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post Jul 17 2015, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 17 2015, 05:01 PM)
Amen, but what is being consious with the Grace of God?
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That He love you always?

That God's open arm is always readily available to his struggling Children. That He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you.

When you call upon God in whatever state that you are, God is always listening and will answer.

When you know all your sins is already nailed at the cross.

That is being conscious of his Grace



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post Jul 17 2015, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 17 2015, 09:07 PM)
None taken. I simply believe that Christians should also be in harmony with both intelligence and faith, together.
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Bro, I realize that as time goes by, when I understood more of Christianity actually God did leave a lot of evidence.

The Apostles were real people, Jesus is really a real living person, recorded by historian of his time.

This is not some fiction man.


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post Jul 17 2015, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 17 2015, 10:15 PM)
I know it's not fiction, and I have deep questions about the nature of reality itself. However, if religion is to be both doubted and believed, one is eventually compelled to understand the how and the whys of both sides. I don't want to pick sides, so I like to think why both the "real" and "unreal" has to exists within our perceptions of reality. I do these mostly by questioning them everyday, including both scientific and religious explanations provided by everyone.

In other words, I could be an agnostic. I do not think God is a plain myth, but I also do not think science and reason are to be avoided.
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Bro I appreciated the discovery of Science all the while and I see it as something enabled by God for Man to discover things.

I don't get it what makes you think it is to be avoided.

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post Jul 17 2015, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 17 2015, 11:16 PM)
Maybe it is due to the lack of philosophical/intellectual/scientific conversations I see around here, hence my assumption.

If what I've brought to the thread will at least get people to understand both reason and faith (and not ONLY faith) alone, it'll be great, I thought. That includes other schools of thought that does not necessarily from the Bible, that's what I thought.

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And you think God wants man to be stupid and ignorant?

How else do you think Man has advance so much in Scientific discovery?

You really think Evolution is the sole cause?

ha, very mistaken my friend.
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post Jul 18 2015, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:00 AM)
No, I do not think so, which makes the video I've posted here to be equally as significant as well.

I think it is best to establish an understanding here that I do not think faith undermines reason. I think people undermine reasons for the sake of faith.
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Things pertaining to God's Kingdom, got to be God's way.

Things here on Earth with regards to Man, Natural Law takes precedent.

God designed it that way.


You just have to know which is which.
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post Jul 18 2015, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:19 AM)
Hence my questioning.
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John 8:23 (NIV) - But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
This verse Helps us to understand, there is a distinction. This is not an arrogance but just plain Fact that God's operation is different.

John 3:31 (NIV) - The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
This verse Helps us to understand, the Natural World just cannot supersede God's Kingdom. It cannot touch God in anyway.

1 John 4:5 (NIV) - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
All those videos that you posted conform to this truth.


Now do you understand why I said;


QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 12:14 AM)
Things pertaining to God's Kingdom, got to be God's way.

Things here on Earth with regards to Man, Natural Law takes precedent.

God designed it that way.
You just have to know which is which.
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post Jul 18 2015, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:31 AM)
I'm sorry, but they appear to discourage the act of reasoning, unless I am mistaken, and I do not mind being corrected.

While it is said that God may be above above space-time and above our contemporary understanding of reality, it certainly has not laid out any rules that any form of reasoning should be discouraged.
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Do you need a reason for the Law of Gravity? I don't think anyone does, it's just is.

If you can accept that, same principal apply when it comes to God.
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post Jul 18 2015, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 07:48 AM)
Uhm, yes, we all do. Judging by how gravity can also be an illusion, but not necessarily in the way you think. It's not a "Law" per se.


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Whatever you makes you happy Bro. I think there is wisdom in keeping Life simple rather than having it complicated. Because IMO, when you're a skeptic, there is no end to the pursuit of skepticism and thus you tend to create many new areas of uncertainty where there really is no need.

For example when the doctor says you need to take this body scan and when you take it, you'll still feel there is a deeper need to probe and when you do that, then there is always this doubt that maybe you'll need more probing.

My Point is, there is no end.


For us Christians, Life certainty is found in God. Health, Salvation, Providence, whatever Life's uncertainty. God is the ultimate point. There is none beyond Him. So there is satisfaction and it ends there.
You know why there is no end with skepticism for guys like you? Because Man is flawed and fallen in nature. Man cannot provide security for another Man. And thus the need to satisfy becomes exponentially insatiable for you.

All those videos that you posted are just ideas from Man who are finite and limited. It's your life really, when you have ample time to spare to keep on searching and finding solace in Man's ideology.
For me I don't have that kind of time to wonder.

