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keyser soze
post Sep 29 2015, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Sep 29 2015, 05:56 PM)
Someone said, if 1hp still able to used, but at the bending portion will be broken and gas leaking is depend on times.

You need to check with Aircon man n see how they tell u the correct answer, maybe last time copper price are cheaper and they used the thickness one for you.
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I have Thermoline (copper tubing) catalogue with me. The safe working pressure claimed under Australian Standard AS1571-1985, for 6.4x0.58mm is 981psi, for 9.5x0.58mm is 639psi, for 12.7x0.58mm is 470psi.
When I check with MHI engineer their recommended test pressure for their R410a system is 400psi. Daikin told me 400 to 450 psi.
If you check the R410a properties at 34 deg C the gas or liquid pressure is only around 290psi. In order for the system to fail, unless someone heat the gas up to 54 deg C then the pressure shall reach 470psi.

That means if you use back R22 copper tubing for R410a up to 1.5hp you still have around 60% safety factor. Of course 60% might not be comfortable if you consider others factors.

That's why I said 1hp should be ok and 1.5hp is risky.

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post Sep 30 2015, 09:44 PM

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What is the point to show electricity bill? The bill didn't show how many hours you use your AC also didn't show how many percent of the bill belongs to AC consumption. I used to have bill with RM50 because I went overseas for half month. I also have bill of RM 300 because my sister's family stay with us for one month.

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post Sep 30 2015, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 30 2015, 04:30 PM)
Yup, you are right on this. But if were to use air cond + fan, it will bring down the monthly consumption more thumbup.gif
That's why mine are low icon_rolleyes.gif
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Don't use AC and don't use fan, don't use light use candle is even better. Just different preference. Also consider to sleep naked. Or stay at gothong jaya.
This is true that using fan with AC will increase covention heat loss to bring down skin temperature. But not everyone prefer to sleep with fan plus AC. One reason is higher noise lever. Another reason is dry skin due to high convection heat loss.
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post Oct 15 2015, 04:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Oct 11 2015, 03:42 AM)
Here's a quiz, guess which one is the inverter, and which one is not.

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3 cores=non inverter
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post Oct 15 2015, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Oct 15 2015, 10:47 AM)
Thanks for the pointer, but check out the EER. Non-inverter has higher EER? Wonder if I am missing something.

The non-inverter is also the latest model, and the inverter one has been around for a while.
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3 core=non inverter=EER is 12.45 lower than 4 core=inverter =EER is 12.73
Higher EER means more efficient. Every W of electricity you use is able to remove 12.73Btu/h of heat is better than every W input only able to remove 12.45Btu/h of heat.
So inverter at full load still more efficient.
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post Oct 15 2015, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Oct 15 2015, 09:15 AM)
u can use it back. but i will only last for few years as the pressure for inverter is few times higher than r22
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Not few times just around 62% at 35degC. At ambient temp 35deg C, R22 is 181.9psi, R410A is 295psi. Our R22 gas piping for 1.5hp was rated around 400psi WORKING PRESSURE.
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post Oct 16 2015, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 15 2015, 09:33 PM)
So it is safe to continue  using old concealed piping of R22 aircon for new invertor air con ? Only need to connect the joints.
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Can't say safe but usable in theory. 1 hp definitely safer. 1.5hp you have less safety factors.
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post Nov 2 2015, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(MrToper @ Nov 2 2015, 12:27 PM)
I see on some outdoor units that there is ice forming up at the larger pipe(Circled in the pic)

What does this mean?
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The room too cold or lack of gas.
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post Nov 19 2015, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(t3n @ Nov 19 2015, 10:57 AM)
Hi plan to install air cond for my living room, around 10 feet X 33 feet = 330 sqft..
Should I install 1.5HP or 2.0HP? will go for 5 star energy non inverter... Daikin or Mitsubishi?
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If on at night and non-inverter then 1.5hp is good enough. Which around 35-40btuh/sqft. Just make sure the air can reach your seating place. Daikin is good enough for non-inverter. Just get the R410A model which is slightly more efficient. Daikin spare parts also easier to obtain.
I don't think non-inverter can reach 5 star....
My view is if you didn't use the A/C frequent enough then you hardly save enough on electricity to cover the difference between inverter and non inverter which is around RM800. The truth is inverter are using more circuit board and easier to burn then non-inverter. The outdoor circuit board for 2hp inverter is not cheap....
My vote go to 1.5hp non-inverter for your case.

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post Nov 19 2015, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(t3n @ Nov 19 2015, 02:42 PM)
Not sure about Daikin but Mitsubishi non inverter deluxe series have 5 stars rating from their boucher.. If i have the budget to go for 2hp, would u go for it?

