in T3, its been said that JC dies in the hands of T800 in the way future.

but as sarah connors said to john: "The future is not Set. There is no fate but what we make"
(mantra of the "Terminator" franchise)

even in the trailers, JC did say "This is not the future my mother warned me about. Something has changed."
in past terminator series; Judgment Day did not occur as originally predicted (did not occur in 1997 as the movie timeline)

waiting in anticipation, i think this T4 will rock

(sorry transformer, its too big time michael bay again>pearl harbour, armagadon, whisperer rolled into transformer 2 trailer ; ok "the rock" passes. )

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 17 2009, 05:55 PM

sams involvement was personal recomendation from james cameron. (sam is in james camerons biggie "AVATAR")

oh crap, now i know the movie, whatdahell it will still truly be enjoyable,

& yup, X-Men Origins: Wolverine was ok,

Star Trek would be good, havent watch it but read FILM, EMPIRE a year back, know the effort to make it good, trust JJ A

if i'm not mistaken, was set at PG13 & that restricted number of theaters in US

if time travel confuses some guys, go watch "back to the future I, II, II"

its a simple, entertaining movie about "what if's, time travel" should put some young chaps here about "pararell time line" finding it hard to UNderstand, err stick to transformers then.

TS is quite good. it remains an integral continuation of the saga.
i place TS as equal to T2. while of course in current times T1 appears 80'ish, T2 90ish respectively (movie style), did TS to current.

i have T1, T2, T3 & TS DVDs


yet no 'avatar' DVD in my collection. saga 'terminator' > avatar story in my books.

Still T2/T4 > T1/>>T3

sorry I had to nick that in

CB did a fine job (t4 haters)

arnie' as the terminator owns the all.

i prefer Terminator Salvation too.

bale as john connor

Wasn't it where he supposedly shouted at a member of the filming crew (explilaives and all)

Yeah, I was rooting more for Connor than of worthington's "terminator".

That failed the movie for purist fans of terminator. Despite good performance by him (sam worthington').Unfortunately fans of this franchise doesn't dig worthington's "terminator", I don't like that "terminator", too "human". Arnie terminator is half way, struggling to understand human emotions etc.

That was the whole reason why terminator is "reboot" in a way where Arnie comes back, terminator can work because "I'll be back"

Story wise "salvation > terminator 3" anytime.

And "John Connor "in T3

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Dec 9 2014, 05:36 PM

Jonathan Nolan screenplay wor

Well, some of us aren't guided by rotten tomato, sure it has a peaksure on general films. I do find the dystopian future likable. I not a a big fan of sams work. (Look where is he, just saying)

In the article, it stated bale mentioned his work didn't (quite) work but not elaborated. It's far from being critical.

T2>salvation/T1>T3

Looking at gross takings too it's about there despite what tomato rotten had to say

I'm not guided by reputation (sure it helps). Even for his famous sibling bro. Critics, crititism all may differ, I'm also not bothered by general (critics) acceptance of a movie or their slaying of ones work

There is a saying, you are only as good as your last work. As long it drives a person to better their previous work, it shd be worth to a consideration to watch.

But of course I'm have my preferences, sci fi, comedies etc. any horror movie(s) not much. not that i don't like horror, well macabre, gruesome, grisly, grim, gory, morbid, lurid, grotesque well, there is a limit, & horror movies has been been there, seen before.

Salvation offers a "difference" from the earlier terminator movie(s). Which to me T3 didn't. Apart from Arnie, and gritty Claire Danes, the rest of the cast was nick starl the supposely "anti climax" in the end was no where near explosive as I hoped it would be.

Which comes the the question of the coming instalment in "terminator genisys:, what will this next terminator movie offer from what we have seen before previously? I would like to hope the trailer may not have shown everything (hopefully the best bits are unravelled when one goes to the movies)

In t2 The terminator was ground breaking, everyone saw it being a superior terminator to t100. We will wonder how will the future (Korean/Asian) terminator morph..? Blend into a car, metal, flooring? Done before, able to be turn itself into a weapon? done before...will wait n see.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Dec 11 2014, 11:53 AM

Well, everyone is a fan of a series/franchise movie or a particular band because of what it embodies. At the very least the main structure of the movie, without that it falls apart. Nobody wants an unexpected 'wizard-of-oz' stewed into a sci fi movie just because it's maybe innovative, unexpected or compoundly different from the previous instalment.

