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post May 29 2015, 09:58 PM, updated 11y ago

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Okay so here's the whole story.

This guy is an Indian student that's been trading for five years now.

He is 17 this year.

He opened a company called EmpireFX which I never heard of it before.

This company is about forex trading one.

He told me that :

-His company under dcw (DCW) Prestige
-His company got New Zealand license for FX
-Minimum investment is 1000 USD
-Not guaranteed profit
-Uses MT4 (wth is this) to trade


Because he's introduced to me through a good friend of mine,

so he's offering me to only invest RM500 in this .

The balance of RM3.3k will be paid back once my account starts to generate profits (if possible) .

The profits generated by my account will be split 50:50 .

Once I managed to pay back the balance of 3.3k, he'll not split anymore the profits.

The catch :
-I must pay him the RM500 by Sunday.
-I cannot touch the MT4 account before I"m good with it.
-Google search shows nothing about this (0r maybe I sucked at searching).


Sifu-sifu sekalian out there , please shed some light !
I dw to waste RM500 because I'm still a student and RM500 means a lot to me ! sad.gif


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Update #1 : https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=74673588

This post has been edited by Y.J.S: Jun 1 2015, 12:47 PM
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post May 29 2015, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ May 29 2015, 10:07 PM)
No, don't waste a cent.

MT4 is a Forex trading platform. If you don't know what it is, and he hasn't given you any more  information, you are guaranteed to lose money.

Save your RM500, and you need to pay me only RM5 for that advice. (just joking).
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Can you explain more for the bold part?

He said he's a good trader wor

Some more himself will also deposit RM3.3k inside my account (because min amount to open acc is 1000 usd = 3.8k) so if lose money how I repay money back to him ??
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post May 29 2015, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(seiluen @ May 29 2015, 10:20 PM)
he start trade from 12 years old ?
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5 years so must be from 13 because including his 5th year mah

Btw he told me his company , EmpireFX just opened 4 months ago under dcw prestige.

He previously worked in isc (wth is this)
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post May 29 2015, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ May 29 2015, 10:24 PM)
In MT4, he can give you access to an "investor" account where you view-only his trading activities, live, as it happens.

If you see him consistently making money with a real account, you may decide to invest then.

So ask him for an investor username/password and see for yourself.
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But what if he gives me an investor username/password that doesn't belong to him ??

Anyway to verify ?
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post May 29 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ May 29 2015, 10:30 PM)
Doesn't matter.

Let's say he gave you a username/password that doesn't belong to him, BUT you see the profitable trades being done (by someone unknown), you can copy the same trade using your own account.

But don't worry, if someone actually has access to a profitable system, they would be too busy making money instead of wasting time trying to sell you something.
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Yeah something is suspicious.

At first he said RM1800 is okay, the balance RM2000 he can pay for me.

But the condition is I have to clear the sum of RM1800 by Sunday.

Then I said I have no money nor impossible to acquire RM1800 by Sunday because my cash left RM500 only.

Then he said ok again RM500 no problem but have to pay by Sunday .

And as for the trading pattern, I don't know anything about Forex and I don't know how to use MT4.

Can you gimme an easy way to login investor account if there is any ?

Thank you !
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post May 29 2015, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ May 29 2015, 10:38 PM)
Don't put money into what you don't understand.

To invest, first you must understand what you are investing in. There are no short-cuts.

My advice is focus on your studies.
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You don't understand ...

