Thats where u got it wrong.

U sound like u r calling a square table round. You not making sense.

Whats wrong with asking the church to see itself more inward...bring in spirit of togetherness n fellowship? Is that evil?

Is it the biggest in South East Asia?
Well that sucks. Why does he need to ask such questions anyway? Where's the fellowship ? camaradrie? Sheesh...

Maybe the change should start with you too. Not everybody is perfect you know. Maybe they have their own set of problems.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/asia/199555...est-church.html 

The Calvary Church reminds me of the Star Trek ship or something...it even look like a fish. hehe...

I know nobody is perfect but the church should at least bring forth the message of fellowship is also important. But its now too overfocus on serving in ministries and expanding kingdom. The church policy is, once you start serving, the blessing will come. I mean, what they trying to fool us with this message? This is like labour exploitation, man.

Correct me if I am wrong, the blessing as expoused by Paul means the feeling of self satisfaction and self fulfillingness. But the congregation gets fooled into thinking if they serve, then their need for something in their life will be fulfilled. Eg, if a person is feeling depressed or suicidal, he or she, by serving probably would  feel the emptiness be filled by Jesus but they don't feel that their problem is being addressed on why they feel that way in the first place? Praying is one way, but its only limited to altar call, the church does not prepare counselling services. Nor do they have proper bible study to strengthen the consumption of bread knowledge among brethren for equippng.

For me, its like feeling a belonging to the church, like a family. I mean if the church did try to put in an effort to foster fellowship but did not go down well with the congregation, I would understand. But there's no message, zilch, naada on fellowship and importance of feeling belonging to the church. All they just bother is to work the member till he is so dry and burn out. The church have multiplied cell groups until some of the them are the size of 3. The days when I used to go to church and cg was 20 and over, we used to have diversity, sit down during supper and talk about this n that, it was so exciting then. Now its like we go supper just the 3 or 4 of us. I go to church I feel like a stranger.

It's an obligation for a Christian to go church, this as much I know.

I also know that there's no perfect church, I just want to find a church with the less hypocrites possible because the previous ones I have been to is just waaaay to much to handle. No rush though. I just want a church in which I can find peace going to.

You got my meaning wrong. I am saying church is telling members if they serve, all their self fulfillness and satisfaction will be covered. They do this by saying when you bless others, you will in turn be blessed. This is not right. No wonder so many get burn out. Its not a genuine message. Why can't church tell us, at least this is more honest, that we serve out of love and care for the people out there. We serve for we are God's people of love. Not because we want to get blessed as what the church is fooling us.

If Hebrews 6:10 applies then explain to me, why I have two christian elderly sisters who are still struggling in have their prayers answered? THe elder sister who have served for over 25 years for the church, praying everyday for her sister who is have mental problems from her depression. This sister is now 68 years old, have been taking the burden of caring her mentally unstable sister who is 60 years old, for almost all her life. She has actively served. Has she received the help to have her sister healed? Nope.

In actual fact, if you observe her sister, she looks normal, just that from her young adult days, she was afflicted with severe depression that caused her to loose her ability to function socially. She used to work in a bank, but since then, she has many mental flips and had to take medication periodically.

So the reward is not in this world we live in, am I right to say? Its in the eternal life.

But the church DUMC is still sending the wrong message, they are telling us that if we serve, our needs will be fulfilled. Such as single guys who yearn to start their own families, men n women who yearn to have a satisfactory career,  people who are afflicted with sickness...they think by serving their needs be fulfilled.

If I don't complain and argue, it still be the same situation. People are people, they won't acknowledge or give me credit for my ideas. But when I speak up, somehow they will go to people's subconscious mind and make them take up my ideas. Already New Creation Church have come out with Prosperity Blessing, because they notice how burn out people are from serving with this type of "Channel" of churches.

I don't think so. How can an enemy be resisting and not answering the prayers of those people I see who so committed to the church?