I don't know every time T3 (rise of the machines) movie appears on the telly, or reshown on TV, it feels like a very made-for-tv, no grandeur, no mystical magic unlike even T1 0r T2 (when its played on the small box). Well, as you mentioned our opinions differ. perhaps some other movies we may find a middle ground.

there are those who ride on their reputation and there are those who will want to do better than their last movie.. few genuine one left.

of course some we will forgive if they stumble in 1 or 2 movie but their desire to want to make good movies and try not to milk/ride on their reputation.

Hey I wasn't shifting goal post, just saying.

I think there are 2 type of fans of the terminator movie franchise. There are those that just enjoy the actions, guns blazing, hasta la vista baby, being intrigued by human cyborg...kinda don't have to think much, but enjoy all the action + a American Austrian accent one-liners.

What I think some f I feel salvation move into a wee more thinking for your ordinary fans of the franchise. Some understood, many didn't.

Hey you made your reasons known, I respect that. I sure do hope as the testimony of several forumers here too dislike T3. To us it the least, T3 seems like an kinda outcast movie, casting of the roles were not quite there. Action seemed the same same fare or less

What some fans of this series/franchise can identify for example; what they like, for example a memorable action scene in each particular Terminator movie series.

T1 - seeing for the very first time how Arnie,T800 reveal itself the hard cool metal beneath the flesh. It was mind blowing back then seeing a very well built mr.universe arnie withstanding hail of bullets and all. Hurray Arnie!

T2 - the awesomeness of the large truck chase bike. scene where a superior t1000 could take what is given, man that. Arnie in the Harley jump! and scarying the shite of movie goers where a smaller terminator could morph. Dude, a killer cyborg can transform into liquid metal! Hastalavista Arnie

t3 - I don't remember much. Oh yah, ok girl terminator

T4 - the fight for survival in the begining, where John Connor, the helicopter crash in a "seemingly" single shot scene & the fight with those terminators., and the awesome terminator bikes!! What ruined salvation for me as I said was Marcus wright. He may have received commendable credit for his role here and of avatar (I didnt enjoy avatar. Sorry world, I found it terribly zzz). He is no main lead, can't carry a film. He is no next Russell Crowe

Some talking point in my head, whenever I get to rewatch any of these movies, I kinda always look forward to watching these scenes again. Well, my guess too for those yearning for action sequences

Many talking point I read why many felt dissatisfied of t4 salvation was there is very little Arnie. That 1-2 minutes of all glory of Arnie is just not enough. People pay to watch terminator because of Arnold T800!


Okay let's not get overboard on this t1, t2, t3, t4. Let's move on

It to arrive at the theaters, the all new Terminator Genisys. Yeah more Arnie, even if he is older, he is still the hasta la vista Arnie the T800 the reason T5 gets made

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Dec 13 2014, 08:37 PM

kinda sad isn't it

Despite all the rave prereviews that in trying to undo T4:salvation, we have supposedly bomb proof next franchises; old man Arnie is back, not CGI (t4), 10001 one liners. T5-genisys, the return of old formula of (and enhanced) what made T1 & T2 successful and invigorating to the fans.

Genisys, Complicated for the fans? It is not. Considering when T1 (or T2 for that matter) first appeared those days, it would and might have split hairs on half the audiences. This latest installment reviewers shouldn't have faulted 'complicated' timeline as its Achilles heel nor the plot review John Connor is now a ...

Tis

The snapshot will be all where sent simultaneously back in time where 'it-all-still-exist-and-relevant'. (Back up button, if you may 😜 )

There is still many variable situations (for argument sake). It's not all that confusing (for me)

I had cautioned the "reboot" in this case, I would rather the
continuation dystopian future from T4 left off. anyone here thinks the latest madmax wouldn't be bad ass movie? (dystopian movies don't cut it they say) No right? Mad(bane😋)Max probably had like a few more lines than arnie did with T1&T2 combined but that's my opinion. 😌

There were successful (reboot/reimagined) movies recently. Jurassic World isn't really a reboot, and it stampede the BO world. (Though JW wouldn't tickle my brain for movie of the year)

😓 this is what happens when movie studio caved in to some fans (what they think they want)

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Jul 10 2015, 09:53 AM

It's acknowledged the 'death' that usually condemns a franchise to its knees is the 3rd installment 😂

Far more successful sequels or continuations than a reboot per say.

I agree, genisys in itself had something to say, together with many fans wanting mr icon that made a (supposedly began as a ) B movie to a A list bona fide legend 😅😇

Perhaps you may be right (throw out all thoughts of old), though it still leaves the studios grasping for answers, what next