Not everyone accepting JESUS, that is why i asked you to pray for these ppl

will my teaching methods u say cursing matters with what JESUS wants ?

Yes, I shall not pray until you cease your cursing.

Your siggy made me curious. Are you a proponent of Prosperity Gospel?

Precisely thats what dummmcc is turning to..the ministry of law. I attend bsf bible study...i just don't want another bible study on sunday. I felt their policies r killing creativity n lively brain cells. Like their cell multiplication policy has no basis. They just multiply for sake of doing it. For eg a cg of 20...church decided to multiply...but they nvr consider that 8 members were inactive so after split the cg got 5 members n the other 4 members. Over course of 3 yrs..both cg vaporized bcause members drop out one by one. Leadership dont even bother to merge the cg.

Then leadership training conducted like mlm...expansionist policies...i attended a cg that the asst cg leader was undergoing training for cell multiplication. But she was actually practising on vanity bullying older women at her cg..n attracting other guys attention. She was protected by the cg leader even after complains...then she cause several problems.

That and the ongoing crisis around the world.

We have to be prepared for the second coming.

I have a friend in DUMC who said that since Jesus is coming, he doesn't want to get married and start a family. 

Hey guys - I've got a question and I think this is probably the right place to ask.

I'm not a Christian but I've been curious about churches and masses.

Am I allowed to just go to a church and be there during a mass?

That's because they gave their tithing with a wrong revelation.

A lot of people give with a sense of unjustified self importance.

Does it really necessary to give at least 10% of your clean income for the month for tithe?

it looks like there is divine intervention ... (for me)

I was googling WWJD, to prepare the second thread and i found the WWJD thread (original link is below) is duplicated by boardreader.com

the original thread is below
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3571863

duplicated by boardreader.com link below
http://boardreader.com/thread/WWJD_for_mal...8pxkX24k2f.html

It's not what i want, surely both of you know what i want. But the important things is the youtube videos are preserved. Why youtube video matters ?
people needs Q&A sessions and the Youtube should address most of the questions in page 1. The post is there to help people.

due to trolling activities, most of the entries are simply trash. Most people also don't read the atheist trash there. They are looking for the youtube.

I got my divine intervention ? GOD preserves the entries since 7 months ago. how about you two and fusionX ?

if you need help with your life, feel free to ask me. Year 2016 is not a good at all.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/12/13/...-and-few-gains/
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/...-Producers.html
http://investorplace.com/2015/12/2016-bad-...t/#.Vn0SAvl96M8

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Most Christians (including me in the past) and especially non-Christian tends to approach the Bible in a natural and religious way. They expected the text to tell them whether a thing is right to do or not. They are concerned with these questions most of the time while missing the "bigger" picture.
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You meant a continualist ....

Still around.

My cg leader ask me to join the church membership, I refuse because I am against the church policy and I still want my tithes to go to para church organization, I don't want to make an oath to contribute all my 10% to the church who doesn't know how to fully utilise it. I was treasury for the church before, so I don't like the way funds been distributed around.

Looks like no church wedding.

I don't think so "pride" is the right term to be used here though.

kron_ka is not wrong in disliking how the church utilizes the tithes and although the church has the ultimatum in deciding how the tithes are being allocated, I still think each individual has the right to inquire where these funds go. i understand that the 10% belongs to God and once you part with money, you must not be concerned on how it's being spent because technically speaking otherwise it seems like you have placed too much emphasize on money than anything BUT we have to know, the individual behind the control of the funds is a human being capable of temptation.

I'm sure everyone here knows the 10% is not OUR money but we still need to ensure that the purpose of the tithes are being use properly. If we have knowledge that the tithes are being utilized inefficiently, must we continue funding them?

When it comes to money, I don't think anyone can be impartial.

I was born as a Christian and my parents were devoted Christians, they did everything according to the book and we never question anything and it was on one fateful Sunday session that my dad finally saw what was that church is all about. The pastor's wife (who led the Mandarin session) called out to my dad for a "special" prayer in front of the crowd and told my dad "if my dad stop giving tithes then God will take away everything God has given to us".

I have no idea how the pastor's wife knew that my parents stop giving tithes (probably they had a list) but it was a period where we were very financially unstable. At that point, I somehow think the church don't practice what they preached. We stopped going to church after that.

I returned a few years later only to find that it is as if nothing changes, in fact, it seems like it became worst.

The pastor has 3 children in which 2 of them "received the calling" to serve God (Amen to that) but what i dislike is that they started producing recordings of them and selling it within church compound. I find that they were "hard-selling" them. This is not the worst.

I knew that the pastor and his wife goes for missionary trips (which is fine by me) but what I find uncomfortable is that every time they go, their whole family goes with him and it's not to 3rd world countries but European countries such as the Czech, Germany etc.

My question is, was it necessary for the entire family to go when it should only be the church leaders?

Its not the first time I heard of this. I know a friend who was part of the big church treasury, he was against a "building" project. But the rest of the committee was "YES MAN" for the church. THey all approved the church building project which lead the church into financial trouble.

He was right all along, and half the church left because the leadership approved a big project which they could not afford. Only many years after it was completed after many delays.

Cessasionism or Continualist, those are just terms that has no meaning. Sugar coated ideologies being exploit by selfish individuals for their own benefit in the pretense of serving God. With that said, that does not mean that I don't agree there are still good pastors left but eventually, they will stray when they see the finances flowing in.

I don't feel disgruntled after tithing, I just feel like the funds were being abused by the individual whom the people trust. My purpose of tithing was so that they could be advanced to expand God's Kingdom and not to make prosper the pastor and his family's welfare. I was delighted when the pastor reported that monies were being advanced to support small churches growth in rural areas like those in Africas etc. THAT is supposed to be the purpose.

What's funny is that the pastor in my previous church preached if the leader is prosperous then he can lead the followers to the same route. To my surprise, everyone just shouted Amen. What logic is that? For what I know, the pastor had bought a new 3 storey bungalow and changed multiple cars and also brought his entire family overseas on "missionary trips" and yet, I still see members driving an aged Mazda 3.

It may not be fair but take example of the City Harvest case, I do not know which school you subscribed to but I saw a clear cut breach of trust which is criminal in nature and YET, the church goers went on and trust the leader. They call it faith but I deemed that such obedience was because they fear, fearing that they may anger God if they stopped doing what the leaders told them.

My point is this, if someone feel "disgruntled" (in your words) when tithing, this is not because they are not in sync with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not compel you to do wrong things instead it warns you that something is not right so when an individual feel that they are tithing to the wrong church, then it is the Holy Spirit telling you something. One must not be advised to console it and deemed such discomfort as a sign of moving away from having faith in God.

One must always remember. We placed our faith in God and not in the pastor. They are not God. 
That was my understanding as well and I find the church is in absolute contradiction. At one point they are preaching mercy and at the other, telling you things like this.

As far as I know, I didn't remember believing in Hitler or a socialist God.

Whatever it is, I stopped going to church for a few years now but my faith for God is still strong. In spite of my deliberate absenteeism, God has never left me and has been with me along.

Nowadays, I feel like people going to church is not to worship God but rather to social and "show off" under the veil of "fellowship". The fact that people gossip about each other immediately after the sermons within the church compound sickens me.