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Very basic question - How do you guys choose a good electric kettle? Any brands, features to recommend?
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May 28 2015, 06:22 AM, updated 11y ago
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Hi there,
Very basic question - How do you guys choose a good electric kettle? Any brands, features to recommend? Thanks. |
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May 28 2015, 07:06 AM
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I have used Sharp & Kenwood for 10 years, the same ones. But the Elbas.....2 per year.
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May 28 2015, 07:39 AM
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1. Prefer stainless steel with no plastic parts inside
2. Bigger lid opening for easy cleaning 3. Flat heating element for easy cleaning Bought a Philips model This post has been edited by idoblu: May 29 2015, 06:15 AM |
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May 28 2015, 08:00 AM
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I think sharp, ken wood, Panasonic also good. Elba is cheaper also can!
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May 28 2015, 08:05 AM
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Just to boil water? The most basic type without electronics, sure last long.
If you need some extra functions, I'll get Panasonic, rm270 at least in Senheng while other electric appliance shop I got it for rm225. |
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May 28 2015, 08:31 AM
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Depend your socket load. IF its in dependent get the higher power like 2400 watt or higher, boiling sure faster. If you socket are shared with fridge or other appliances get lower load.
For me, I use gas to boil, is cheaper |
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May 28 2015, 09:29 AM
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I have one Elba electric kettle that I have used for over two years. Slightly cheaper than other brands and no issues so far.
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May 28 2015, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 08:31 AM) Depend your socket load. IF its in dependent get the higher power like 2400 watt or higher, boiling sure faster. If you socket are shared with fridge or other appliances get lower load. Means we shouldn't share a power socket when we use it for kettle?For me, I use gas to boil, is cheaper |
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May 28 2015, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(enriquelee @ May 28 2015, 10:54 AM) If all using the same copper wire to the fuse (same MCB), that mean is looping. Same row of powerpoint usually are loop. Not many will have direct. Some but I seldom see now uses Ring circuit. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 11:13 AM) If all using the same copper wire to the fuse (same MCB), that mean is looping. Same row of powerpoint usually are loop. Not many will have direct. Some but I seldom see now uses Ring circuit. If that is the case, we should treat electric kettle as aircond huh. Pull a separate line for it. |
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I'm using this Kettle + Teapot set. I usually use the kettle to boil water and sometimes when I want to make tea, I just pour the hot water from the kettle into the teapot and throw a teabag into the filter holder. Then I turn the warming function for the teapot to go. This was my partner's ideal of a kettle when we were looking for a kettle.
Saves me the trouble and keeps the tea warm when I want it. Something like a coffee maker & it's teapot set though. |
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 28 2015, 02:54 PM) I'm using this Kettle + Teapot set. I usually use the kettle to boil water and sometimes when I want to make tea, I just pour the hot water from the kettle into the teapot and throw a teabag into the filter holder. Then I turn the warming function for the teapot to go. This was my partner's ideal of a kettle when we were looking for a kettle. Be careful of water being boil many times, heard that is not good for our body.Saves me the trouble and keeps the tea warm when I want it. Something like a coffee maker & it's teapot set though. |
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Little I thought that this topic will fetch so many responses.....thanks guys!
I have always liked Breville brand and have used the kettle and toaster before when I lived in Perth as a student. Belongs to my landlord. Was thinking of getting one each for my new apartment. Anyone have experience with Breville before? |
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QUOTE(Career26 @ May 28 2015, 04:47 PM) http://www.philips.com.my/c-p/HD9316_03/vi...llection-kettle![]() This post has been edited by idoblu: May 28 2015, 05:30 PM |
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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ May 28 2015, 04:48 PM) Nope, is just having more air bags at the same cost. Since My contractor quote me looping or independent is only RM 10 difference. Why not?And furthermore, it can easily convert to 3Phases and easier to split the load. This post has been edited by weikee: May 28 2015, 05:24 PM |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 03:57 PM) If oven is operate say at 2000watt, and kettle boiling at 2000 watt, 17 Amps. I hope the MCB will trip, else wires sure problem in long run. It won't trip also, as both of the said appliance won't direct pull full current when started. Only appliance that using motor or compressor will trip when they kick starting.That's the danger when we are using heating appliance over others. |
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normal pensonic kettle also can liao. cheap and reliable. not much function. just on or off.
