Who is David Bowie? Beats me, I only heard of him yesterday. 

For those who are as blur as I am, here's an article about him.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/11/entertai...tion/index.html

Yes just like our churches, who nowadays only care about investing in expanding the kingdom but not care about church welfare and community.

Just look at marriage and family ministry, nothing is invested into this? They think marriage counselling course is going to cover. Where are the marriage and family programs? We still need to ensure our kids are trained and counsel well in the ways of God.

Then nothing is mention about unity of the church. I feel like I am going to an alien church, I know nobody there, even people I worked with there, after a few months they forgotten who I am. We are a community, we need to stand together. We are relationship humans, we need to feel belong to a church. By saying this, means we need to be able to go to church and feel comforted by the fact we are with friends and Godly family. Only then our service of serving will be greatly improved.

But I suppose "serve, then you will be rewarded" edict seem to be the church order of the day. But they took it out of context, people of those days serve because they love Jesus not wanting something back. But churches like DUMC, are brainwashing telling people if you serve, you will get your prayer request from God, answered. Like the life partner you wish for, or the child for the barren couple, or the individual who so badly want to be a doctor. Serving won't reward you with this, serving itself is the reward. Its ridiculous to expect to find a life partner by merely serving, you need to invest time to go out and seek, if you're always serving in the weekends then what are the probabilities of you succeding in finding a life partner?

Cell group is so important but DUMC has multiplied all cgs that it is of miniscule size. Every meeting I go, there's only 4 of us. I don't even feel like I am in a community.

I hv been in dumc for 8 yrs.

I got a friend looking to work in AV dept, let me know if ur Church need one or DUMC.

I got a friend looking to work in AV dept, let me know if ur Church need one or DUMC.

Okay, if u know anyone in DUMC that needs people in AV let me know.

Okay, if u know anyone in DUMC that needs people in AV let me know.

Okay, if u know anyone in DUMC that needs people in AV let me know.

NO matter where you in DUMC its all the same. Nobody there is focus on friendships nor fellowship. Everybody is only focus on expanding God's kingdom. They have completely neglected marriage and family growth. Isn't expanding God's kingdom also through the family ministry?

I see very few family oriented programs at the church. All they have is strict marriage counselling courses and meetings to prevent couples from getting divorced. I once was doing some photostating at the church, the counselling room is always full...the poor kids sit out there, while the parents argue who gets to do the chores with the pastor sitting in the middle trying to mediate.

Preventative programs is what I see, but i don't church organizing any family orientated activities.

I feel disconnected to the church, like I don't belong to it. I feel like a complete stranger there. I have moved to 3 different cgs over some period, they are all the same. There is no fellowship, during CNY no gathering, just meet every friday and argue and debate about our differences. Then I kena indoctrination, like some members try to brainwash me to their ways. Every Sunday service I go there, dunno a single person, oh there are some that I used to work with in some ministries, but after that few months of project, not even a hi or bye.

Eg, last week we just had a debate on migration, then i said i was so tired of the situation in Msia, that i want to migrate. Then one member, he is a stubborn 45 yr old guy (still single), he tried to indoctrinate me to make me believe that God will change the situation in Msia through prayer. He is confident that the political set back is only temporary. But i say if this is true, then why the christians in the middle east have been praying for change, after the fall of the Byzantine Empire, but yet after millenium they are still being persecuted as minority christians? My notion, is that as christians, we are meant to be salt and light of the earth and draw more people to Christ. But its not our role to change whats happening on the political landscape. Why?  Because we live in a fallen world, we not meant to belong to this world, we just here temporarily. I am not saying there won't be change in Malaysia but we got to be prepared, that there may not be any at all.

These are the kind of stubborn dogmatic christian single guys whom DUMC are raising these days. They are disjointed and unfriendly.

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Oh my...I gave away my Note 4 to my niece last year...hehe...

Did you know that you can back up your hp contacts to Google Drive?

