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post Jun 19 2015, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(NikAriff @ Jun 19 2015, 08:29 AM)
Basically all Mix Development is by nature are Service Apartment anything that build upon a commercial land falls under that category,is a recent trend by developer who are building condominium on commercial land or above shopping centers have being using term like Service Residence, Service Suite etc to market their property, it is just a marketing term which is misleading, under the present legislation, service apartments and condominiums adjoining shopping malls fall outside the category of residence.

According to National Property Information Center(NAPIC) report under section 3 The Housing Development (Control and Licensing) Act 1966 (as amended 2002):

1)serviced apartments which is defined as short-term accommodation either owned by an individual as a second home, as corporate housing or as an investment that maybe run as a hotel.

2) The owner may occupy the unit himself or elect a management company to rent the unit on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly or timesharing basis.
I agree with you up to here

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So by law it is legal to rent out their apartment on daily basis and renting out apartment run by individual owners are consider residential use not commercial use where by commercial use is running a laundry, office or mini market etc.

Hope this clarify your question.
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It's this conclusion which I disagree. wink.gif

The custom document clearly states out that short term stay or daily use is commercial use.

Only long term stay ( eg yearly contract ) in serviced apartment is considered residential use.

Then the question is who to decide whether short term stay is allowed or disallowed ?

The law allows serviced apartment to be used both for short term and long term stay. But I think typically the management office for long term stay they disallow owner run short term stay in it.
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post Jun 19 2015, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2015, 09:05 AM)
You can't set a by law that restrict individual owner to do on their property.

If the renting indeed violated the council rule (please read the old thread that I mentioned before about the running an illegal commercial activities without local council license), then you can report the matter to the local council.

The law is weak and plenty of grey area to tackle such an issue.
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I tend to think the committee and/or management office has an upper hand over it because running short term stay is clearly a commercial activity, it will incur additional work/trouble for the management office to manage. So it's only right that people need to get blessing from management office if they want to run commercial activity in a serviced apartment.
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post Jun 19 2015, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 19 2015, 09:13 AM)
Am not familiar with mix development...

Very interesting questio by TS....

My question though... Mixed dev or service apt/Condo sit on commercial land and has a commercial title to the parcel, if I can a business (making it into an office) from my apt/Condo, what's stopping me from short term renting?

What's the purpose of service apt/Condo in the first place???
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I don't think by law you are allowed to run a business in your serviced apartment for long term stay. Even though it sits on a commercial land and commercial title.

Enforcement is a different issue.
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post Jun 19 2015, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(NikAriff @ Jun 19 2015, 09:45 AM)
Hi Good Day,

In which part of the document does it states out that short term stay or daily use is commercial use?

I agree with you that mostly the management office will disallow owner to run short term stay but also to add in that this will need to look into their residents handbook and SPA as well, because if is in the house rules then calling for a AGM/EGM for majority vote can change or add rules to control, but if is the rules implement by the AGM/EGM are against the rights of SPA then we might have a problem, to my understanding SPA for residential falls under schedule H and SPA for Mix Development do not falls under this we might need to clarify this with the Authority but as usual the authority is inefficient.  doh.gif

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Nik
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http://www.customs.gov.my/en/pg/pg_ig/Acco...uly%202014).pdf

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post Jun 19 2015, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(NikAriff @ Jun 19 2015, 03:46 PM)
Hi Good day,

Just gone through the document.

The Royal Malaysian Customs document on the GST and how it will apply to accommodation (in particular, paragraphs 5 - 10). This clearly states that service apartments which are sold for residential purposes (are demmed "residential" ; we cannot run a hairdressers' or an office there) are not subject to GST because they are not "commercial".

However, apartments run as a timeshare (paragraph 10e) ARE deemed to be "commercial" and are subject to the GST.

So this mean is clear that STR do some how are legal, in some way if they do it correctly.
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The only problem is that Cherroy is of the view that what's considered "commercial activity" for GST purposes may not be the same as "commercial activity" for strata title management.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2015, 04:42 PM)
While only local council rules is against STR based on commercial activities being run at residential premise which is prohibited.
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So meaning we could call the local council people to give trouble to those people who runs STR in a residential premise such as a service apartment because it's a commercial activity and requires additional permit or something ?

 

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