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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 28 2015, 05:21 PM) Thanks idoblu. Looks sleek! How much did you get this for? |
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QUOTE(Career26 @ May 28 2015, 09:28 PM) I got it at the philips warehouse sale. I forgot how much but at a substantial discountIf you look at the link, the retail price is Rm289 Lazada selling now at 268 http://www.lazada.com.my/philips-stainless...603-442759.html This post has been edited by idoblu: May 28 2015, 10:35 PM |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 28 2015, 10:31 PM) I got it at the philips warehouse sale. I forgot how much but at a substantial discount These are some appliances if not manage properly can easily increase house monthly utility bill. Imaging leaving it stay warm for 24x7 how much it take to keep in warm when the material it use are good thermal transfer (metal, stainless steel).If you look at the link, the retail price is Rm289 Lazada selling now at 268 http://www.lazada.com.my/philips-stainless...603-442759.html After I stop using the thermal pot, my tnb bill drop at lease 40+ units TNB, that only because I use termal pot for < 10 hours. |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 28 2015, 10:31 PM) I got it at the philips warehouse sale. I forgot how much but at a substantial discount Right. Looks like a similar price range for the Breville that I am considering - not decided yet though.If you look at the link, the retail price is Rm289 Lazada selling now at 268 http://www.lazada.com.my/philips-stainless...603-442759.html |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 11:49 PM) These are some appliances if not manage properly can easily increase house monthly utility bill. Imaging leaving it stay warm for 24x7 how much it take to keep in warm when the material it use are good thermal transfer (metal, stainless steel). Hi weikee, what's your take on this ?- http://www.grandevest.com/products-page/ke...w-metal-filter/After I stop using the thermal pot, my tnb bill drop at lease 40+ units TNB, that only because I use termal pot for < 10 hours. |
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QUOTE(Career26 @ May 29 2015, 12:00 AM) On what aspect? From the spec, it will boil fast, but it sure will drain at least 11Amps from the socket. Because is using 2400 Watt heating element. If you want to keep hot water for longer period of time, get a Vacuum Thermal pot, after 24 hours the water still consider hot. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 11:49 PM) These are some appliances if not manage properly can easily increase house monthly utility bill. Imaging leaving it stay warm for 24x7 how much it take to keep in warm when the material it use are good thermal transfer (metal, stainless steel). Agree, ever since my hot water dispenser gone kaput and decided to go old school (boil water using kettle) my bill dropped too.After I stop using the thermal pot, my tnb bill drop at lease 40+ units TNB, that only because I use termal pot for < 10 hours. Also, no need to buy those thousand watts, most of the time we just make enough hot water to serve the purpose, and most of the time its like 330ml to 600ml or so. with a 1.5 liter kettle, boiling that amount is equally fast. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 11:49 PM) These are some appliances if not manage properly can easily increase house monthly utility bill. Imaging leaving it stay warm for 24x7 how much it take to keep in warm when the material it use are good thermal transfer (metal, stainless steel). Ya that's why I stop using my thermo pot for 24x7. I treat it as a kettle now. Boil finish, I will off it. After I stop using the thermal pot, my tnb bill drop at lease 40+ units TNB, that only because I use termal pot for < 10 hours. |
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QUOTE(Career26 @ May 29 2015, 12:00 AM) That window is plastic! Take a look at the insideI don't care what BPA free This post has been edited by idoblu: May 29 2015, 06:05 AM |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 29 2015, 12:10 AM) On what aspect? Thx weikee. But didn't you say that your TNB bill dropped after stop using the thermal pot? Is Thermal pot and vacum thermal pot are two different stuffs?From the spec, it will boil fast, but it sure will drain at least 11Amps from the socket. Because is using 2400 Watt heating element. If you want to keep hot water for longer period of time, get a Vacuum Thermal pot, after 24 hours the water still consider hot. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 28 2015, 11:49 PM) These are some appliances if not manage properly can easily increase house monthly utility bill. Imaging leaving it stay warm for 24x7 how much it take to keep in warm when the material it use are good thermal transfer (metal, stainless steel). If you want to have hot water in the morning, you can always try Panasonic's Thermo pot. Now am using NC-EH40P that can set to various temperature. Best is you can let it stand by for 6 hours before it starts boiling water. Meaning at night before sleep you pour in water, set it to stand by and it will start to boil the water after 6 hours. It can really lower down your power usage since it is 700W(but takes 35 minutes to boil full pot of water).After I stop using the thermal pot, my tnb bill drop at lease 40+ units TNB, that only because I use termal pot for < 10 hours. |
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QUOTE(Career26 @ May 29 2015, 06:14 AM) Thx weikee. But didn't you say that your TNB bill dropped after stop using the thermal pot? Is Thermal pot and vacum thermal pot are two different stuffs? Maybe i use the wrong term, is should be called vacuum flask.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_flask |