Oh my...I gave away my Note 4 to my niece last year...hehe...

Did you know that you can back up your hp contacts to Google Drive?

Dumc cgs r dead. Size 5 to 8...no diversity.

Every friday the leader delibrately ask thought provoking questions end up we all in argument over whats right then i kena indoctrinated. No fellowship..cg leader delibrately not organize new year...cny...n xmas dinner. Sien.

Every friday feel like going to debate class.

Dumc cgs r dead. Size 5 to 8...no diversity.

Every friday the leader delibrately ask thought provoking questions end up we all in argument over whats right then i kena indoctrinated. No fellowship..cg leader delibrately not organize new year...cny...n xmas dinner. Sien.

Every friday feel like going to debate class.

I know nobody is perfect but the church should at least bring forth the message of fellowship is also important. But its now too overfocus on serving in ministries and expanding kingdom. The church policy is, once you start serving, the blessing will come. I mean, what they trying to fool us with this message? This is like labour exploitation, man.

Correct me if I am wrong, the blessing as expoused by Paul means the feeling of self satisfaction and self fulfillingness. But the congregation gets fooled into thinking if they serve, then their need for something in their life will be fulfilled. Eg, if a person is feeling depressed or suicidal, he or she, by serving probably would  feel the emptiness be filled by Jesus but they don't feel that their problem is being addressed on why they feel that way in the first place? Praying is one way, but its only limited to altar call, the church does not prepare counselling services. Nor do they have proper bible study to strengthen the consumption of bread knowledge among brethren for equippng.

For me, its like feeling a belonging to the church, like a family. I mean if the church did try to put in an effort to foster fellowship but did not go down well with the congregation, I would understand. But there's no message, zilch, naada on fellowship and importance of feeling belonging to the church. All they just bother is to work the member till he is so dry and burn out. The church have multiplied cell groups until some of the them are the size of 3. The days when I used to go to church and cg was 20 and over, we used to have diversity, sit down during supper and talk about this n that, it was so exciting then. Now its like we go supper just the 3 or 4 of us. I go to church I feel like a stranger.

If you really want to pursue the great commission, then you shouldn't be too afraid to share the gospel with the malays?

Did Jesus carried on his work even though his disciples may be suffering? No. When he say Peter's mother laid down there sick, he stopped all his work and healed her. Great commission without kindness = zero commission.

If missionaries miss out the genuine factor, then the people they are preaching to, will view them as fake.

You yourself answer the basic tenet, love one another. If church not emphasis on love one another, then how to have an effective Great Commission?

Everybody is following the DUMC formula for expansion, small or big, so what is the difference of moving to a smaller church which also want to focus on expansion rather than caring for one another.

No accountability at all, I once witnessed a cg member, he failed his subject, yet the cg not even bother to be accountable and help him back to his studies. Is this the kind of sample we want to tell to the rest out there? We see our brethren down but we don't care about him?

You know there was a time the Great Commission was going in the wrong direction. Do you recall when the King of Spain colonized South America and tried to christianized the whole continent? Ended up the local population was brutalized, persecuted and their own kingdoms destroyed (Inca and Mayan empire), ravaged by disease brought by Europeans and have their local resources plundered.

And what about the Spanish Inquisition? Jews were brutally murdered and tortured because they stuck to their own faith. Was this how to win the hearts and minds of unbelievers and win them over to Christ?

Everything needs time, but if the car is moving the wrong direction, then whatever time is needed is all going to waste.

So in the same sense, if churches stop focusing on caring, kindness and fellowship to one another, we will lose sight of the Great Commission. What good use, if we have the heart to win more souls but we damn our own brethren as if they are strangers?

I am not expecting perfection, of course, at times the church may not have people who are following 100% of what they preach, but at least move in the right direction.

oo;; Not sure why did you posted from the forum conversation but it seems that Kan misunderstood the word, "continuationism".

I don't know. I just listen to GOD, HE wanted me to put here. I think HE has some plan for some of our readers.