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keyser soze
post Apr 22 2016, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(blurblursam @ Apr 22 2016, 09:24 AM)
Any comment for York 1.5hp inverter?

Yesterday air cond man said for Panasonic & Daikin both 1.5hp inverter out of stock.

Now left York. also limited stock.
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Very new product not many people tried b4. Should be cheaper than Daikin & Pana since York is made in China.
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post Apr 25 2016, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 25 2016, 12:27 PM)
Setting at 28°C and boasting inverter safes energy are a good way to mislead.
Yesterday already come out in the newspaper stating that inverter are not really safes energy if set the wrong temperature and wrong HP used.
For your case, it already run into ramp down mode for sure it will be using lesser energy. If set at 25°C, it will be using more energy than non inverter.
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...cs-v9rkh-1.html
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...0skh-1_0hp.html
Comparing to both of the above and considering current El-nino effect, if were to set 25°C, the non inverter will win inverter hands down if using them for 4-5 hours.
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You are the one that misleading,

From your link non-inverter is 11.1 Btuh/W (9,210Btuh/830W). Means 1 W of electricity removed 11.1 Btuh of heat.
Inverter is 12.57 Btuh/W (9,550Btuh/760W). Means 1 W of electricity remove 12.57 Btuh of heat.

Do the maths. I believe I have proof you wrong before and you still come here to mislead people.

Please check back our conversation on 23rd Sep 2015 as shown below.

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Side track a bit, just realised that Urusara 7 1 hp AC EER is 19.53 (8400Btuh/430W) biggrin.gif

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post Apr 25 2016, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Apr 25 2016, 03:50 PM)
19.53!. thats crazy super efficient. haha  drool.gif
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The price is crazier.
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post Apr 25 2016, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 25 2016, 04:29 PM)
Nah, if I post a link also you will twist, because this is what you want. WIll you dare to buy that newspaper? Nope, you won't, as that will straight blow your lies.
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You are the one who twist from Panasonic to Sin Chew. Told you to read properly. I said I do have Sin Chew, just not with me now. When I go home after work I will dig it out. Really sick taking with you.
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post Apr 25 2016, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 25 2016, 10:38 PM)
As said, you won't post the link that bust your lies. Got few pages of it, so the fact of you still want to twist is still a fact.
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I have the newspaper with me now, which page you want?
There are total 2 pages mentioned about AC and power consumption. I didn't post it just don't want to confused the discussion as you always wish.

Below are the others article that I just mentioned, but I don't see anyone else claim that at full load non-inverter is more efficient.
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Or you so sure, why don't you post it up to burst my lies? It was yesterday paper, come on boy, you can do it.

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post Apr 26 2016, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 25 2016, 11:26 PM)
That 2 pages are quite important, is not you feel, what I see is, you are still trying to twist.
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So, please highlight which article in these 2 pages (except the first one I posted) mentioned non-inverter full load is more efficient then inverter?

Come on, spin. twist and turn again? Always interested to see what trick you use next.
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post Apr 26 2016, 04:50 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 26 2016, 12:56 AM)
The newspaper I meant is to burst your lies that inverter are more superior. The fact is, inverter will only do wonders when it starts to ramp down. Those articles is to support my statement.
As for non inverter work more efficient, by the spec also can tell, when both are running at full load.
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Al right, this is your trick, keep ignoring the facts...like a little boy....

"The newspaper I meant is to burst your lies that inverter are more superior."
There is no lies, inverter are infact more superior in term of performance and efficiency. Please elaborate which article mentioned that non-inverter is more superior? (don't use the old trick, ask me to read myself)

"The fact is, inverter will only do wonders when it starts to ramp down."
My correction is" inverter will do wonders when it starts to ramp down", but without the "only". Even full load inverter is still more efficient.