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 29 2015, 08:34 AM) If you want to have hot water in the morning, you can always try Panasonic's Thermo pot. Now am using NC-EH40P that can set to various temperature. Best is you can let it stand by for 6 hours before it starts boiling water. Meaning at night before sleep you pour in water, set it to stand by and it will start to boil the water after 6 hours. It can really lower down your power usage since it is 700W(but takes 35 minutes to boil full pot of water). No need already, not switch to Vacuum pot, the hot water can last at least 24 hours. Enough for me to make milk for at night, and tea in the morning. Furthermore using Gas to boil are much cheaper |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 29 2015, 09:26 AM) No need already, not switch to Vacuum pot, the hot water can last at least 24 hours. Enough for me to make milk for at night, and tea in the morning. Furthermore using Gas to boil are much cheaper Yup, using gas are cheaper My thermo pot are just to boil water and off(sometimes will let it on for another 3-4 hours to make tea and coffee, since it is using charcoal element for its pot, the water feel "sweeter" |
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 29 2015, 09:26 AM) No need already, not switch to Vacuum pot, the hot water can last at least 24 hours. Enough for me to make milk for at night, and tea in the morning. Furthermore using Gas to boil are much cheaper Weikee, thanks for your input. I don't have gas hob. I have installed induction hob and I have decided to get a good Vaccum Flask/Thermos and not planning to get an electric kettle. Thanks all for the guidance. |
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Career26, a good vacuum flask would be Zojirushi. Since you've an induction cooker, a stainless steel kettle will do. Singapore sales should be now. Taka in Ngee Ann on Orchard usually have good bargains.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Jun 9 2015, 01:54 AM) Career26, a good vacuum flask would be Zojirushi. Since you've an induction cooker, a stainless steel kettle will do. Singapore sales should be now. Taka in Ngee Ann on Orchard usually have good bargains. Thank you for the recommendation...Not planing to go to S'pore yet. Any other stores in Klang Valley that I can check out? |
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Jun 9 2015, 06:03 AM) Thank you for the recommendation...Not planing to go to S'pore yet. Any other stores in Klang Valley that I can check out? Not that I know of any in KL. Live it Up in 1U only seem to carry small Zojirushi flasks in which you put in hot or cold drink and it stays that way even after a long day or even the next day. |
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I use Tefal. No problems so far.
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For long lasting heat insulation, buy only these two made in Japan flasks, Tiger or Zojirushi.
Prices of Tiger flasks in Metro jaya are cheaper than Aeon. For jug kettle, buy only the kettle with minimum water lever of 1 cup or about 250ml to 300ml. 1cup kettle with full stainless steel or full glass body is very rare, mostly available in the market are 500ml (minimum water level). The reason for min 1 cup jug kettle is that you don't waste energy to boil 2cups of water just to make 1cup of hot drink. An average 2000w kettle can boil 1cup of water in about 1min +/- ( less than 1.5sen energy cost) So, if you owns a min 1 cup jug kettle, you don't really need a hot water flask, it's more energy friendly and you boil only what you need. However, if you have a big family and hot water consumption is higher, then a thermal flask is a good complement to the jug kettle. This post has been edited by aeiou228: Jun 25 2015, 12:46 AM |
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 28 2015, 02:54 PM) I'm using this Kettle + Teapot set. I usually use the kettle to boil water and sometimes when I want to make tea, I just pour the hot water from the kettle into the teapot and throw a teabag into the filter holder. Then I turn the warming function for the teapot to go. This was my partner's ideal of a kettle when we were looking for a kettle. ---> Hey, I missed to reply to your comment. What brand of this kettle + teapot set is this that you are using? Any photos?Saves me the trouble and keeps the tea warm when I want it. Something like a coffee maker & it's teapot set though. Sounds interesting. |
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Jun 9 2015, 06:01 PM) Not that I know of any in KL. Live it Up in 1U only seem to carry small Zojirushi flasks in which you put in hot or cold drink and it stays that way even after a long day or even the next day. ---> Is this the one you were referring to: http://zojirushi.com.hk/sm-sa36-48-60-ba/ http://zojirushi.com.hk/shoplist/malaysia/ |
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It's a non brand set, Tesco home brand only. This is what I'm using at the moment. Usually I boil the water but at times when I'm craving tea, I just pour the boiled water into the teapot and put the teabag in the strainer. I guess it's about convenience only haha because this one has a warming function when you want the tea to be warm for a while. Something like a coffee maker and it's warming function I guess.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 7 2015, 11:28 AM) It's a non brand set, Tesco home brand only. This is what I'm using at the moment. Usually I boil the water but at times when I'm craving tea, I just pour the boiled water into the teapot and put the teabag in the strainer. I guess it's about convenience only haha because this one has a warming function when you want the tea to be warm for a while. Something like a coffee maker and it's warming function I guess. Ha! Picture explains well |
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No problem.
