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post Jul 24 2015, 09:48 AM

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And we are his house

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Hebrews 3:6 (NIV) - But Christ is faithful as the Son over God's house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.


What an encouragement. First and foremost, God is Faithful.

Christ is Faithful as the Son over God's House. What does that mean? When Moses was given the task of being God's spokesperson and to deliver God's people out of the clutches of Pharaoh, he was faithful to commit himself as a servant over God's House. Moses was a type, a pictology of Christ where He represent the Gospel of delivering God's people out of Egypt. Egypt represents the World. God hid the revelation of the coming of his Son's deliverance for his people in the story of Moses.

Now in Hebrews 3:6, The word say Christ is the Faithful Son over God's House.

And Christ is one who is greater than Moses because He is the Son. A Son means one who inherits from the Father because He is part of the Family. But the greater point is this. Christ has more right and authority as a Son compare to a servant. And the key point here is that Christ is Faithful as the Son. What is God trying to say?

Here it is: God wants you to know, That God Salvation for you is very very assured under the trustable hands of his Son who is forever more Faithful.
It will not be a maybe, perhaps...but SURELY! Why? because Christ is faithful as the Son over God's house! He will do his part as promise as a Son.

What do we have to do? Read the following verse:

" if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory."

It is not your doing, your effort, works, obedience or whatever performance. You just have to trust in the Son in Faith, that He will represent you before Father God.

Think of it, this way, When A Bank gives you a letter of guarantee for RM50,000.00, Chop, sealed and signed, you know that it is for sure, without a doubt it will happen. Why? Because you have a black and white, a legal tender subjected to Laws and Regulation that will defend favourable on your behalf.

Same thing with Christ. Christ Death on the Cross, His Blood, Your Faith and The Holy Spirit is your legal tender that will defend favourable on your behalf against Satan's accusation and the judgement of God.

What God has said and promised, it will never return void.

I leave you with this closing verse:

Hebrews 6:18 (KJV) - That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Bless.

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post Jul 24 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(nestlebliss @ Jul 24 2015, 11:12 AM)
Hey guys... i wonder whats the christian view on spirituality... ?
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???


the Christian life is already spiritual.
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post Jul 24 2015, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(nestlebliss @ Jul 24 2015, 11:28 AM)
in what way? really curious no flame yo
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Our everyday life, under the watchful eyes of our God, our communion with Him (Daily Communication), protection, providence, answered prayers for every situation.

When we read his word (Bible), it speaks to us.

It's a 24/7 thing.
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post Jul 25 2015, 02:57 PM

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Beloved

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Hebrews 6:9(NIV) - But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.


You need to know Bible definition accurately so that Bible interpretation is correct. Whenever the Bible mention the word "beloved" it is always referring to the Believers. You need to correctly divide this, else you won't understand the Book of Hebrews in context.

In the chapter 6 verse 9, in the King James, it begins by saying But Beloved.........The word "But" means that, there is a contrast between Believers of Christ and those who aren't. I want you to stop for 10 seconds and this about this "But".

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Hebrews 6:9: But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.


What Paul meant is that, concerning the believers...........there is better things that concerns Salvation. So in contrast, who are the Non Believers that don't have the better promised as Believers do today, that Paul was referring to? The Answer are the Hebrews who rejected Christ as the Messiah. The Book of Hebrews is after all a Book written to the Hebrews. For them, It's impossible to be brought back to repentance. This is the context in meaning of Hebrews 6:4.

People always get afraid and confused whenever preachers use this passage of scripture to apply to everyone even Christians. By misquoting this, they threatened Christians with fear mongering, that Salvation is not assured ( Hebrews 6:4. - impossible to be brought back to repentance). That is not dividing God's word correctly. Let deal this passage, word by word in detail. I pray and hope this misconception will be removed and laid to rest once and for all.

