Lucky my poison not listed.......

abg gark, would low coal price still contribute to TNB bottom line? coz I think they now have imbalance cost passthru program that pass back the cost variances to the customers

Sure the risk i can take.. risk is not much to me if there's a return.. but if there is a return. I'm not asking anyone to show me how they make money.. but how they know how much to spend. I understand how salaries and FD works - you get RmX.. you spend RmY.. you save RmZ. Next month, same thing happens

But if you are trading.. you make RmX today.. what is the Y and Z ? end of the month how do you pay your bills?

Yes kind of confused
Not a troll just confused lol
OK but what if you have an emergency (like if your house burns down, or you lose your job in a downturn or whatever?)

Ok so you are basically saying that if your house burns down and you lose your job you can survive on that for the rest of your life?
So why do you buy what you buy? like that other guy said "if you bought Frontken at 0.17" but what makes someone think "I'll just buy Frontken at 0.17" ?
So the stocks and bonds that you bought, what made you buy them?

But what if you can't find a new job? what if you are involved in an accident and lose a hand?
I see.
The problem is that I have done some serious studying in the local market, and i have not found, over the past 30 years or so, an investment that will consistently provide better-than-FD yields. In most countries yields (even for stable companies) are much better than FDs (or CDs) but here yields for stable companies are typically lower than FDs. Take for instance the US - CD rates are 0.5% - 1.5%, Yield for something stable like Con Ed is 4.17%. In the UK FD rates are the same, but yield for Royal Mail is 4.46%. In KLSE yield for Tenaga is just over 2%, Pos Malaysia I think is about the same.. but FD rates are 4.2%.

So what is the case for yield investing in the KLSE?

Don't u guys find it creepy and fake when someone writes something cynical yet ends the sentence with a ?

Niasingh u

Nice.. which is why I should be learning from you i guess
Crunched the numbers. If you bought 1000 shares of PBBANK in Jan 1984 (31 years ago), after a lifetime of investing you'd have made over 2,400%, which sounds impressive until you realize it's Rm24,458 or about Rm788 a year, Rm65 a month.

So basically you made Rm65 a month for 31 years. Is that considered a good return?

I don't have a model for DCA yet though.

No idea.. FD rates were quite high then.. around 7 or 8%.. 
Nope.. it's pretty basic for now, maybe later.

Cool.. Pm me or something

Wasoshoweeeeiiiiieh !!!!

Geng!

So how do I make money trading the stock market?
Be a better trader lor...
How do I become a better trader?

Ermmm...... I make sure I get better tipsy from ........... Ah Gark!


   

Buried....nearly miss....


Err...

Undervalued caused by poor performance and cloudy future prospect....

Or

Undervalued caused by very bright future prospect...
Err....

Eeeenie mini mineyyyyyy more......

short sell? jail time waiting

Invest in Rupiah, spend Rupiah nvm

Invest in Rupiah, spend RM or worse, SGD or USD...good luck

Tip sea mana?

by resigning or committing hara-kiri?

See now you get it. But now he's gone and killed the RM, it's crazy undervalued now, do you want to take the risk that he might quit and then what happens to the RM? in any case even if he doesn't, don't you think chances are good that it will appreciate once his term is over?

Also about PBBANK.. I'm a scientist, I go by facts not opinions. Just calculate total return for PPBBANK, compare with Con Ed.. then you will see which turned out to be the better investment in the end.

Right? and the IDR FD guy hasn't contacted me yet, that's surely a possibility to consider

Okay I just went onto the Bloomberg Anywhere just now and I have a set of data. For woodenus, if you successfully guessed the two blue chip companies, then good job! If not, I should disclose my two recommended stocks, YTL and KLCC Stapled.

But before we get down to the numbers, I would also like to point that PBBANK, as the others mentioned is also quite a well-offed company. They have been giving out dividends as frequent as Consolidated Edison. So without further ado, I should first compare Public Bank vs ConEd and of course our KLCI.

Note: All companies' prices and dividend prices are changed to USD to transparently prove which gains are consistently higher or lower.

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For this example, I will turn back to 1987. As you see, ConEd in prices is only up a mere 216%. On a long term scale, it is weaker than pitting the KLCI in terms of gains although this data excludes dividends. Now let us take a look on PBBANK, increased 20 fold since that date itself! It is definitely a strong fundamental stock to begin with. And assuming, you held it since that date itself, for every U$1,000 invested in the stock and exited today, you would have gain U$55,668.50 for every RM1,000 invested. And that also factors in USD adjustments, gains could be higher due to the currency but observe. Now you must telling me, "Stop with this PBBANK", "Other than PBBANK...". I will show you other than PBBANK, let us look at my recommendation,  YTL.

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Once again, this stock outperformed ConEd by a mile. But observe again, this stock is up 42.5 times and 75.5 times including dividends since 1987. Now assuming you sold it in 2013, you could have U$120,000 for every U$1,000 for every gain. Magic no... Now still not convince with KLSE stocks, I will give you another of my US company that I also favoured. But in this time of economy, you will be shocked to find out which company. Loved that since the day I went into the game in 2007...

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First of all, no. I am not trolling. Seriously this is also a good pick. Assuming you own this once again since 1987, you will have gain nearly tenfold and 28.17 times. For utility companies which of course depend on commodity prices, this is also one well of a good stock with dividends as well.

Now take a look back, PAVREIT has an average return of 6.7% annually since its debut listing and KLCCSS outperformed at 9% with dividends. And as someone mentioned earlier, US non-alien residents are not subjected to capital gains but is subjected to 30% of dividend tax. I am also a newbie on the KLSE to be honest in terms of playing with real cash but I have experienced real trading on the NYSE with someone else. We played AAPL, PCLN and even WFC. Take it this way, even you want to play dividends with good return, one must have patience and understanding of the stock market. You can say that the losses I made was also due to that factor and it is extremely important. If you are also not insecure about it after this, sign up and play with US markets. In fact, I might be joining one soon to play with options and to diversify my investment. But by all does mean I am leaving for good just that I might be more active in that market given wider opportunities. Have a nice trading day.

DISCLAIMER: I do not currently own this stocks and am only active in this field for nearly 8 years and also a noob compared to the others. And I took a long time to write this until I lost keeping track and opportunity of the C12 gaining 2 sen after mid-day break.