 15 2016, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(klthor @ Dec 15 2016, 02:20 PM)
hahha.... and the debate continues, ppl just dont feel like reading all the previous posts and start on their own assumption on 'foreign income' over again.
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This is quite common mis-interpretation by common public.
May be we should make a pinned FAQ post so that we don't need to repeat posting the same issue again. smile.gif
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post Dec 23 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Dec 23 2016, 11:36 AM)
Can I know what is defined by annual income? Let say my salary is 3k before all epf sosco. So my annual income is 3k x 12 = 36k?
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Yup.

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post Jan 6 2017, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(loongzai2 @ Jan 6 2017, 04:24 PM)
Hi Guys , for this year budget 2017 regards internet subscription claim. if the bill under my parent name but i pay, can i claim for next year?
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Name must be same.
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post Jan 8 2017, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(CounteReborn @ Jan 8 2017, 07:10 PM)
Hi Everyone,

Didi joined this society for almost 1 year, I know the income tax is hitting me soon.
I'm just wondering if I should declare all the income tax myself OR I should just get one accountant outside to do it?

**Somehow I wanted to declare myself, but Idk how
Please enlighten the boy here  icon_question.gif
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If amount is not too big, and income is quite simple for personal, self declaration may be enough, as it is relative simple.

But if income source is variety with complexity in income declaration and claiming relief, engage a tax consultant may save the hassle but at a cost.


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post Jan 15 2017, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(menmissed @ Jan 15 2017, 06:01 PM)
Hi experts, I read a thread saying that we don't have to pay any tax on foreign income generated in overseas paid by a foreign company even u r a tax residents that stay more than 182 days in Malaysia. Is this still valid?

When the money pay out from the origin country, the monies I receive will be net of tax from the origin country right?

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The status of "foreign income" is not simply receiving money from foreign company.
You need to be clear about the status of the "foreign income" in the first place.

You perform the work at overseas?
You are assigned the job from here?
etc.

You need specific details of the so called "foreign income" before anyone can comment whether it is indeed a foreign income (that is tax exempted) or not in the fist place.




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post Jan 15 2017, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(menmissed @ Jan 15 2017, 06:29 PM)
There is a mix of the 2, i can either perform the work there or here I Malaysia. In the start, I will perform the work in Malaysia, job assigned from the foreign company. The company operate in that country.

Is this helpful?
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This is considered income derived in Malaysia, not a foreign income, despite you are paid by foreign company in foreign currencies.
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post Jan 23 2017, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(edwardccg @ Jan 23 2017, 12:32 AM)
Hi all, want to ask for following situation.

If one is working in oversea and salary is paid into saving account in foreign country. He is paying income tax in that country.

1. Does he need to pay malaysia income tax?

2. If he wire transfer money to his malaysia saving account. Does the amount consider an "income" in malaysia? So need to declare ?

3. If he wire transfer money to his parent account for parent living cost. Does it consider an "income" to the parent? Is there a need to declare?
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In this situation, then it is a foreign income source, as the income has been taxed at foreign country.

1) No need.

2) As it is a foreign income, so it is tax exempted and he is not a tax resident of Malaysia as well.

3) No, it is not an income for the parent.

But do keep those foreign income source documentation for future reference, as it is the proof to show those are foreign income.
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post Mar 19 2017, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 19 2017, 05:42 PM)

2) If taxable usually at max rate, you no need to pay or declare unless your tax bracket is higher than the max rate of 25% I think.
You should refer a dividend voucher. In fact, if your tax bracket is lower, you can claim back the difference.
3) You need to list out a P&L statement. Do refer to the guide that posted somewhere earlier here.
Maybe this could here: http://mytaxation.blogspot.my/2009/03/what...aimed-from.html
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This is history already.

Since 2014, all dividend are on single tier system already, no more imputation system.

Single tier - already taxed at company level, and tax exempted in the hand of receivers.
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ Apr 1 2017, 09:56 AM)
Income remitted from outside Malaysia

Income tax Malaysia starting from Year of Assessment 2004 (tax filed in 2005), income derived from outside Malaysia and received in Malaysia by a resident individual is exempted from tax.For example, if you take up a job while overseas and you only receive the payment for the job when you are back in Malaysia.

Does this rule apply to those selling bitcoin at US based exchange for cash ?
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This kind of question has been asked 12343 times already.

Derived = where you are or where you performed the job to earn the income, not about where you sell to.