Hebrews 6 (KJV) -1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 6 verse 1 to 4 talks about, let us move on away from the very basic level, elementary, the ABC, the kindergarten level. What is it referring to? The Answer is, the Laws of Moses. UW, what's your prove of saying this? In chapter 5, the chapter before this, talks about Sin Sacrifices. That is the Law of Moses of the 10 commandments. God is saying, lets move up to the next level, maturity. Don't keep yourself stuck on the very basic level which is the Law. It is pointless for Paul to preach to the Hebrews about the Law when they already knew the Law since young by heart. In Fact Paul was persuading them to move away from that. So it's redundant to say that the "better thing" is referring to Holiness/Sanctification by obedience to the law. If you think that the Law are the deeper stuff that Christian should work their life on, here the word of God very much disagree, in fact God calls you a baby if you insist on holding on to it.

"Doctrines of Baptism" refers to Judaism doctrine of washing of the water (cleansing rites). They believe they have to wash everything, even utensils to sanctify for holy usage. They have to wash their hands, feet, they need immerge in water, put on new clothes before entering the Temple to meet God.

Laying on of Hands, The resurrection of the Dead and eternal Judgement, all these, are also what Judaism believes in.

Hebrews 6 verse 5 to 6, Then what about the part where it says those who have tasted the heavenly gift, who made partakers of the Holy Ghost and tasted the Good word of God? Surely it must be referring to Christians and not the Jews.

Tasted the heavenly Gifts and the word of God means they have sampled the Working of God's kingdom, but does it mean that because of that, the person is saved? The Answer is no. Taste compared to Drinking and Eating are 2 different things. (John 6:53)

Then what about partakers of Holy Spirit? Surely Nobody can do any miracles unless they have the HS in them.

Are you sure?

Judas was among the 12 disciples and He was also among those who could cast out demons. The thing is, None of them had the HS in them. The Power of the HS was on them but not in them. Even back in the OT, Elisha, Elijah all demonstrated the power of God's Spirit but the HS was not in them.

No dear Friends, all in all, Hebrews 6:1-6 was written referring to the Jewish people and not Christians. For them to reject Christ, after knowing all these (Judas a very good example), have been enlightened to know that Christ is the messiah, have tasted heavenly gifts (have seen the works of Christ, the healing, etc), made partaker (in partner) of the Holy Spirit, (referring to the prophets, disciples who done miracles on God's behalf), tasted the good word of God (to see the manifestation from the preaching of God's word,Feeding of the 5000 [example])... for them to still reject Christ despite knowing and tasted all these and rather go back to Temple Sacrifices, To The Old Covenant, saying I don't need Christ even though I've seen it....For them it's impossible to be brought to repentance.

Why?

Because there is no.....more.....Sacrifice left. The work of Christ is the only Sacrifice valid in the eyes of God and the available Grace that gives us Salvation.

Amen? Always see yourself as the beloved in Christ. When the Bible mention beloved, it's God talking to you. God Bless.

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post Jul 28 2015, 10:38 AM

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Beholding

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2 Corinthians 3:18(NIV) - And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.


Someone I know, asked me recently. I did something wrong. I don't know why I did it. I felt guilty before God.
Deep down inside, I guess there is a cry, How do I stop falling short of God's expectation as Christians?

We all want to live Godly lives, exhibiting right living with the fruits of the Holy Spirit so that when people see our actions, they can say you're different from the world and God gets the Glory.

I believe we need to understand foundational principals before proceeding from here. It will help us to be strongly rooted everytime the storm comes.

First let us established that we are literally made righteous by Faith in Christ, understanding Christ's work qualifies you, not your works or effort.
Next we need to understand, That if we put ourselves under the Law of the OT, whether consciously or subconsciously, just like the law of gravity, it will drive us to sin.
With that being said, we need to consciously be established under the covenant of God's Grace, why? Because only under the soil of Grace, Sin loses it's grip and hold. (Romans 6:14)
Did you hear that?

Do you understand this foundation principals? Please take time to digest before moving on to read because these foundation are very important to remember.

Now, with that being said, knowing all these is not enough. What then? Do I pray everyday to be changed?
How come I've prayed tons of prayer and I'm still not changed? I still exhibit part of my old self. I still get angry, I raged, I this and that.