For eg, I know this guy who is so committed to serving the church. He spends like his whole weekends on helping the poor, needy and even serving church at various ministries. He wakes up at 4:30 am goes to church just to pray and meditate. Yet he is afflicted by skin problems, ezcema. He claims that he is completely healed from ezcema due to his strict diet of chia seeds and goes for intestine cleaning. But his skin looks gaunt and discoloured. His yearning for a wife is not answered. He is already 45 years old. He quit his social job of helping needy to go and work as internal auditor, but after 6 months, they weren't happy with his performance and didn;t confirm him. HE fell in love with a girl at church, but it took him 2 years to go after her. He realized that she wasn't for him, when she got married.

Disaster after disaster. You telling me that an enemy is resisting him? He still holds on to God and he prays fervently, he is still very positive about life despite his suffering.

I don't think he is ever going to get his prayers answered. I think the ask and you shall receive, somehow was taken out of context. Perhaps you got to check what you're asking if its in Godly intentions first. Or else, I be asking God for a lamborgini.

then why are there so many christians at my church, their prayers are not answered?

They are made to believe that they have to serve more and go for more altar calls to remove their ailments or have their needs answered.

What principality could be holding them? My auntie who is active at DUMC, dedicated her whole life to Christ. She yearns for a man in her life, but never find, she also suffers from pimple ailments, today her face is all scarred. But yet being raised by her 8 years when I was young, I never ever notice anything that's holding her back.

How is it possible that a big shot, implicated in the murder of woman and found billions in his bank account, can receive more blessings than those who serve the church so fervently?

How do you explain Stephen being stoned to death, when all he ever wanted was for people to believe his message? He faced obstacles and got stoned because of principalities resisting him?

Then you are proving my point to be true. The church is going the wrong direction by telling people to serve to receive their blessing. The church are not pin pointing and addressing what's plaguing their congregation. They are not finding the root cause of the burn out and tiredness the church is facing.

Serving at the church and confessing at altar alone is not going to solve people's problem and iron out their sins.

You know what's the solution to unforgiveness and grudges? Its not by reading the word alone or participating in church work, its putting Jesus's kindness into practice. Like fellowship and edifying one another. What happen to the camaderie, the laughter? the accountability? As what tinararhian said?

But coming back to what you said about principalities. If its really that some of these christians are not receiving their blessings due to grudges and unforgiveness, then how would you explain why we christians, chinese and DAP are receiving all the hatred and abuse from the ruling party and PAS? Is it because we have forgiveness in our hearts that we are facing persecution?

2 Corinthians 3:17 (NIV) - Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Yeah, I can relate to that but important thing is it does not shaken our Faith in our belief and the rest should take time and have a clear head to handle if you know what I mean.
Oh, and Atari had the best and durable joystick!

But it was difficult for me during my Atari time bcos I cannot afford to purchase the data recorder which cost almost the same price as the computer/keyboard unit. So I have to type the whole game in (code from game magazine) to play them! It took me like almost an hour depend on the type of game. More complicated game, the more code you need to type in. So like after playing for a couple of hours and you decide to stop, you switch it off and everything is gone and you need to type those code in again if you want to play them again. It was difficult but when you look back, you realized that you learn a lot from doing that.

Commodore was good too. I remembered there is one popular game (can't remember the name) and the reviewed was that its worth to purchase a commodore just to play that game!

Ahhhh, are we deviating from chatwarrior?????

Duh, he must be in bed by now. . . .

chatwarrior pass his bed time. 

Yeah, I can relate to that but important thing is it does not shaken our Faith in our belief and the rest should take time and have a clear head to handle if you know what I mean.
Oh, and Atari had the best and durable joystick!

But it was difficult for me during my Atari time bcos I cannot afford to purchase the data recorder which cost almost the same price as the computer/keyboard unit. So I have to type the whole game in (code from game magazine) to play them! It took me like almost an hour depend on the type of game. More complicated game, the more code you need to type in. So like after playing for a couple of hours and you decide to stop, you switch it off and everything is gone and you need to type those code in again if you want to play them again. It was difficult but when you look back, you realized that you learn a lot from doing that.

