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Freezy Mango by FFlava (terrible choice of name) I find 888 being too sweet and minty
LYN OFFICIAL VAPING THREAD V24, Ramadhan Al Mubarak from LYNVaperz
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Jul 13 2015, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 13 2015, 04:51 PM) no big contact .... just some local reseller in china Mailing vape items to Thailand is kind of a gamble isn't it. It's banned there for distribution and there was a case recently regarding vape products.now got vt40 stock, but problem is prices, sole distributor in Malaysia, should ask anyone live in thai, than mail there .... |
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For those taking Five Pawns on a regular basis, not trying to be a party pooper but more knowledge is better than no knowledge. Up till this day, not a single local juice has conduct any testing to the contents of their juices. Five Pawns being a very popular brand has been in the spotlight for the wrong reasons. Read the articles below in regards to the high concentration of Diacetyl/Acetyl Propionyl (DA/AP) which is associated with popcorn lungs (bad bad thing to have).
Read and interpret in your own ways since it's an independent testing and Five Pawns have since refuted those claims. Link to article highlighting the testing that was done by Cloud9: http://ecigarettereviewed.com/Diacetyl-ace...onyl-five-pawns Comment by a redditor on the above article: QUOTE This is a great article. People who say "DA and AP aren't even known to really cause harm and they don't even know if it contributed to popcorn lung" obviously need to wake the fuck up. The levels of DA/AP in the Five Pawns liquids, would make their liquids more dangerous to consume than a cigarette, in terms of damage over time. OB is contracted much quicker than you think. OB is obliterans bronchiolitis aka Popcorn Lung. According to this 2008 study on mice in response to the Popcorn Worker lawsuit[1] damage was mostly done on mice who were exposed to DA at longer periods at lower levels than those at shorter periods but higher levels. The levels were MUCH lower than the levels shown in the release of the Five Pawns results. This is why this issue is much more severe than what people think. Also workers were diagnosed with OB in as little as 8 years, at max, some as little as 2 years due to exposure to DA. This means DA/AP/ACE is a very volitile compound when introduced into the lungs. There is much more studies out there, by very well respected members of Health and Science. Maybe take a look, I'm sure it'll change your mind about vaping ANYTHING with DA/AP/ACE in it. Discussion on the DA/AP contents: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigaret...tyl_and_acetyl/ More discussion on the withdrawal of 5P liquids: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigaret...e_sale_of_five/ Response by 5P: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigaret...ef=search_posts More response by 5P: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigaret...ef=search_posts Forgive me for the copy pasting but I find it helpful to further form your own opinions based on others' discussions and input. We're all vapers and we're just finding alternatives to cigarettes. The funny thing is at least with cigarettes we know they contain a cocktail of chemicals which are known to be harmful to us but we have absolute zero information (apart from PG/VG/Nic of course) in regards to many juices we vape everyday. This should be our focus and our responsibility to self-regulate. Knowing this though, I'll still vape and not shy away from my ADVs. The improved health and absence of smoking related problems is evident that this is a better alternative but why stop there and not make it the definite healthier alternative? Friends and family have stopped smoking entirely thanks to vaping. I'm pretty sure the number will only go up if we provide the right information to deal with all the scares and what-not in regards to vaping. As mentioned, this isn't a scare mongering act but there are reports out there which may/may not be true nevertheless better be safe than sorry. Edit: Spelling. Tagged outdoorxplorer Vail for KIV Edit 2: Just skimmed through what I wrote and it looks like I'm all over the place with my thoughts. I try to get my point across as concise as possible but I'll just leave it as it is. #SHAME *DING DING DING* Edit 3: Just need to add this here though -- more quotes! Don't be too alarmed in regards to the effects of DA/AP for now. In actual fact there isn't a long-term study on vaping available to accurately pinpoint the benefits/hazards of those contents. QUOTE Is atomized DA/AP really harmful? Okay, is Butyric Acid also harmful? Which is more harmful? Answering this is much more important! You guys keep rallying against DA/AP, without knowing the answer to the second question, and you could potentially be leading people to much more harm. Butryic Acid is known to irritate lungs. If you keep pushing people away from DA/AP you're pushing them right into Butyric Acid. Butyric Acid is what flavor companies are using in their DA/AP free offerings. This post has been edited by fauxfides: Jul 15 2015, 01:44 AM |