I know what I have tasted and experienced, it is enough for me.
But whatever the case, doesn't mean Christians need to ignore the inventions of Science, Medicine, all that we see as God's Grace for Human advancement in life.

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post Jul 18 2015, 05:45 PM

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Hey Guys, if you're free tomorrow, come visit Calvary Convention Center in Bukit Jalil.

If you've not been to Church for some time, come and experience our worship service.

Starts at 9AM. You can't miss our convention center along the road to Bukit Jalil.
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post Jul 21 2015, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 11:25 PM)
Have you considered maybe it is not about the destination, but the journey of it? That is not about whether if there is an end, but if there is a meaning? Complicated, is really just another way of saying different, due to the difference we find in people, and calling them "not simplistic" in order to deny them freedom could be to hasty to pass that sort of judgement. And that meaning if simply the hunger for knowledge, not to satisfy it, but to create meaning in the momentum of celebrating and garnering the all that has been given to us in the universe, and to give meaning to our need of curiosity not as a curse, but as an acceptance of who we are.
That is why, new information is important, and if there are areas where science and religion has not covered accordingly, there's philosophy as well.
It would be refreshing if a Christian would begin taking other sources of wisdom that is not only from the bible. And the thirst is not for quenching. It is for meaning. Not by ignorance that by simply forgoing the need for curiosity.
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Bro.

The Christian Life is a Huge Journey by itself. It's a whole lot of discovery. I'm not saying to stop pursuing knowledge.
I'm saying the seeking of Life Certainty stops at God. Only found in Him. The things of Man cannot provide you what God can.

And God says to Seek Him while He may be found, which is now the age of Grace.

Because there will come a time where God will shut Heaven and Earth and says enough is enough. Where New Heaven and Earth will emerge.
You can see the birthpangs of this planet. It's evident. This world will end one day. Doesn't matter when. Your life is limited. So the door will be shut one day.

To reject that is telling God, I got this on my own. And thus God being God will oblige by your decision.


Read this Bro. I don't know if it speaks to you.

Isaiah 55

Invitation to the Thirsty

1 “Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.

2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.

3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.

5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.”

6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.


7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”




Verse 1, It's talking about your thirst and hunger for fulfillment.
Verse 2, talks about the vanity of the pursuit of Man in life in the things of Man.
Verse 3, talks about the New Testament Covenant of Christ for your life.
Verse 4-5, talks about Christ his Son as the one who will inevitably rule as the Right Ruler of all Nation in the end.
verse 6, talks about NOW is your time of opportunity. It will not always be there.
Verse 7, talks about let those who are evil continue to be evil, as their ultimate end will come on Judgement Day.
Verse 8, talks about why your methodology of trying to explain or seek God will never work.

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post Jul 21 2015, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 20 2015, 06:48 AM)
Erm. Do not fall apart at the seams by imagining an insinuation that isn't there in the first place. I am merely making a point that Christians should embrace different sources of knowledge and wisdom, including the ones outside of the Bible. Note that all of these happen simply because I posted a video that only appears to be controversial to Christians, because of its title, but I was imploring all to at least attempt to understand why do people think the way they do, and the way how we think the way we do.
Again, you are imagining these "suggestions". I am merely saying that knowledge and wisdom requires an update and exposure from the very world we live in. Even if Christianity implies that this is not the world we should be aiming for, it is undeniable that we were placed upon this world in order to live our lives with it. We have souls, but were given physical bodies. If we are to deny our physical selves, what is then the meaning of our physicalities?
As stated by Sophiera's comment, the Tower of Babel could be an occult ritual site. Black magic and all. And while the story teaches about the downfall of humanity due to his or her arrogance, this does not translate into the same manner for simply wanting knowledge and wisdom. You can acquire knowledge and wisdom AND still be humble about it.


I do not think you will know exactly what will transpire when such an event happens.
Splitting the focus is exactly the main point. I have read the bible, but it does not provides all the answers. It was taught that the clay should not say to the maker, "what makest thou?". it certainly did not prevent the clay from trying to ask, "what makes me, and everything else the way it is?"
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Well, that's just it, we all have been seeking the meaning of life. I think deep inside, we all wonder is there really God? How to know which is right, which is the truth.
I find that only in Christianity, the figurehead made that claim and also paved the way for us, help us by holding us by the hand, leading us in the way, one that is easy to understand and achieve.


Other religion: All on your own. They provide the method, now you try to make it and achieve it, on your own.



