I surrender.

Rule of the thumb. Never argue with a Girl/Woman.

I dunno, think I just want an easy going fellowship here.

I presume that you're a Christian......

Surrender this worry to God then pray for what you need and stop worrying about it.

When you refuse to worry, it is an act of Faith on your part and God (as far as I know) is faithful to what He says that He will act when you put your trust.

I know easier said than done but you'll gain nothing either by being stressed out so might as well embark on this Faith journey.

cheers bro.

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Take Heart and Pray.

I haven't even touch one durian this season.

haih.

Hi Sophie,

You're right, you got to see the bigger picture by linking in all the verses together. What you quoted is in chapter 10, try reading chapter 6 first.

Read Hebrews 6:4-6

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.


These 2 chapters are synonymously linked. On the surface reading, in plain english, it may sound like "once we are christians, if we keep on deliberately sinning, there is no more Salvation" But as you know that contradicts because the Bible also says "If we confess our sins, God is faithful to forgive". How can God says He will forgive and yet here puts up a warning, that it is impossible to be brought back for repentance and there's no more sacrifice of sins left despite that He will forgive? English interpretation of Greek writings in the context of Hebrew words can be confusing when we don't know the entire context.

In Hebrew 6:4, the word used is enlightened, In Hebrews 10:26, the word used "after we have received the knowledge of truth"

Truth here is on the side of God's Grace. (John 1:17), I submit to you, the entire context here is talking about rejecting the Covenant of Grace and insisted on Going back to the Law to be justified.

In Simple english, when we have been enlightened (being made known) on the Gospel of God's grace (knowledge of Truth) and yet Reject Christ (someone who save us vs we trying to save ourselves), and insist of going back to performance based merit in justification to Salvation, then there is no more sacrifice of sins left (Which is correct anyway because God has nullified the Old Covenant anyway therefore there is no more the old system of Sin Sacrifice) and we trample the son of God, we treat him as an unholy thing and finally insulted the Spirit of God's Grace.

See the word "the blood of the covenant that sanctified them"? Hebrew 10:29 (NIV)

It's the Blood (Christ) that Sanctifies not the shadow (Law).

The very beginning of chapter 10 itself already painstakingly try to explain on the comparison of the Old Covenant and why Christ (Grace) came.

We need to persevere that we are always justified by faith in Christ, everyday and every second. Faith Faith Faith, Faith in the Son of God and NEVER once in ourselves all the way. (Hebrews 10:36)


PS: The thing that many Christians forget, we need to keep on coming to God everyday for dependency and the Faith to believe in Him for the overcoming life. Christ is the only root source for this victorious divine life. If you say that we need to be strong first and live right, thereby making ourselves worthy then only we qualify to come before God. And That is how and what Hebrew 10:26 means, then I always ask this question which will stumble their erroneous doctrine, then why did Christ Jesus need to come?

PS no2: Does it mean by the explanation above, we can sin as we like or we don't have to live right? the answer is, May it never be!. Same accusation leveled against Paul in Romans 6:1.

Cheers Sis.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 28 2015, 07:50 PM

I take that you're silent on this because you're not too sure of the explanation given?

I think the average christian or anyone reading this on surface value will think it's like this:

Those who keep on sinning against God willfully/Deliberately and do not want to repent, they are condemned to eternal judgement and punishment.
But those who repent, God is merciful and will forgive on the condition He truly repented or is remorseful of his sin. Keyword is True Repentance.

However, upon reading Hebrew 6 to 10 in complete detail, you won't find such doctrine as stated above in bold but talks more about the contrast of the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant. You know why?
Because it's the interpretation of a simple layman, the average Man's thought.

Not to say that the above statement has no merit but it's not what the chapters in Hebrew talks about.

Let me try to make it simpler in understanding.

Do you agree these 2 are quite the same in meaning?


1) Hebrew 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

2) Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

From "simplistic" pov, seems like it's saying...

1) Those who have fallen away (Sin) ...impossible to be brought back to repentance
2) Those who keep on sinning willfully...there is no salvation?


Fallen away here in the NLT ver says "turn away from God" which is also Sin Against God.

If you agree that fallen away here equates to Sinning against God then why is the Title under the NIV in Hebrews 5:11-14 is Warning Against Falling Away but talks about milk and solid food?

Ok I'll give u the clue, what is the Bible trying to say with regards to Elementary teachings (milk - Infancy) vs Maturity (Solid Food)?

What do you think?

Hint: it has everything to do with your

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,



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Better you catch up with your sleep. That's very important, not enough sleep would equate to not able to do anything much, then come back and read.




Hi Luffy, Install Spotify and you can search there's so many other worship platform other than hillsong.

Bethel church for example.

Have you heard this one?

This song was quite touching. Made me look up to Heaven.

