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NikAriff
post Jun 19 2015, 08:29 AM

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Basically all Mix Development is by nature are Service Apartment anything that build upon a commercial land falls under that category,is a recent trend by developer who are building condominium on commercial land or above shopping centers have being using term like Service Residence, Service Suite etc to market their property, it is just a marketing term which is misleading, under the present legislation, service apartments and condominiums adjoining shopping malls fall outside the category of residence.

According to National Property Information Center(NAPIC) report under section 3 The Housing Development (Control and Licensing) Act 1966 (as amended 2002):

1)serviced apartments which is defined as short-term accommodation either owned by an individual as a second home, as corporate housing or as an investment that maybe run as a hotel.

2) The owner may occupy the unit himself or elect a management company to rent the unit on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly or timesharing basis.

So by law it is legal to rent out their apartment on daily basis and renting out apartment run by individual owners are consider residential use not commercial use where by commercial use is running a laundry, office or mini market etc.

Hope this clarify your question.



NikAriff
post Jun 19 2015, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2015, 08:33 AM)
Mix development (downstair commercial, upstair residential) is not the same with service apartment.

Mix development that upstair is residential property one is still under residential category, if not mistaken.
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Hi Good Day, yes it is by nature all mix development falls under the term Service no matter which term it use Service Residence/Apartment/Suite etc, and another thing is Home Stay are difference from Short Term Accommodation, Home Stay is where by you need to register with the Ministry Of Tourism and you get an agent ID, you invite the guest from overseas to stay with you while you show them the local culture on the other side Short Term Accommodation run by individual owner are differ they do not stay with the tenants do not show them the culture and renting out for stay is consider a residential use not commercial use.

You cannot build a residential apartment on a commercial land and if the apartment on top of a mix development are consider residential it mean there are another piece of land on top of the commercial land, because residential property can only be build on a residential land and you cannot have a land on top of another land.

Hope this clarify out.

This post has been edited by NikAriff: Jun 19 2015, 08:47 AM
NikAriff
post Jun 19 2015, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(CasLatency @ Jun 19 2015, 08:59 AM)
Hi Nik can we ask the Committee to call for a meeting with all residents agreement and implement a rules to stop the short term rental?
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Yes you can ask your JMB/JMC to call for a AGM/EGM and get all owners consent to agree to implement a rules to stop the short term rental, but you need refer to your SPA, if you SPA is do not contain Schedule H then there is an issue it mean is not residential, some Mix Development that come with hotel do have rules in the SPA that owners cannot do Short Term Rental and that is difference cases, if your SPA do not have such rule and by implementing a rule to stop the STR by law is illegal it self and if the owners want to SUE the JMB they will have sufficient evidence to bring them to court, in this case the committee are still able to make new rules but they have to get the consent of all the unit owners mean if you have 500 unit you need to have 500 signature to agree and implement it to prevent legal action from owners that run STR.
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post Jun 19 2015, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 19 2015, 09:00 AM)
I agree with you up to here
It's this conclusion which I disagree. wink.gif

The custom document clearly states out that short term stay or daily use is commercial use.

Only long term stay ( eg yearly contract ) in serviced apartment is considered residential use.

Then the question is who to decide whether short term stay is allowed or disallowed ?

The law allows serviced apartment to be used both for short term and long term stay. But I think typically the management office for long term stay they disallow owner run short term stay in it.
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Hi Good Day,

In which part of the document does it states out that short term stay or daily use is commercial use?

I agree with you that mostly the management office will disallow owner to run short term stay but also to add in that this will need to look into their residents handbook and SPA as well, because if is in the house rules then calling for a AGM/EGM for majority vote can change or add rules to control, but if is the rules implement by the AGM/EGM are against the rights of SPA then we might have a problem, to my understanding SPA for residential falls under schedule H and SPA for Mix Development do not falls under this we might need to clarify this with the Authority but as usual the authority is inefficient. doh.gif

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NikAriff
post Jun 19 2015, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2015, 09:58 AM)
Custom issue is on treatment of GST, not related to Strata management act issue.   smile.gif

2 difference front.
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Hi thank for sharing I shall go through the document and will be giving you my opinion soon.

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post Jun 19 2015, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 19 2015, 10:22 AM)
To add:
Difference between DMC & House Rules

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I think the question is firstly to address “is whether STR is legal in the first place”? Safety, fire insurance, number of occupants, pets, enforcement and so on… are only side issues. If you can show that STR is illegal (or unlawful) in the first place, you don’t even have to consider the side issues.
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Hi to my knowledge there is no law in Malaysia that differentiate STR and Long Term Rental, the only law that differentiate is anything that is below 3 years is consider Rental and Anything that is above 3 year is consider a Lease and there is no control that Rental must be at least how many days, or months or years.