Getting a non electric kettle to boil water is more cost saving other than having a vacuum flask but it also means you need to watch the stove until the water is boiled. Other than that, whether you have a electric kettle or using non electric kettle on a electric stove to boil water, there is absolutely no difference in saving cost regarding electricity unless you happen to be using gas hob to boil water. Just my personal opinion. So I just say if you buy electric kettle to boil water then it should be fine as long as it is not thermal airport. A thermal airport can jack up your electric bill more than an electric kettle. QUOTE(Career26 @ Jul 7 2015, 02:49 PM) |
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 7 2015, 01:56 PM) No problem. Agree with you totally. Getting a non electric kettle to boil water is more cost saving other than having a vacuum flask but it also means you need to watch the stove until the water is boiled. Other than that, whether you have a electric kettle or using non electric kettle on a electric stove to boil water, there is absolutely no difference in saving cost regarding electricity unless you happen to be using gas hob to boil water. Just my personal opinion. So I just say if you buy electric kettle to boil water then it should be fine as long as it is not thermal airport. A thermal airport can jack up your electric bill more than an electric kettle. |
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 7 2015, 01:56 PM) No problem. Depending on usage, with kids is we usually boil and put in vacuum flask, this can last more than 30 hours. For tea making, and own consumption boil what required are better, because we only consume what required, furthermore tea taste better when water are really hot.Getting a non electric kettle to boil water is more cost saving other than having a vacuum flask but it also means you need to watch the stove until the water is boiled. Other than that, whether you have a electric kettle or using non electric kettle on a electric stove to boil water, there is absolutely no difference in saving cost regarding electricity unless you happen to be using gas hob to boil water. Just my personal opinion. So I just say if you buy electric kettle to boil water then it should be fine as long as it is not thermal airport. A thermal airport can jack up your electric bill more than an electric kettle. This post has been edited by weikee: Jul 7 2015, 02:22 PM |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2015, 02:22 PM) Depending on usage, with kids is we usually boil and put in vacuum flask, this can last more than 30 hours. For tea making, and own consumption boil what required are better, because we only consume what required, furthermore tea taste better when water are really hot. That's true Wei Kee - Electricity bill does make a difference if a family of 3 or more. I'm single but can expect visitors staying over at my place once or twice in two months. My mom does the same, she boils and then store in vacuum flask which does last quite long. |
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That's true. With kids around, there's always a daily need for hot water but not so for singles and married couples with no kids in tow.
Entirely dependent on how often we need hot water is also another factor. QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2015, 03:22 PM) |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 28 2015, 05:21 PM) ![]() Baru buka my kettle. Got a cool Blue light on the switch It also have a "keep warm" button/function which I wasn't aware of earlier Big mouth and hidden heating elements for easy cleaning Overall a happy purchase This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 16 2015, 08:17 AM |
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Jul 16 2015, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 16 2015, 08:16 AM) ![]() Baru buka my kettle. Got a cool Blue light on the switch It also have a "keep warm" button/function which I wasn't aware of earlier Big mouth and hidden heating elements for easy cleaning Overall a happy purchase |
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Apr 5 2019, 05:01 PM
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Apr 5 2019, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(renjioo1 @ Apr 5 2019, 05:01 PM) Highly unlikely you're going to get a reply.1. this thread was 4 years old! The kettle may not be working anymore. 2. Career26 has not been online for over a month! 3. Career26 is very inactive. Two posts in February, and before that it was May last year! I don't have that kettle, but I'm guessing that the keep warm function don't have a timer and will go on indefinitely. But it isn't a thermo pot. The thing looks to be made of metal, and has no insulation. Your electric bill is sure to go through the roof. Something like this was mentioned in the earlier pages on this thread, in 2015. |
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Apr 17 2019, 08:59 AM
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Old thread but super relevant as I was just looking at this the other day. Got mine online after looking through a couple of electric kettle review sites below (im bilingual)
https://cafeterasyteteras.com https://bestelectricwaterboilers.com |
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Sep 10 2019, 02:00 PM
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Keep your Thermo-Pot / Water Heater etc at store.
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using philips
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Mar 4 2022, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 7 2015, 01:56 PM) No problem. what thermal airport?Getting a non electric kettle to boil water is more cost saving other than having a vacuum flask but it also means you need to watch the stove until the water is boiled. Other than that, whether you have a electric kettle or using non electric kettle on a electric stove to boil water, there is absolutely no difference in saving cost regarding electricity unless you happen to be using gas hob to boil water. Just my personal opinion. So I just say if you buy electric kettle to boil water then it should be fine as long as it is not thermal airport. A thermal airport can jack up your electric bill more than an electric kettle. |
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Mar 4 2022, 03:24 PM
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using mrdiy miniature travel kettle. boil ngam ngam enough for 2 cups
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Mar 4 2022, 03:37 PM
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Mar 4 2022, 03:38 PM
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Mar 4 2022, 03:43 PM
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