Amy is part of Bethel Church, Redding worship team and family. For nearly a decade, Amy and her husband, Jason, journeyed through infertility and recently received breakthrough. Two weeks ago at church, Amy sang out her story in spontaneous worship, sparking a powerful moment of prayer, declaring that our circumstances are overcome by the h o p e & p r o m i s e of everything He is.


Our God is a God of such miracles. I've never heard of other gods doing such things.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 29 2015, 09:49 AM

Both songs are good but I think Song 1 is better, if you listened from Min 3.30 onwards, very uplifting.


btw if you can take longer period of music. check this out.

This IS POWERFUL!




This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 29 2015, 11:44 AM

I did. The scripture verse was the finishing sentence at the end.

Don't worry about it, that verse is not what you think it is.

Every Christians have committed willful disobedient in his/her life. That is why God's Grace is the answer that helps us and leads us onwards.

And it's available fresh everyday.

How about this passage in Romans 7?


21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 30 2015, 09:54 AM

If you have time, see President Barack Obama on Friday delivered a eulogy for the Rev. Clementa Pinckney.

The Eulogy qualify as a Church Sermon, because it's scriptural. So proud of Him. Would have admit Obama anytime as a Nation leader over Malaysia's.

Powerful Speech.

Er, nope but the pastor who died in the shooting tragedy was a Methodist, Obama as a Christian non denominational, giving scriptural eulogy for him.

Very Spot on message! What's even more amazing, He sang Amazing Grace at the end of the eulogy.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 30 2015, 10:13 AM

Romans 7 explains it clearest in verse 15 - 20


15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.


As long as we are in this earthly body, the Sin nature which the Bible call the Flesh is in us. We need to be careful with definition. The Bible states that we have the nature of Flesh but we are not the flesh. We are a new creation in Christ.

That is why it's a daily battle for the repentance of the mind to believe that we (already) ARE a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come. Even though it doesn't seem like it. Why? Because of our body. Until we are cloth with our new Heavenly Body, this flesh nature is still there.

It is not the striving of our actions that changes but the repentance of the mind. Bible says Be transform by the renewing of our mind. Church traditionally preaches, repentance through our action but Bible say repentance start in the mind area first. Sometime it's because of wrong preaching using fear and intimidation of Hell, we get messed up in wrong theology. That to me is Man's teaching not of God. God's way is that his Grace always comes first (mercy, kindness and favor) that leads us to repentance.

So with this in mind, do you understand what Hebrews 10:26 is trying to say?

The key word here is not so much on deliberate sinning but "no sacrifice for sins is left". That is a very BIG Clue, what it's trying to convey.

Hello,

you can search for Hillsong playlist in Spotify under these recommended Album


1. No Other Name (Deluxe Edition/Live)
2. Glorious Ruins (Live)

Link the Bible in it's entirety.

The main theme is this: Apart from Christ, there is no hope and neither is repentance nor Salvation made available. The Law of God cannot provide this for us.
We already know this because we are handed with the complete Bible.


If you read Hebrews 10: 1-18, it explains why the Law cannot make us Holy, neither justify us or cleansed our sins. But by One Act of Christ, God has removed every sins of the believer forever. Verse 18 says it like this:

And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.


Do you see that? Sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. What Jesus did was a DONE deal once and for all.

However, these people at that time, rejected Christ, despite having seen all that Christ has spoken and done. For them no sacrifice for sins is left. Because God has set aside and nullified the first covenant. (Hebrews 10:9 & Hebrews 8:13)

If you're concern about deliberate /willful sinning part, perhaps if you see this verse, you may understand better.

Hebrews 3:12 (NIV) - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

Meaning Unbelief is a Sin.

If you replace the word deliberate sinning with deliberate unbelief and read further down from Hebrews 10: 27-31, you may began to see the revelation.

After all, In Hebrews 3:13 it did say to encourage one another day after day and Hebrews 10:25 does say not giving up meeting together..


All these in context of encouraging one another through assemblies of the Church to spur on Faith.


If you look from Bird's eye view of all these. It's talking about people who willfully or deliberately reject Christ or choose not to believe in Him, for them, there is no more sacrifice of sins left and be brought back to repentance.
(Hebrews 10:26 & Hebrews 6:6).

Just ignore them. Obama is a Christian and is trying his best.

Don't just listen to rumours or what people say, if you check his speech, He is also Pro Life enough to support to reduce the number of abortion.

With that being said, I also believe God is sovereign enough to ensure which fetus get through the process of birth.

This is something beyond you and me to judge.

And before you bring up the issue of LBGT, for that He will answer for his actions if God asked in the after life.

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I never deny He implemented abortion policy, what I'm trying to say is don't think that He only wants abortion one sided, He also wants it reduced if possible.

Check out his youtube video on this matter, you can find it easily to support what I say is balanced.