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If money is not an issue then why not. But 2hp might be a bit over if you use it at night. Just elec bill a bit higher.
BTW the Mitsubishi you posted is premium series, if the price is slightly more expensive than Daikin, you should consider that.
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post Nov 27 2015, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Nov 27 2015, 06:18 PM)
Greetings fellas. Wanna ask about inverter airconds. What's the worse that can happen if they skip the earth wire from blower to compressor? My place is fitted with inverter piping. But only with 3 cores wire.
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The person who service the A/C might be electrocuted if there are current leakage, because your ELCB won't trip if there are current leakage. Some claim that the copper pipe is already a very good earthing conductor, but I don't think it is 100% accurate.
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post Dec 1 2015, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 1 2015, 02:53 PM)
After changing my 14yearold aircons, ME-1hp-noninvertor and PAnasonic-2hp-noninvertor with Samsung-1.5hp-invertor and ME-2.5hp-invertor. My monthly bill has come down to rm180 with heavier use. Used to be rm240-rm290. Aircon set at temp 28c is cooler than old aircon at 25c. Found that once the aircon is on, extending  another 6-hr use will use another 3kWh. So envious of those household with <rm100 bill, how to achieve that? Would changing fridge(rm4000), washing machine(rm2000), LED lights, to energy-saving types helps? I think high-power-consumption appliances are like oven, kettle, iron might be the culprit.
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Fridge running 24hr. You will be amaze with the saving you get.
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post Dec 1 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 1 2015, 05:18 PM)
How to calculate the possible savings by using a new invertor fridge? By changing from 1hp-noninvertor to 1.5hp-invertor my monthly savings already rm60/mth, by 24mths the savings of ~rm1400 would have cover the cost of installing the new aircon. If a new invertor-fridge can cut my electric-bill by another RM60/mth, 70mths savings would be equivalent to the cost of the new invertor-fridge.
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I don't have formula to calculate. My experience is after I install 2 nos. 1hp inverter AC to replace the non-inverter AC, my monthly saving is around RM60-70. Then after replace my 30+ years old fridge to much bigger Hitachi inverter fridge, further saving is around RM90 to RM100. Before I replace the fridge I did extensive research on what kind, which brand and which model of fridge. I even go to Singapore NEA website to check the power consumption of different model of fridges. Just remember fridge is something that running 24hr....
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post Dec 2 2015, 04:03 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 1 2015, 10:08 PM)
TQ for your sharing. If can get savings of rm90 by just changing the fridge, payback time is only 4years, worth considering. Just browse thru the info on a few invertor fridges mentioned in this thread but found that most don't disclose the power consumption, wonder why? Will pay a visit to https://e-services.nea.gov.sg/els/Pages/Sea...am=goods&type=p
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This is depends on how energy thirsty is your existing fridge.
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post Dec 14 2015, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 13 2015, 10:33 PM)
It should be no issue, as long as not in touch with wiring side, as condenser coil is wet most of the time when operation.

But pouring water may not solve or help anything one, you need some pressured water or air blower to clean the dirt that attached to the coil.
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Evaporator coil only wet. Not condenser.

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post Dec 15 2015, 07:00 PM

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Inverter was in the market for more than 15 years (when I just join this line 15 years ago they already exist). They used to be expensive to own and repair due to new technology that time and demand is low.
Now a day inverter is more common so the parts price should be lower, and should be more reliable due to established technology. My point of view is non inverter IC board is still much cheaper than inverter ic board, but not as much like last time.
If you use your A/C for long hours like 6 to 8hr a day then you should go for inverter.
If you just need a normal inverter A/C without some funny functuion, my recommendation is Daikin, since they are local made, so the parts should be cheaper than those made in China or Thailand. You can even walk in to their parts department at Damansara Utama to buy yourself.
My 2 units made in Thailand R22 Daikin inverter served me 8hrs a day for 2 years without any problems. Now feel like upgrading to Urusara 7, hopefully can get a free unit from Daikin next year.
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post Dec 15 2015, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(TXSim @ Dec 15 2015, 07:11 PM)
Hi, Daikin Urusara 1 HP is RM 6,420.
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I think I can get it much cheaper, but my plan is to get it free.
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post Dec 15 2015, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 15 2015, 07:32 PM)
I knew, real time auto cleaning dust right, but after maintenance would be over killing.

Should engage Daikin ppl for serving only
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Buying Urusara is like buying ferrari. When you buy ferrari you don't worry about the maintenance. Just enjoy.
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post Dec 15 2015, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(TXSim @ Dec 15 2015, 08:36 PM)
Haha. So funny la you.
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What so funny?
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post Dec 15 2015, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 15 2015, 11:50 PM)
Becoz of free this word LOL

Unless you hit a target sales from daikin
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Last month only, in 2 days they delivered RM1.6mil worth of VRV4 outdoor units to my project. How hard to meet their target?
After last financial year, they send us 5 units of Non inverter for free. I think with 3nos. 1hp and 2nos 1.5hp.
Are you Daikin dealer?

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