"As for non inverter work more efficient, by the spec also can tell, when both are running at full load."
Efficiency is not only about power, it is the ratio of power and capacity. EER is what you should look into. Your spec do show that inverter EER is better. If you do not agree, please proof me wrong with the data inside your specs.
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post Apr 26 2016, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Apr 26 2016, 08:37 AM)
I use the clamp meter right to the circuit breaker for the AC. I monitor it in realtime the moment it switch on to the fullest power. i-AUTO X 16C (turbo speed fan). It never shoots 1300W (about 5.5 Amps++).  I only witness the current gradually increase from 1.5A up to the max 3.7-3.8 Amp. but no sudden increase. Not sure on other brand, but this from my 2015 Pana Inverter
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Thanks for your info, at least we do proof something with the actual meter reading and not solely rely on some misleading info.
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post Apr 26 2016, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(kurique @ Apr 26 2016, 03:43 PM)
Hi..need u guys opinion. Between GREE and Hisense airconditioner..which 1 is value for money? Both of them are 1hp and price around rm1k including installation. Tq.
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My vote go to Gree, which is currently one of the biggest AC manufacturer in China. Hisense do have Hitachi DNA (they actually OEM Hitachi AC), but they just establish in Malaysia, better not take the risk.
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post Apr 26 2016, 07:35 PM

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Finally got my Urusara 7 installed. So many function have no time to try it yet.
First impression is it is HUGE! Definitely not a beauty. dry.gif
The cooling wise it is doing very well as expected. I'm setting my room temp to 26degC, with the inteligent eye function, the AC is able to sense my location and send the cold air to me, which is quite funny.
The rest yet to be discover.

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post Apr 26 2016, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(TXSim @ Apr 26 2016, 07:46 PM)
What is the price? (Thinking)
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I got 2 sets for free.
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post Apr 27 2016, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Apr 27 2016, 09:08 AM)
free gift? I also want smile.gif so Urusara 7 still around 4xxx RM? was hoping the price would drop by now.
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I belive the price should still be around RM5k.
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post Apr 27 2016, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2016, 10:07 AM)
If I set it to 16c, can I get 785kwh/yrs ?

Need to know base on what setting.
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This one need to check with persuruhan jaya tenaga... I belive all tested under the same condition.
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post Apr 27 2016, 10:26 PM

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1. Depends how cold you want, for living room I always recommend spot cooling. That means adjust the cold air guide vanes to point to where you seat. If you switch on all your ceiling fans, then 2hp should be alright for night time. Day time you should be able to get around 26-27 degC room temp. 2.5 hp is always always better. Bare in mind that 2 hp will takes longer to cool down the room. Best bud expensive is still go for 1.5 at Living and 1hp for dining. Just install what ever to fit your budget. My recommendation is don't install the AC above TV, it might leak. Also if install above TV you can't do spot cooling for your dining. Try to install it on the left hand side of the brick divider, so you can adjust the cold air to dining area when no one at the living room.

2. Master bedroom also not recommend to install AC above your bed. If possible install on left hand side opposite of your sliding door. Actually if you only use during night time, 1hp is enough. If day time then go for 1.5hp.

3. 1hp is good enough.

If all your bed rooms is going to switch on AC every day, my recommendation is go for Inverter (especially the 2 small room because 1hp is also consider oversize for these room), 3 AC can easily save you RM80 per month. If using inverter, your master Bedroom should be alright with 1hp.

My 2 cents. Some times I believe that panasonic recommendation is a bit oversize. Since oversize no one will know and usually no one will compliant if your AC is too cold. If not cold then you will blame them. Oversize also encourage you to spend more to buy their AC.
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post Apr 27 2016, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2016, 12:11 PM)
I m confuse with the claim of Daikin running spec at 430w. And it is 1hp.

Cause 1hp=750w.

If the spec is 430w, shouldn't claim it as 1hp.
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BMW 328I long time ago was using 2,800CC engine and produce around 240hp.
The new generation 328i is using 2,000CC engine to produce around 240hp.
The name it with the end results regardless of it's engine capacity.