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QUOTE(nekkidgramma @ Jul 15 2015, 12:55 AM) "Damage over time is worse than cigarette" Do not be too bothered too much by it though. One recent comment raised a good question:"Gambit has the highest reading" "3 diff labs tested them positive" QUOTE This seems like a huge, and possibly irresponsible, waste of time until someone else does the research on whether or not any of this matters. Is atomized DA/AP really harmful? Okay, is Butyric Acid also harmful? Which is more harmful? Answering this is much more important! You guys keep rallying against DA/AP, without knowing the answer to the second question, and you could potentially be leading people to much more harm. Butryic Acid is known to irritate lungs. If you keep pushing people away from DA/AP you're pushing them right into Butyric Acid. Butyric Acid is what flavor companies are using in their DA/AP free offerings. We've got a loooooong way to go! |
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QUOTE(snowdrop89 @ Jul 15 2015, 12:54 AM) hi everyone, trying out a simple vape trickĀ Quick google will give you more ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRrow4EipQIanybody got any tips/tricks to recommend? This post has been edited by fauxfides: Jul 15 2015, 01:07 AM |
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QUOTE(Naqiudin @ Jul 15 2015, 01:18 AM) oh i tot people know already To be honest, what worries me more isn't the content because reasons stated earlier (such as the lack of actual long-term studies and the effects of said chemicals). What worries me is the physical environment of the juice is being brewed. Do they re-use the droppers? Do they clean the bottles thoroughly? Are they gloves involved? Is it done in the bathroom? I'm pretty sure many of these are true or lacking but these are the things that can be controlled and avoided. The current standard price for many juices in the market is really not justifiable. |
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QUOTE(Vail @ Jul 15 2015, 01:45 AM) I like it around 1.4ohms. Haha well said! This is why I always discourage others to stop vaping and smoking when possible. I'm not saying they can't, I'm just saying try not doing either one if they can.On GT2, the difference is the airdraw. Its much more wider than KF4. Yeah ive been following this closely. As well as the suicide bunny dirty lab. I actually keeping my self in the grey zone not supporting both parties. Yes, im still vaping 5P. Why? Because this industry has no standardize regulation. 5P claim the opposite? They might be true. But what happen when the bottle being distributed? Does the liquid it self generate DA after sometimes from chemical reaction? Maybe as well. There are many factor that can cause juice degradation. So yeah in mean time like you've said, KIV. If anyone feel doubtful on what their taking, by all means stop taking it. Cigarette is very bad, Vaping is much healthier. But it doesnt mean that this act is healthy. The best thing to do is to stop vaping and worry about other things such as air polution or maybe your deodorant can cause cancer edit:stupid typos |
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QUOTE(ufaiq @ Jul 15 2015, 10:15 AM) Dear fauxfides, Please don't worry too much about it. As I said, interpret in your own way as what kayent and radical85 stated, the effects of DA/AP is inconclusive. Cuttwood liquids is a similar offender but I religiously vape it as well Thank you for sharing this interesting information and sadly I bought a bottle of castle long two nights ago. What should I do.. Ask for a refund from vapekulture?? QUOTE(radical85 @ Jul 15 2015, 11:10 AM) Sounds to me u are worrying about hygienic manufacturing process instead of the chemical that used as ingredient. That is nothing compared to our Malaysian F&B industry. You're right when it comes to the lack of a hygienic/clean method of handling F&B in Malaysia but always take note that the food ingested via mouth and the things inhaled to your lungs are different. If you've eaten the wrong thing at most times your digestive system will send you to a trip to the homely throne. Lungs however do not have such a system to reject unwanted properties. I'm just guessing however so please feel free to correct me Those DA/AP problem is indeed a serious problem. No one can conclude if its safe to vape or not, at least not till 5-10 years later where they can gather enough data for "long term effect" QUOTE(kayent @ Jul 15 2015, 11:28 AM) just to share: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-07/raba-atr071415.php ://http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...atr071415.php ://http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...1415.php (Six hours of exposure to cigarette smoke resulted in near-complete cell death, but the same exposure to e-cigarette vapor did not affect tissue viability) regarding the AP/DA issue, i think it's rather inconclusive atm. there is insufficient data yet to run a long term test. |
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jul 15 2015, 01:16 PM) ko pegi dry fire ke ape ni, tekan tapi tak isap That's right. But there was another interesting discussion whereby if they don't use DA/AP, the replacement is usually worse. On mobile now so difficult to link it see the back of your charger, does it say 500mA or 1000mA? if it's 2 slots, 1000mA means 500mA for 1 slot (unless it says 1000mA max.. in which case can mean anything lel). so HE2 2600mAh would need 500mA x 5hours to fully charge. so could be many reasons: - charger rated 500mA - cabled rated 500mA (get daiso punya, 900mA at least) - usb plug rated 500mA well basically most "tasty" creamy/bakery ejuices have DA in it. yang tak sedap/not concentrated semua pakai the non-DA alternatives. |
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