Transformation involves our part and God's part. Predominantly God is the one who does the changing. Only He has that power. In of ourselves, we cannot.
So what is our part?

Here is it is.

Bible says that we are transformed by the renewing of our mind. (Romans 12:2) Renewing of mind means, change in thought. In the Greek, metanoya which is repentance.
This is where everything starts. You do this right, the result will be right.

Traditionally, some preacher teaches that repentance is changing our wrong act to righteous act by feeling remorseful over sin. The more remorse you are, the more truer your repentance. No wonder many Christians are not transformed because that is not what the Bible teaches. That sort of repentance I will go as far to say, is the teaching of Man, not God.

So what do we change our mind with? What is there to change?

2 Corinthians 3:18 says it like this - And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

What it means is that when we contemplate (our thoughts) on the Lord's Glory, we are transformed into God's image. We will exhibit God's character, which are all the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Only in God, there is power to change, there is hope. But UW, what is the Lord's Glory?

In the Greek, The word Glory is doxa, the very first definition means; opinion (always good). The rest of the definition followed by: praise, honor, glory divine quality of God.
The very first definition is the key. What's my basis for saying this? Acts 20:21 (KJV) - Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:21 is the basis for this definition. Repentance (Change of mind) Toward God, meaning for God, not against God.In simple words, have a good opinion of God.

Contemplate on our Lord Jesus Christ's Glory for example: When Peter was motion to come by our Lord Jesus Christ, He walked on the water. I believe his eyes was on the Lord Jesus Christ, He was momentarily transformed into the same image, exhibiting the supernatural. But when Peter look at the boisterous winds, His eye no longer on our Lord Jesus, he sank. There is a lesson in that story.

This is our every battle. Instead of focusing on our failures, or how much wrong you have committed thus far, contemplate on our Lord's Glory. Fight this everyday against every other thoughts even in the midst of your failures. I'll close this devotion with this last verse.

2 Corinthians 3:17 (NIV) - Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

We are are being transformed into his image by beholding the Lord's Glory.

God Bless.

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post Jul 29 2015, 12:07 PM

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Why did Jesus gave the Law?

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Matthew 5:17(NIV) -“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.


Matthew 5

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Some Christians and even Moslems for that matter love to quote this verse above and say; "See? Jesus says you must obey the Law, He's upholding back the the Old Covenant Laws of God as a measure of justification for Righteousness." And people say, you must follow what Jesus does or say. (WWJD)

Both statements are correct, only that you didn't understand why Jesus said that.

Jesus also said that if you look in lust towards someone in your mind, it's better for you to pluck out your eyes than burn in Hell. Secretly in your heart, you'll start to fall back thinking,"Oh God is just saying that to show how serious it is, But seriously, I don't think I will pluck out my eyes, God is graceful" I need my eyes for my studies, for my work, to help my parent, etc. Well? have you obeyed Jesus to the letter to have plucked your eye? Chop off your hands or your feet? Why only confess with your mouth "We must obey" but you did not execute this in reality?

This the problem with Man's way of thinking. We want everything to our preference. We say one thing to squash others out of self righteousness but back off when the Gun is pointed back at you.

Dear Friends, read carefully what Jesus really said in the entire context, for whom and why. I appeal to your spiritual judgement to think in Wisdom patiently rather than do a sweeping generalization by reading it at face value.

Jesus says: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus came to Fulfilled the Laws of God. Full stop. Jesus can and did. What about you?

Even the best of the OT, King David, God entitled Him a Man after his own heart, failed (Lusted with Beersheba, Murdered the husband, etc). Abraham God calls Him a Friend of God (what a titled) Failed (Lied Twice to save his own life). An older Christian brother once argued with me saying that it's the hypocrisy of the pharisee that we must not follow, then when we obey the 10 commandment, our righteousness will surpass the pharisees. But there is a problem with that statement. Has anyone been able to?