Commodore was good too. I remembered there is one popular game (can't remember the name) and the reviewed was that its worth to purchase a commodore just to play that game!

Ahhhh, are we deviating from chatwarrior?????

Duh, he must be in bed by now. . . .

Wow they have text based RPG? 

And I thought Dungeon and Dragon board games is boring.

DUMC church. The one in PJ.
What the heck kind of gaming is that? Can't I just type, "I win" ?

What if the hero needs to eat or go pee?

She's from Germany

She's from Germany

Prayer request :

My daughter Augustina Lee been sick for more than a week.. rashes come n go come n go.. for 1 week de.. been to visit doctors fews time de.. n coughing with phlegm now... quite serius..

she dun wan take medicine tat the main issue.. n we found out tat dutchlady milk powder coz she to allegy(mayb batch got problem coz she taking it for more than 1yr de)

pls pray for the phlegm to be removed.. no more new rashes..  thks bro n sis

THE TWO ASPECTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

The Essential Aspect for Life

The Spirit has two aspects - the essential and the economical aspects. Essential means relating to the essence, necessary to the constitution and existence, hence, of life and being. The essential aspect is that the Spirit would come into us, bringing us the divine essence to be our life and life supply. By this aspect we may live and have our being in God to express God. Man was made by God to have God’s life and to express God. This aspect of the Spirit fulfills that intention.

The Economical Aspect for Power

Economical means pertaining to the economy, necessary to the out-working of God’s household administration, hence, of power and work. The economical aspect is that the Spirit would clothe us with power so that we do God’s work of preaching the gospel, shepherding the young ones, perfecting the saints, and building up the church. Man was redeemed and regenerated to become partners of Christ in building up His church according to God’s economy. This aspect of the Spirit fulfills that requirement.

THE INWARD FILLING OF THE SPIRIT FOR LIFE

In John 14:16-17 Jesus said, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter…even the Spirit of reality…shall be in you.’’ In John 16:7, He said further, “If I go I will send Him (the Comforter) to you.’’ Before the Lord’s death, He promised the troubled disciples that He needed to go to the cross in order for the Spirit of reality to be sent. The Spirit of reality was to be in the disciples to bring to them all the divine realities of the Father and the Son. This was fulfilled on the day of resurrection according to John 20:19-22, “When therefore it was evening on that day, the first day of the week…Jesus came and stood in the midst…He breathed into them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.’’ By the breathing in, the disciples received the Spirit of reality into them for life and life supply, since the Spirit is also the life-giving Spirit.

In Acts, the disciples continued to experience the inward filling. Acts 13:52 says, “And the disciples were made full of joy and of the Holy Spirit.’’ The Greek word used here is pleroo meaning filling inwardly to fullness. With the inward filling, we have joy as one of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23).

THE OUTWARD FILLING OF THE SPIRIT FOR POWER

In Luke 24:49 the Lord Jesus said, “I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you…until you are clothed with power from on high.’’ In Acts 1:4-8 He also said, “Wait for the promise of the Father…you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you.’’ He talked about the promised Spirit of power after His resurrection, before His ascension. Although the disciples had already received the Holy Spirit to be their life and life supply, they still needed the power of the Holy Spirit to work for God. In order to preach the gospel, they needed to bind the devil and loose the sinners, they needed boldness, and they needed various manifestations of gifts. Therefore, they must wait for the clothing of power by the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost according to Acts:2:1-4, “And when the day of Pentecost was being fulfilled…they were all filled with the Holy Spirit.’’ The Greek word used here for “filled’’ is pletho meaning filling outwardly. They were empowered by the outward filling. Right after that, they went out to preach the gospel with boldness and power. We all need this type of experience in our daily church life.