I find that the wisdom or philosophies of the meaning of Life in other religion has this problems.
Their end goal of enlightenment, Salvation, nirvana, whatever the term, ALL depends on self.
How strong you are, How much Good deeds you have done, whether you have done enough to qualify. Something along this line.


I'll come straight to the point to say I don't think it's workable because as long as we are clothed in this earthly body, we are flawed in many ways. As long as we are flawed, there's no way you'll know, you'll make it or achieve it.

I would venture to say this God of the Christianity understand us so much more and makes more sense compared to the rest. And to answer your last point I think I have the right to say that God is right for saying that because after knowing Him for so long. All the things that He ever does, is always for my good and never evil. Who am I to question his wisdom after been proven that I'm wrong time and time again.

Romans 9:20
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"

When you don't know God, of course you'll think as how you did because there is no trust, between you and Father God.

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post Jul 21 2015, 02:33 PM

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I don't know what to believe anymore... biggrin.gif
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post Jul 22 2015, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 21 2015, 06:18 PM)
UW I want to ask something about your signature.

'Atheist vehemently deny the existence of God and yet readily open to accept the idea of an alternate reality parallel universe. Topkek Pot calling Kettle black.'

Why is it topkek pot. Is it because it's impossible or...?
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Alternate Universe means a world where our secondary actions takes effect.
Meaning that when you're face with Choice A & B, you do the Choice A, the Choice B happens in another dimension, another universe.


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post Jul 22 2015, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 21 2015, 10:49 PM)
Ohh nice movie there..

I remember when I visited Cambodia, there's a shop selling this cupcake, and the brand is called "Topcake."

But I don't understand what is "Topcake calling cattle black?"  hmm.gif

Isn't it supposed to be "Pot calling kettle black?"
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I don't know if it's from 9gag (don't visit there) but I do know it's /k/tard lingo I suppose.
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post Jul 22 2015, 08:50 AM

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Sophiera


Hebrews 10:26 (NIV) - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,


This deliberately sinning is referring to Apostasy.

If you read the following words after that; "after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left," it means, rejecting Christ's Sacrifice once and for all and rather going back to the sacrifice of bulls and goats as in the days of the Old Covenant.

That is the context of sinning deliberately. This message was for the Hebrews, the Jewish people.

It is not referring to sin of morality.

If you read from the beginning of hebrews 10 why it so painstakingly explain about sacrifices.


I hope this answers your question.

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post Jul 22 2015, 10:17 AM

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Bible Devotions with UW

SINFUL UNBELIEVING HEART

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Hebrews 3:12 (NIV) - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.


I've heard from the Holy Spirit this morning and I want to share with you this passage in hebrews 3:12. Praise God. When his miracle come, sometimes it's like a flood. biggrin.gif
One good thing after another. Our God is a good God Amen?

There is this question. Why as Christian, we don't receive from God, why we don't hear him, why we don't receive some miracle like some other Christians do.

And He wants you to receive his divine power and the question is, what is stopping this. Ready to receive the word?

I'll begin with this.

Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. The word slave in the KJV was translated as servants. (John 8:35)

Many times we feel like this. We feel more of a servant than a Son. That we need to work for God enough, pray enough, read the Bible enough, be pious enough.
In other words, we are always trying to achieve, work for it. Trying to earn the place. Trying to be in the position where God actually ALREADY gave to us, before we think we qualify to receive. This is the wrong perception our flesh (corrupted nature) tries to embed in us.

Unless you know what you have, you cannot give. Unless you know who you are, you cannot receive and bless others.
You are pretending, it's a pseudo identity, you are pretending, trying to become, because deep down inside, you don't really believe that you're a Christian.
You're "trying" to be a Christian. This is the problem, some of you are facing.

That is pretense, that is where the word "hypocrite" comes from, you're trying to be who you're not. If God calls you a saint, then you're a saint by faith.

But here is the problem. You cannot receive the Grace of God unless you whole heartedly accept what God says about you.

God says you are righteous by Faith and yet we keep trying be righteous by our performance. This is one big struggle for every Christian. Myself included at times.
We don't really accept Grace for what it is. That we are made righteous not of our own merit and yet we struggle for this. And I can explain why.

See, it's easier to trust that we are righteous by the merits of our effort than to believe that we are when we have done nothing about it. Did you hear me? I'll say this again.
It's easier to trust that we are righteous by the merits of our effort than to believe that we are when we have done nothing about it.

Hebrews 3:12 calls this a sinful unbelieving heart.