My school fees cost a bomb and my parents are getting angrier at me for spending so much ...
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post May 30 2015, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(KeroroQ @ May 29 2015, 11:35 PM)
Then don't cost them more, Forex is not a get rich quick method,
and Rule.2 Don't ever use money you CAN'T afford to lose,
Empire FX or FX Empire? Both different sequence but big difference,
ask him show you his so called website, is he desperate for your funds?
Keep pestering you to deposit? Stay away then, But I cannot make assumptions,
maybe he's a 17 year old forex genius, ask him to provide verified track record laugh.gif
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I know EmpireFX and FX Empire are both very different things.
His is EmpireFX which I never heard of and probably he doesn't even have a website sweat.gif

QUOTE(KeroroQ @ May 29 2015, 11:43 PM)
Here's the fkin obvious big catch, I can tell you I'm a fkin good trader too,
and I say hey let me top up funds so you can earn money! laugh.gif
ask yourself:
1) Why would someone wanna help me earn money instead of earning it himself?
2) He trades and he loses money and you need to be a freaking scape-goat to pay for his so called pro trading losses!?
3) How you know he's a good trader when you yourself don't know what trading is?

sorry for double posting anyway, save the 500, invest in yourself,
study more, learn more and good luck laugh.gif
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But why he needs only RM500 for me ? hmm.gif strange

QUOTE(carrer @ May 30 2015, 02:29 AM)
Get a detailed statement from his MT4. Then show it here, I will tell you if it is a risky investment.

Some investors will give, some don't. Assuming that he doesn't want to give, you ask him these 3 things:
1. How many percentage could he make a month.
2. How many percentage is his maximal drawdown.
3. Briefly describe his strategy.

Forex is a very high risk investment. Be careful.
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Alright , will ask wink.gif

Btw how do I know if he really opened an account for me in MT4 that has 1000 USD in it ?

QUOTE(BabyZebraCrossing @ May 30 2015, 02:30 AM)
A good forex trader can make rm500 in no time. He can just wait for a week and get himself the rm500 by trading, so why even need you?
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Yeah why ??
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post May 30 2015, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 30 2015, 09:24 AM)
If you want a ponzi scheme that need rm50 to start, I can introduce you.
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Sure or not ?? brows.gif

On your previous post you already mocking my stupidity ler
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post May 30 2015, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 30 2015, 09:32 AM)
I never mock you, it is the dirty fact that youngsters like you sure will deny.
Ponzi schemes in this world are developed to cheat money from low income earners till high income earners.
When a website can't find anything, it is already known to be scam. But yet just because your intention still want to make fast money, that's why you are trying look for people to support your move.
Already got few people warn you on this with the soft way but yet you refuse to understand them. So I'll just be the "bad" guy to wake you up.
Under such ponzi scheme, nobody is mocking up your stupidity, is you your self that mocking your self up.
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Ok ok so any reputable schemes that come with a website?

QUOTE(IccyAsd @ May 30 2015, 09:35 AM)
Sorry to say Forex isn't a kids game (you sure its not his dad's account?), if his good at it where is his potential customer & testimony? And for you please continue your study & stop thinking of earning quick money from all this, you can work part time at night if you are willing.
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A lot of my friends told me he brought his laptop to school to show off how he makes money off MT4 .

That's why it is quite persuasive but maybe he's just being lucky, idk rclxub.gif

QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 30 2015, 09:46 AM)
Hi bro,

The rule is the higher the returns, the higher the risk. I know of one personally that by depositing in RM1000, you will get RM100 back the next month. So assuming no loss, you make 120% in a year. Sounds good eh? But let me tell you. Instead of you earning RM100, you can just lose RM1000 just like that. No refunds nothing. And that one my friend admit is a scam. But he knows when to pull out and when to dive in. He lost almost 90% before.

That's why if I were you, I will stick to the safe ones. FD, ASX, Reits. Their returns maybe small but returns is still returns. Golden rule is SAVE If you like to buy new phones every year, hanging out in pub/club/karaoke/frequent mamak/frquent movies, you need to cut back and start saving. Let your friends do that. In the end, you will have the last laugh as you have more money than them.
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What's the min amount for Fixed Deposit?

Edit : I think I should save another RM500 for this : https://ringgitplus.com/en/fixed-deposit/Ma...ed-Deposit.html

This post has been edited by Y.J.S: May 30 2015, 09:54 AM
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post May 30 2015, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 30 2015, 10:00 AM)
As what some people said, concentrate on your studies.
Playing with forex need a lot of time, it won' do any good for you.
I have a friend that open his account by his own and he is making rm30-40k a month. But when he lose money, the amount are not small also. Yet, he is still a millionaire.
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So ... is majoring in Econ/Finance best choice to enter into trading world?