If this is the law then STR is not illegal and for the tenancy agreement to stamp it or not is up to the owner and the tenant the stamping only come to play when there is a dispute arise from the rental and the case need to bring to court, but still if is not stamp the owner can stamp it later and pay a fine.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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NikAriff
post Jun 19 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 19 2015, 10:53 AM)
Haven’t sighted anything to the contrary, I do agree that there’s no specific definition in the law as to what constitutes STR and LTR.

As for quoting item 49 Schedule 1 of the Stamp Act 1949, it doesn’t really help your cause because the Stamp Act is a means in which the government uses to collect revenue.

I would suggest the National Land Code, a lease is recognized as term exceeding 3 years (s.221 National Land Code 1965) and is capable of registration (s.292 National Land Code 1965). A tenancy on the other hand which is for a term not exceeding 3 years is exempted from registration (s.216 National Land Code 1965).

Like Ascott and Sommerset Residence or any other hotel per se, I would class a STR is a form of License instead of a tenancy.
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Hi to my knowledge there are 2 type of service apartment one that can be converted and run by hotelier that need license and another is run by individual owners that do not need a license but as long as the apartment is not private residential and is falls under service apartment like Regalia Resident in kuala lumpur.

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post Jun 19 2015, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2015, 09:58 AM)
Custom issue is on treatment of GST, not related to Strata management act issue.  smile.gif

2 difference front.
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Hi Good day,

Just gone through the document.

The Royal Malaysian Customs document on the GST and how it will apply to accommodation (in particular, paragraphs 5 - 10). This clearly states that service apartments which are sold for residential purposes (are demmed "residential" ; we cannot run a hairdressers' or an office there) are not subject to GST because they are not "commercial".

However, apartments run as a timeshare (paragraph 10e) ARE deemed to be "commercial" and are subject to the GST.

So this mean is clear that STR do some how are legal, in some way if they do it correctly.
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post Jun 19 2015, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(CasLatency @ Jun 19 2015, 07:51 AM)
Hi Greeting to all member,

I have recently bought a mix development condo and I realize there are owners doing Short Term Rental (Daily Renting) and I wonder is this legal? do they have the rights to do so? we are residents staying there, those owners that are renting out for daily have cause the residents many problem this including renting out a 2 bedroom apartment to more then 10 people mad.gif  and during holiday time you can see many people coming in and out of the condo.  vmad.gif and occupying the facility.

Anyone that have similar problem? how do you deal with the management and the authority to stop it? Please share your knowledge and experience. very much appreciated thanks.  biggrin.gif

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Hi,

Back to the actual question that Cas firstly ask we need to resolve:
1) Is Mixed development apartment falls under service apartment no matter is service residence or service suite.
- to my understanding any apartment that build on top of a commercial land falls under "service" and developer have use the term to mislead buyer. (Where can we get a solid proof to define it)

2) if is consider a service apartment can individual owner rent out daily?
- If time sharing club house are allow the main differ is they have a license and individual owner do not have, but it still mean STR do exits legally.

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Nik

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post Jun 20 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(CasLatency @ Jun 20 2015, 11:18 AM)
Hi I found this link,

http://www.hba.org.my/articles/iprop/2006-not.htm

It clearly say that Residences: Another name for Serviced Apartments

My Condo is Serviced Residences does that mean it is Serviced Apartments?

Is very confusing.
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As mention in the articles:
if it is erected on any land designated for or approved for commercial development, it is not considered 'housing accommodation' as defined under the Housing Development (Control and Licensing) Act (Housing Act).

It say as long as is build on top of a commercial land is not consider housing accomodation, so to you question yes it is Service Apartment according to this articles.


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post Jun 21 2015, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(CasLatency @ Jun 21 2015, 02:57 PM)
Since there is no control that tenancy should be how many day, it mean we need to proof that daily rental consider commercial use, where can we get this proof?
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Hi Cas,

Since there is no law that control a tenancy period less the 3 years, if daily rental is consider a commercial use then month or yearly will also be classify as commercial use as well, this issue still falls on the grey area, the best is the management introduce strict rules to control it or may be you can suggest finger print access only system to be implemented but not sure if this will be control by the Personal Data Protection Act, if is finger print access only then is very hard for STR to carry out because only people that register the print can access.

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Nik

 

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