People tell me, that God is merciful and graceful, sure nobody is perfect, we may sin here and there but If we keep trying to uphold the law, we can sin less with the help of the Holy Spirit and based on God's Grace as how you (UW) teached, sure we have hope. The problem with this doctrine of "who sin less have more hope of entering heaven" is not found in the Bible. Did you just hear what I have just said? I find that many Christians are in denial of this. They pretend not to accept this or know this in detail. God does not differentiate the degree, who sin less or who sin more.

James magnified this even better: For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. That is God's Standard, Dear Friends. You Either Sin or you Don't. There is no such thing as those who sin less God is more happy or favourable to give him the Grace of Salvation compared to those who sin mored as Christians. No SUCH Doctrine!

NO! Read what Jesus said carefully.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said: CERTAINLY NOT! The word Certainly not in the Greek is Ou mē which means NEVER EVER! It's a double assurance of NEVER!

Wow, Jesus was sure very serious with this statement, wasn't he? My answer is Yes. If you study the Bible, you'll notice a pattern. Jesus also said other interesting things;

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

"Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Jesus was really raising the Standard of the Bar Here, wasn't he?

Has anyone gave up all He has and followed Jesus? Gave up every RM in his bank account. But UW, surely this is a figure of speech, wasn't it? Jesus can't be serious right? I mean how am I going to eat my lunch then? What Am I going to wear then? I'll tell you go by Faith then, God will provide wat. Matthew 5:25-34 promised that wat. Well? Have you done it? Those who shout so much about "We must uphold the Law" Have you obeyed this to the letter?

If you're unable to do any of those perfectly, just admit it in all honesty. Because this is the reason why Jesus gave the law. He wants us to come to the end of ourselves and say this

Matthew 19:25 - When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

The answer is here

Matthew 19:26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

The Answer is "ONLY God" None of you.

God Bless.

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post Jul 29 2015, 04:38 PM

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Dear Christian Brothers/Sis.

Don't throw your pearls. biggrin.gif



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post Jul 29 2015, 10:17 PM

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Don't understand why you go and tag a Buddhist?

It's not like he's going to believe Bible prophecy or there's this thing going on between you and him? laugh.gif
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post Jul 30 2015, 09:34 AM

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Why did Jesus gave the Law? Part 2

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Matthew 7:21(NIV) -"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."


This portion of scripture above is another favourite "misquoted out of context" by christians who belong to the older brother of the prodigal son.
Who is the older brother of the prodigal son?

If you read the Prodigal Son story, you'll find that He is the one who don't likes it when the Father throws a party to celebrate his lost son return. They want everything to be dead serious with God. If possible, jealously separating God on a high pedestal trying to stand in the way of God's children whom may have not been as obedient as he has.

Luke 15:29 (NIV) - But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.

Look at the scorn. Some Christians are like that.

This older brother has an erroneous perception of who God is. Look at the way He responds to a loving Father in Luke 15:29. He does not have a "Doxa" Perception of the Father. Doxa is the Greek word for Glory and in my last devotion, I've showed you, the very first definition of Glory is Having a Good Opinion of God.

This older brother thinks that God wants him to have a slave or servant mentality. In other word, it's a form of self righteousness trying to earn a place before God.
But UW, how can you say that? When you have a Slave/Servant mentality before God, in other words, you are trying to please God by your performance.

A servant is like that. A Son inherits effortlessly. I believe when this older brother spoke in such a manner, the father was hurt in the heart because this son did not have a good opinion of God.
He see Him as someone separated that needs to be appeased.

And there are many christians like that today. They'll use scripture like above (Matthew 7:21) trying to separate many prodigal sons from coming close to God. Do you know why? Because they themselves feels separated from God. I believe, all that I have learned is not for me to be kept inside but to be shared to help draw every sinners, the lost, the lame, the gays, the ungodly, etc near to God.

This message is for you if you are confuse to the revelation of difficult bible verse. Today I will debunk this and lay it to rest once and for all.

Read the Text carefully.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

When Jesus spoke this at the mount of beatitude, I believe many Jews was present. You must understand that when Christ spoke, some of the word was meant for the Jews who are steep in Judaism. God's word is not bound by time. It was for the crowd back then and also for certain crowd Today. Why did Christ gave this "condition", Not everyone who calls him Lord Lord will be saved? If you look at the following verse, " ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

All these speaks of the work of the kingdom. But is that the condition to enter Heaven? Oh you didn't hear me. You who shouts so loud wanting to uphold the Law so much,

Is that the condition to enter Heaven?