Same concept with AC, all AC with Btuh of around 8,000 t0 10,000 are classified as 1hp.
Actually Urusara 7 max power is around 880W (producing 13,300 Btuh) can we called it 1.17 hp? So Urusara 7 called as 1hp AC is because it Nominal Capacity is 8,400Btuh regardless of it actual power consumption.
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QUOTE(kyle_kl @ Apr 27 2016, 12:40 PM)
Hi, if i only use the aircond for 4 nights every month, temperature set at 26C, is it worth to get inverter type? The price different is RM400 compare to non-inverter.
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About electricity saving, it take you almost 3 years to recover back the RM400. Not a very good investment, but pray hard TNB don't increase the tariff to often for future 3 years.
My recommendation to go for inverter is if[SIZE=7] you want comfort.
Non-inverter will only switch on the compressor when the room temperature reach 27C then switch off when 25C. So it is fluctuate within this range. Inverter will keep steady at 26C.
If using non-inverter, the room humidity also tends to be higher, when humidity is high you will feel warm even the room at 26C. You might need to switch on additional fan to overcome this problem.
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post Apr 27 2016, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(harace_84 @ Apr 27 2016, 01:30 PM)
sifuss.. need you future outlook on a/c using R22? is it going to phase out? can it still standing for another 5 years..  I got offer on this type of a/c.. dunno worth it or not..
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post Apr 28 2016, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2016, 11:27 PM)
The answer is quote below. You can download the daikin brochure and read.

1hp is mean the compressor is 1hp. Or 750w. So why it max is 880w. Don't forget the aircon is not just the compressor. The fan, indoor blower, sensor and electronic require power too. That will be add up total running watt.
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you are right. I overlooked the indoor and outdoor fan power consumption.
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QUOTE(superdav007 @ Apr 28 2016, 01:03 PM)
Asking all sifu's out there.

Im looking for an energy saving 1.0 HP - AC ( Inverter ) for a 13x13 feet bedroom. I've read many pages from this thread & want to ask for ADVICE between these A/C's. I have listed some pro and cons of each AC. Feel free to add or comment.
My budget is around 1.6k for the AC.

1- Panasonic CS-S10SKH- RM 1500

The Good-Panasonic is energy efficient ( 5stars - 1492kw/h) compared to other models. Has alot of functions.

The Bad- Service i heard is bad. Parts e.g (PCB) board are expensive to replace.

2- Daikin FTK10T inverter - RM 1450

The Good-Reviews about Daikin Ac in general is quite good ( Service & Parts). DC inverter, not sure what other brands are using but daikin highly promotes the DC inverter over AC inverter.
But does anyone have experience with this particular model before? The energy ratings ( Suruhanjaya Tenaga)  is not displayed in the showroom or the website. (http://www.daikin.com.my/wall-mounted-series-1-0-2-5hp/) However the brochure does say that it's EER is 12.18.

The Bad - According to one AC service guy he said this AC is not as cold as Panasonic within the same temperature range. True???

3-Mitsubishi Inverter Series (http://www.trio-mhiac.com/products) - RM 1600++

The Good- 7 years compressor warranty , 2 years parts warranty. In the website it gives 5 star rating ( Around 1400 kwh ) EER of 12.XX .

The Bad - Heard that the cooling is not so fast(true?). Any comments on their service ?

4-Sharp Inverter J-tech - RM 1600++

The Good- 5 star energy rating ( around 1600++kwh ) . Sharp brand in general has good reviews about their longevity & reliability. Cools fast .

The Bad - Not sure about their service & parts cost.

Please advise.
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I will stick with Panasonic or Daikin. Panasonic EER is 12.57 slightly higher. Sometimes about AC cold or not is mostly depends on installer. Good installer or not is up to your luck. PCB I can't commend, I never burned one. PCB also depends on luck, if your area voltage is not stable then PCB will have higher risk to spoil. Inverter already been in the market for quite some time, the PCB is not as fragile as last time. Daikin and Panasonic are both pioneer in inverter AC so reliability should be better.

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post Apr 28 2016, 03:32 PM

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Double post.

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