If you are in Malaysia and a tax resident Malaysia, disregard where you sell your stuff, or wherever server/online platform based or to whom, it is considered derived in Malaysia, and subjected to Malaysia tax.
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 10 2017, 08:06 PM)
If working with China company at home and receive the payment(annual income less than RM 34000) every months via Paypal to Maybank. Need lapor income tax?

But saw this ;

However, with effect from the year of assessment 2004, income received in Malaysia from outside Malaysia is exempted from tax. Hence, an individual, either or non-resident, is taxable only on income accruing in or derived from Malaysia.

http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...=5000&bt_sequ=2
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The ruling does not apply on your situation.
It only applied on those working abroad aka derived the income at overseas.

You work here and derived income in Malaysia, so you are subjected to Malaysia tax.
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ Jun 29 2017, 10:03 AM)
Hi sunny , I just want inquire if the income comes from outside malaysia (like selling bitcoin/e-book at amazon)  and later remit back to Malaysia bank basedaccount. do we need to declared or not . because i google around " With effect from the year of assessment 2004, income derived from outside Malaysia and received in Malaysia by a resident individual is exempted from tax"
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Income derived overseas /= money come from overseas

Income derived outside Malaysia means you make the work at overseas, and earn an income.
Just because the money is remitted from overseas, it doesn't mean translate as income derived at overseas.
If it is, then all export company do not to pay tax already, as their proceed money also remitted from overseas.

If you are resident Malaysia, and perform the selling from Malaysia, then your income is deemed derived in Malaysia and the income is subjected to tax.
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ Jun 29 2017, 10:31 AM)
This what I got from Bitcoin thread:- Malaysia's government stand on cryptocurrencies is still very vague. There's no law regarding this and investors are unsure what type of tax is involved.

The only available "vague" stand is the statement issued by BNM in 2014 : http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_anno...t&ac=49&lang=en

another comment-Capital gains – Capital gains are not taxed in Malaysia, except for gains derived from the disposal of real property or on the sale of shares in a real property company. The rate is 30% for such disposals of property made within three years after the date of acquisition.

Not sure if crypto is deemed to be a capital asset or not, "gray" area maybe

And I also i not doing export -import company
thats why i asking sunny zombie for clearer picture
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If transaction is done frequently, it may be deemed as trading, and trading gain is subjected to tax.
Yes, I agreed there is a grey area between capital gain and trading.

The reason I bring out the export company is to highlight that money remitted from overseas means nothing or has no relation to the definition of "tax exempted on income derived outside Malaysia". smile.gif
So the ruling of tax exemption of income derived outside Malaysia cannot apply if one is doing transaction in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ Jun 29 2017, 12:20 PM)
Thank for feedback .  This is a comment that I got from other ktard- As it is right now, cryptocurrencies are a grey area......it is not a legal tender currency, not real estate, not stocks/bonds, not intellectual property......
So unless and until the government (efficient as they are) come up with clear guidelines and probably update an existing Act legally, there is no way for them to tax you.

Remember that capital gains are not taxable in Malaysia.
Selling a bitcoin in Malaysia is no different from selling your mint-condition vintage Pokemon collectible cards to your friend at a profit.......i.e. not taxable
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In term of tax perspective, it doesn't care cryptocurrencies or whatever type of virtual coins, it just said income is subjected to tax (unless stated otherwise like tax exempted income eg dividend, bond interest etc).

You make a profit from an activity (in this case crytocurrencies) ----> income.

Whether the income is subjected to tax or not, then next step is to get clarification of type of income, whether it is tax exempted or not.

Since crytocurrencies income is not mentioned as tax exempted source in the tax ruling, then we need to look at whether it is a capital gain or trading income.

If one is making an income through trading of cryptocurrencies, then it is deemed as trading income.
And in tax ruling, trading income is subjected to tax, this is pretty clear.

But if one is buying cryptocurrencies to keep, later on, its value appreciated and make a profit through it then it may be deemed as capital gain, whereby capital gain is not subjected to tax.

Selling collectible card at a profit, especially if done frequently like shop selling ordinary goods (aka trading), actually it is subjected to tax.
There is never a tax ruling saying selling collectible cards, points or whatever at a profit is not taxable. smile.gif

The grey area is between the trading and capital gain, not about cryptocurrencies or pokemon collectible is not subjected to tax as no tax ruling saying they are tax exempted.




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