Lord Have I not done this for you? They are counting on a form of self righteousness just like the older brother of the prodigal son. I have done this for you therefore I qualify.
What was Jesus answer?

I never knew you. Why?

The answer is this. "only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter Heaven". Before you think that the word "does the will of the Father" means upholding the Law, think again. The right question to ask is; what is the will of the Father?

Answer is here:

John 6:40 (NIV): For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Again this points back to Grace (Jesus Christ) and not the Law. smile.gif

Hallelujah! rclxm9.gif

God Bless.

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QUOTE(loud @ Jul 30 2015, 02:50 PM)
Hi bro, me today very free so want to give you some feedback...
Depends on which verses you read...
slave mentality is still stressed;
1 peter 2
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

Specifically, it is the civil and ceremonial laws that have been overwrite by grace whereas the moral law should be reinforced;
Galatians 5:13-14
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”


Matthew 7 further reads;
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

It says "practice"...

And here is the second half of God's will;
1 Thessalonians 4:3-7
3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister.[cool.gif The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 12:14
14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

Hence in conclusion, depends on which verses you read, Christian salvation can be as hard as other religion.
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Wsup Loud,

1 Peter 2 is talking about submitting to the Governing authority in the context of living as good citizens, not to break the law of the country. Nothing to do with Slave Mentality.

IN Fact Romans 8:15 debunks the notion that God wants us to have a slave mentality at all.
Romans 8:15 (NIV) - The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

In the New Testament, when scripture mentions Law is talks about the entire law as a whole not just ceremonial laws.

For example.

In 2 Corinthians 3:7, God calls the 10 commandments a ministry of death, not life. Why is that?

2 Corinthians 3:7 (NIV)
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

This means that, the more you try to reinforced the 10 commandments, the more you give strength (the tendency) to sin.

1 Corinthians 15:56 INIV)
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

Only Grace is the Solution to the abundant Life that Christ promised. Not the Law.

All the scripture above that you quoted are based on the principle that because you are already made righteous by Christ's work, then Live your Holy Life, not the other way round. You don't try to perform Holiness to be Holy. This is not what the Bible teaches.

No, Read the Bible carefully, God's Salvation is made easy by God. If anything I dare say, it's the thinking of Man that's trying to make it hard. Besides if what you say is true, it defeats the purpose that Christ need to come at all. If Christianity is the same as any other religion, First Christ need not come and To make it hard God just had to reinstate the Old Covenant and pit the OT Law against us.

Here is the evidence of scripture that God abolished the OT Law


Hebrews 10:9 All in 5 translations

New International Version
Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.

New Living Translation
Then he said, "Look, I have come to do your will." He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect.

English Standard Version
then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.

New American Standard Bible
then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL." He takes away the first in order to establish the second.

King James Bible
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Now with all that being said, before it is mentioned, I might as well blurt it out. Am I teaching believers to a licentious lifestyle? To sin as they please? HA! I'm preaching the same Gospel that Paul preaches because the same accusation was levelled against Him as well as to me, in these verses below.


Romans 6:1 (NIV) - What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

Romans 6:15 (NIV) - What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

Hence the meaning of antinomianism, as in my siggy. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(loud @ Jul 30 2015, 04:02 PM)
That is why i think the bible is so messed up. Read Matthew 5 and you got a different kind of revelation...
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Perhaps Romans 7 makes it a bit clearer
9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.


Imo, it is supposed to be an illustration that the law served to make the sin more transparent to human so as the effort of eradicating it might be more productive.

I'm not arguing that Christian shall go back to old law, but i don't see it is accurate to equate the new covenant to antinomianism.
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That is why I'm doing a series on this.

If you followed my previous devotions, it addresses the messines to be understood easily.