Until you begin to accept this completely, that God already receive you as a Son more than a slave/servant. That you are made Righteous because you believe in Christ. Your Sins are already dealt with and put away at the cross completely forevermore. Until you accept and believe this wholeheartedly, you will have have problems receiving from God. Why? Because you walk not by faith but by the sight of your performance. Until you repent this in mind and spirit, you'll be kept in this cycle of unbelieving loop.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will give you insight unto all that has been said and explained.

God Bless.

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post Jul 23 2015, 09:56 AM

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Bible Devotions with UW

Being RICHLY provided to Enjoy Life, is God's will

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1 Timothy 6:17 (NIV) - Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.


I know some of you are discussing about wealth, prosperity and all that. Don't be too quick to be offended by mention of the word wealth or prosperity because If God already put you in the position of being prospered (meaning that you're better off than most people) or is going to put in that position, then you'll have to despise God else you'll be a hypocrite for attacking other but receiving this yourself without condemnation.

I know many of you are taught traditionally to hate any Christian having Big Houses, Jet Planes and all that. But before you start to even demonize this devotion, Can I remind you, God prospered Great Man of God with Big Houses, jet planes, Riches with Silver, Cattle, Servants, Gold, etc back in days before the Bible was compiled into a book form.

I'm sure you know who are these Patriarchs.


My argument is always this. One that I find no Christian is able to refute.

If God truly despite wealth and prosperity for his Children, None of them would have had it (GIVEN by God) and be recorded in the Bible, Job for example. A VERY good example.

The most common argument that most Christian has against Wealth and Prosperity are the verses that talks ill about money. It's always this argument that has shaped their thinking but I find it, is usually done without understanding the overall context of the Bible.

The key to understand whether prosperity or being blessed with Things (Material, Physical), is right or wrong, is it find out if it's God's will in the first place?
If you can find a verse that supports this, then you have a strong base to argue the rest of the extended argument away.

I will give you 2 scripture verse that strong supports otherwise.

1 Timothy 6:17 & Jeremiah 29:11.

First and foremost, 1 Timothy 6:17 talks about being provided in some or just meagre little things for our enjoyment. Because God knows if you're given everything, you'll be destroyed. Did I quote 1 Timothy 6:17 correctly?

Secondly Jeremiah 29:11 is only meant for the Children of Israel. I guess then God must have made some errors in the writings of Galatians 3:7, Galatians 3:9 and Romans 9:8. It must have been a mistake inserted purposely by money hungry Bible Scribes to hoodwink Christians that God wants to Bless his children to inherit this world. I guess Proverbs 13:22 must be a lie too and Ecclesiastes 2:26 was an admission by mistake.

I guess I should stop before it's too much to take in and digest.

I find that most Christian do not know how to differentiate between the Love of Money and being Blessed to prosper by God. They just cannot separate the two. Either ignorantly, purposely or jealousy, either one is always true.

Most of you have been grounded well on Bible teachings on this, So I will not bombard you with more scripture verses but appeal to your spiritual judgment.

With all that being said. I'll just close with this................................................................................wisdom if you agree.

Don't pursue <insert taboo thing for Christians to talk about>. Don't love <insert taboo thing for Christians to talk about>.

But Allow God to bless you financially, prosperous and use it to bless others and make friends. (Please REALLY do read, Luke 16:9 for your spiritual insight sake)

God Bless.







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post Jul 23 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 23 2015, 03:59 PM)
Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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Condolence Bro.


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post Jul 23 2015, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 23 2015, 05:50 PM)
@UW

This I understand

Wealth is really needed to help left other people out of poverty. A destitute man cannot feel another destitute neighbour. It takes someone with resources to get new sources of food, or build a well, or improve housing.

Otherwise we wouldn't be constantly collecting funds to help the poor.
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We'll talk about this another time when the time is right.


Now I urge friends if you can spare 1 minute to just pray for God to comfort Luffy.

It may be an accident that caused His dad to pass on, but it's no accident that Luffy's dad has entered Heaven where all Pain and Tears END.

For that I hope Luffy you can rejoice and find strength in God. Take Heart.
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post Jul 24 2015, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 24 2015, 01:50 AM)
It's too hard bro, now that my father is no longer around but i can't help but think how much he suffer due to a school boy fault who is speeding
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Well try to think this way. Now He suffers no more but enjoying and just started to taste eternal life With Jesus.

Isn't that far better than when He's here suffering from health problem?

This is reality Bro Luffy, not some wishful thinking.

Our physical body are all temporary housing for our spirit. Our Real Home is Where God's kingdom is.

This is the whole point of the Gospel, why Jesus came, why you became a Christian. Why you fight the good fight of Faith.



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