QUOTE(IccyAsd @ May 30 2015, 10:01 AM)
Luck does not play apart in Forex, he brings laptop to school what is there to show during that time of the day? trade only starts around midnight our time.
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Yeah no idea rclxub.gif

They said he brought 1 day then another day came back with profits (something like that)
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post May 30 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 30 2015, 10:03 AM)
Just look at Lowyat FD threads. Good info. Also if you have time, read Gen-x's blog from the first post. If you have a speciific skill, you can work on the go. Eg designing, writing. I have a friend who earns in USD just by working part time. She found jobs online. She saves every sen of it to buy a house. Still far but at least I think she can afford 5% of the house already.
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I saw a lot terms about 3 months 12 months to get a certain percentage of returns.

What does the "months" means ?

Is it I have to deposit for say RM1000 for 3 months straight (=RM3000) to get the returns ?
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post May 30 2015, 11:06 AM

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some screenshots


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post May 30 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(carrer @ May 30 2015, 10:50 AM)
Usually these "money managers" have 2 approaches in managing investors money.
1. They pool all the money and place it in one account.
2. They separate the accounts for each investor.

Since he didn't ask you to set up an account under your own name, I am assuming that he is putting the investors' money into one account (under his name/ his company's name). If this is the case, it is difficult for you to know if your money is injected into the account even if he shows you the account. If he has 5 million in the account, how will you know if your 500 is in there? Not possible.
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Anyway sir he replied me saying that I should create an account in MT4 under my name.

But then he'll trade for me and show me some techniques before I get to trade by myself.

So if the account is mine, am I able to monitor the process and know how much is it in there right ?


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post May 30 2015, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(10996455 @ May 30 2015, 11:16 AM)
He want to join ponzi or he don't undertsnad ppl peli him XD .
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Awww so mean hmm.gif
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post May 30 2015, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(10996455 @ May 30 2015, 11:18 AM)
If this is my kid I disowned him , period.
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Don't la, be patient you know wink.gif

save one life can prevent from entering hell
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QUOTE(carrer @ May 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
That's good because he cannot withdraw your money. But he can definitely lose all your money. Judging from the way he talks (from the screenshot), I doubt his professionalism. Just my thoughts, he might be a genuine one.

Check this link:
http://thefxview.com/2013/08/05/difference...-pamm-accounts/

I personally will not invest until he shows me his myfxbook account or his MT4 Detailed Statement.[I]
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The bold part is the important one , right?

I'll try to ask from him,

If he gave me ler, I show you okay?
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post May 30 2015, 12:49 PM

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Detailed Statement

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QUOTE(carrer @ May 30 2015, 01:13 PM)
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Based on this statement I cannot judge. A detailed statement has to be generated from MT4.

Looks like he is scalping (taking small profits). So, I really cannot tell you.

EDIT:

I have checked his Instagram. He probably doesn't need your money (500). If he needs your money to invest with him, something is really wrong.
He could make USD 500 in a few minutes, why would he need your 500?
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What might gone wrong?

Maybe he's just helping ?

Because as I mentioned earlier, he was introduced to me by a good friend of mine (which happened to be a gangster) , so maybe he's scared of offending me and my friend ?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 30 2015, 01:44 PM)
main point.. TS please take note.. tis is your answer  sweat.gif
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pening kepala ni rclxub.gif
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post May 30 2015, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(carrer @ May 30 2015, 01:50 PM)
If you are willing to risk your 500, then why not.
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Roger that !

QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 30 2015, 01:55 PM)
No pain no gain. If it turns out to be true, you will be richer. If it turns out to be a scam, well, you learned it the hard way. Next time you will be more careful.

Either way, "you win".  tongue.gif
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Yeah icon_rolleyes.gif

As for now, I'll study first whistling.gif

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