Erm, no we can't eradicate Sin by whatever effort. Only Christ can. The purpose of the Law is to bring Man to come to the end of himself and give up trying so that he completely turn to Christ to be saved.

When I say completely I really mean literally.

There's no half half. <---I can tell you while even saying this, people will still not get it. There's this veil of blindness that the devil do not want Christians to fully understand the depth of God's Grace which is so powerful..anyway, The focus is now on Christ, no more on the Law, that is the end objective. The Law must be removed completely from Christian life for the work of the HS to take place.

No, what i meant about Antinomianism is the misunderstanding that people have about the Grace that Christ came to give. They think that grace will cause people to live a licentious lifestyle. That is not what the Bible teaches but the opposite. Grace teaches people to live right.

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QUOTE(loud @ Jul 30 2015, 09:34 PM)
Even if one is free from the law and live under grace, continuous effort is still needed. As written in Romans 6:17-18, one becomes slave to righteousness.
And if you really mean give up self-effort completely and allow the HS to work in you by faith, how is this practical?
What is known by one to be right or wrong still depends on one’s own cognitive capability.

Question 1 For each righteous values a believers portrays, how to differentiate whether actually it comes from of HS or oneself?

Question 2 If HS is really in a believer, the person’s character shall be perfectly righteous and fearless as they represent Christ. But why it does not appear so in the real world nor even in the bible?
… during the night Jesus got caught many close disciples ran away like chicken,
…after the resurrection when Jesus appeared to them, they were frightened and doubt
...many modern Christians debaters and pastors got challenged to drink deadly poison but none of them dare
How are this examples agree with 2 Timothy 1:7?
7 For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.
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Under the new covenant, the word righteousness always refer to Christ's Righteousness, not yours.
God credit it to you because of your Faith.

So when the Bible mentioned to be a slave of righteousness, it means that to understand you are to subject yourself to understand it is God who made you righteous in Christ 24/7, striving in that, having that repented mind thought (you are already righteous by faith) will lead your subsequent actions to holiness. You don't even have to be conscious to work it out because as a Man thinketh, so is he.

Our only effort or striving which the Bible allows us to strive to rest in God that Salvation has been settled for you once and for all. In there you keep resting. It will be fight because the devil doesn't want you to be assured, he wants you shaken easily in there.

When it come to what is right or wrong, the most practical thing that will help to know what is right to wrong is to just walk in love. When you walk in love, you don't need the Laws of God to govern you. God has design this in such a way, it becomes natural. Read Galatians 5:23.

Question 1 - You have a wrong understanding of righteousness. Your righteousness has no value in the eyes of God. The only righteousness that has value are the work of Christ at the cross, the only one, legal before the eyes of a righteous God, one He readily accepts because Christ is without Sin, His Sacrifice is perfect atonement for all of you. When you put your Faith in Christ, God literally credit Christ's righteousness unto you, You are MADE (literally) righteous in Christ. Whatever righteous deed you perform is for the justification before Man to praise God. The more you do it, for Man to gauge your life, that you walk the talk. And God does rewards you for all your righteous deed, all your effort, your works for the Kingdom of God, not to justify you to enter Heaven.


Question 2 - And continuing to explain the definition of righteousness. This Righteousness that God imparts to you due to your Faith is a status. Not because you do righteous acts. Your position before God is a state of being. Your Position is righteous but your acts have yet to match up. So it takes time to grow.

That is why the Bible says it like this in;

Romans 12:2 (NIV) - Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

The Christian life is a journey. smile.gif

It takes time for your mind and spirit to conform to God's word because all the while you live by system of the world. Your mindset have to change and believe God's opinion of you (that you are righteous in Christ 24/7) before you start to exhibit God's Value.

Hope that helps to answer your questions.
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 31 2015, 12:02 AM)
A German who can speak German( rolleyes.gif ), Malay, Japanese, Mandarin, English & no doubt a smattering of French & Italian too  rclxms.gif

u a spy or something?  hmm.gif

Knowing what i know now, if i was given a choice, i would have picked up Hebrew & Greek if i was young again  sad.gif

Anyway, to answer your question, no, we don't celebrate these Jewish feasts.

However, both the Gentiles & Jews play a crucial part in the Saviour's salvation plan.

If u read up on Daniel's 70th week, there's stil 1 wk left to run. A week is 7 years in Biblical terms.

Something happened at the end of the 69th week.

God's love affair with the apple of his eye, Israel is currently on 'pause' at the moment.

We are currently living in the church age. Once this dispensation ends with the ἁρπάζωharpazo  , God will resume his love affair with His chosen people.

While at the same time, God will deal with the unbelieving world. It's called the time of Jacob's trouble.

I'm not posting for fun, there COULD be something in it for us. Wait for my subsequent posts.


"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." -  Luke 21:28


"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." - Mark 13:37
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So you're predicting Christ's return because of all these observations? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(loud @ Jul 31 2015, 02:10 PM)
Yes, it is not necessary about physical activity but more important is to introduce new mental habits because a person can do good deeds with an ill intention in his mind...we can agree on this part but most of what you wrote somehow contradict even your own doctrine. According to the bible, faith does not spontaneously leads to holiness, it requires mutual support by conscious effort in holding up moral values.

Reanalysing Hebrews 12
It says 14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

It does not say "make every effort to rest in God so that holiness will manifest naturally"
Your previous post say we need grace to live right but now you say we don't need God's intervention about it.
I just red Galatians 3:24 and it say the law is a Guardian pulak... ohmy.gif

But in practical sense i agree with you we don't necessary need the HS or law because our nature is capable of loving. The only thing that is distorting it is our self-delusion aka ego/conceit and there are many sensible ways of purifying the mental state without having to invoke a personal God.
I'm not sure if there is any verse that specifically stated that credited righteousness refers to a special position/status.
Even if so, it is still mutually related to one's mental state since you claim that one's character will be altered to match it. However, this argument also exposed its downside. There are also verses that indicates the failure of the mind to keep up with God's extra will can somehow jeopardize those position/status. For example, Cain did believed and worship God but his was rejected on the basis of failing to please God. This again shows that faith alone does not naturally or necessary leads to other fulfillment.
Therefore other instructions are made clear;
1 john 3
10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother[c] abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.


If go by your premise, Cain shall be equally righteous as Abel since they both believe and worship God therefore God credited righteousness to them??
I don't think there is any reason to say grace is not available before the new covenant because Abraham, Noah, Moses and many other believers did received it...
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Wait a minute, you're arguing with me as a Christian or non-believer pov?

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QUOTE(loud @ Jul 31 2015, 02:44 PM)
Arguing appropriately according to circumstances.
Please cite the specific part of my post that you feel confusing... as some parts are mere personal opinions of practicality.
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You're not answering me, you're arguing me from a Non Believer's POV or you're a Christian yourself?
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QUOTE(loud @ Jul 31 2015, 02:50 PM)
I'm an atheist learning the bible icon_rolleyes.gif ...i thought you can recognize me.
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No worries, just need to find out to appropriate the answer.

The reason being, when you're not a believer, the word of God is an offence to your spirit due to your fallen nature.

Okay, give me a bit of time, middle of working and trying to reply you.


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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 31 2015, 04:28 PM)
Sorry to interrupt your debate with a prayer request.

This time it's for me.
I've had issues for a while, but I didn't want to trouble anyone. Pride, that I can take care of it myself I guess.

But I had a very disturbing nightmare. Asking for details is difficult since nightmares tend to get pretty vague once you wake up.

It has something to do with my personal feelings. My lack of value.
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Lack of value before who? yourself? God?
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 31 2015, 08:45 PM)
Mana boleh say God no value tongue.gif

Of course it's myself.
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no I mean you feel you have no value before God or you judge yourself to have no value in the dream?


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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 31 2015, 08:53 PM)
Both? Dreams are mostly subconsious anyway.

It's the feeling of, well, why am I even alive? Every day, some form of physical pain. Despite efforts to stay healthy, still pain

Ada period pain, no period also pain. Every day has a pain of some kind...

I can't do anything, nor I can be anything other than pain.
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You have physical ailment?

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